GM Sells Out First Year of Electric Hummer Production (reuters.com) 115
General Motors said it has sold out the first year's worth of its hulking GMC Hummer EV electric pickup truck after a splashy video reveal on Tuesday. Reuters reports: The GMC website showed a "reservations full" banner over the Hummer EV "Edition 1," due to start production in the fall of 2021. The next version of the truck, the $99,995 Hummer EV 3X, is not scheduled to begin production until the fall of 2022. The least expensive Hummer EV, starting at $79,995, is scheduled to go into production in the spring of 2024, GM said.
The Hummer EV was designed and engineered in 18 months, GM officials said during a presentation on Wednesday. The brawny truck can "crab walk" sideways on rough terrain using its four-wheel steering system, and has a "Watts to Freedom" mode that accelerates the truck to 60 miles per hour (97 kph) in 3 seconds. The Hummer EV is in part a response to Tesla's Cybertruck, which has a very different but equally eye-grabbing design and a bevy of extreme performance features. [...] Startups Rivian, Nikola Corp and Lordstown Motors are among other companies that have electric pickups in development. Further reading: GMC Hummer EV vs. Tesla Cybertruck, Bollinger and Rivian
The Hummer EV was designed and engineered in 18 months, GM officials said during a presentation on Wednesday. The brawny truck can "crab walk" sideways on rough terrain using its four-wheel steering system, and has a "Watts to Freedom" mode that accelerates the truck to 60 miles per hour (97 kph) in 3 seconds. The Hummer EV is in part a response to Tesla's Cybertruck, which has a very different but equally eye-grabbing design and a bevy of extreme performance features. [...] Startups Rivian, Nikola Corp and Lordstown Motors are among other companies that have electric pickups in development. Further reading: GMC Hummer EV vs. Tesla Cybertruck, Bollinger and Rivian
Tesla owner here - good (Score:5, Insightful)
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What's better for the environment, A small 4 door car that runs on gas or a behemoth of a truck that runs on electricity generated from coal and natural gas?
Re:Tesla owner here - good (Score:5, Insightful)
What's better for the environment, A small 4 door car that runs on gas or a behemoth of a truck that runs on electricity generated from coal and natural gas?
False dichotomy. The truck also runs on wind and solar. Also, people who buy these would not likely buy a small car that runs on gas. They would buy a big truck that runs on diesel, or maybe one that runs on a whole lot of gas (like one with a V10.)
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What's better for the environment, A small 4 door car that runs on gas or a behemoth of a truck that runs on electricity generated from coal and natural gas?
False dichotomy. The truck also runs on wind and solar. Also, people who buy these would not likely buy a small car that runs on gas. They would buy a big truck that runs on diesel, or maybe one that runs on a whole lot of gas (like one with a V10.)
Where I live the electricity is mostly from the hydro generators in the nearby dams on the Columbia river.
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i still think that the best option is a fuel efficient car for daily driving, and an older, used truck for the occasions that need a truck. Unless you're a contractor or tradie that is regularly hauling 4'x8' sheets of plywood/drywall; or otherwise need a larger bed and/or towing capacity -- having a truck that pulls 20 mpg as a daily driver is kinda silly.
for example: used f150's are pretty effing reliable, and there are millions of them. Buying a brand new vehicle for the most part is more abo
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I fundamentally agree, and I'm angling for one of those 7-lug F250s despite the weirdness, if it turns out to be salvageable. They're sort of like a F150 SD. But then I'll get rid of my car, because I can't reasonably maintain two vehicles. I recently have moved into 4x4 country, though, and have reason to own one again.
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In many areas of the United States, the percentage of Energy that uses Coal especially have reduced. And Many states (even those Red ones) have a power grid that is supplemented by Solar, Wind, Nuclear and Hydroelectric.
If you look at Electric Cars MPGe which is an attempt to do the conversion you see that the bigger electric cars are well over 60MPGe.
Also Power Generation isn't like running your car, where it is turned off when you are not needing it, These power plants are always running, perhaps at diff
Re:Tesla owner here - good (Score:5, Funny)
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Would proto-hipster be more fitting?
(Anyone remember that from GTA5?)
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Just WTF does that mean?
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Met a professor I would describe that way in college. They advocated forced population control and sterilization as a way to combat climate change. They were serious.
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It is so fortunate that birth control turned out easy to invent and that families average 2 or fewer children when it is readily available. Otherwise we really would be hosed.
It's interesting that we are currently in a pandemic situation where human life is being valued against economic damage. A similar discussion should take place about the ramifications of population control (intentional or otherwise) versus the resulting economic damage as workers age and the working population percentage decreases. Countries in East Asia are starting to confront this problem.
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Re: Tesla owner here - good (Score:1)
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Greenneck and poser. This isn't the real hummer, but the SUV body of the H2.
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"Greenneck and poser. But I repeat myself."
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Well, you can crab walk which is kind of cool. Although not with the initial version. If I remember right, that feature comes out on the (2023?) version. The later versions are slower and shorter range - the 2024 (cheapest) version is only 250 miles for $80k, which will be comical in 2024. Not clear how charging rates will vary. The initial version charges rather slowly (I'll never understand why GM never seems to understand the importance of fast charging...). Hopefully they'll improve that in the later v
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I'll never understand why GM never seems to understand the importance of fast charging
As an owner of a Volt, I'll tell you why: It doesn't matter much.
"Must charge fast!" is coming from a gas-station paradigm where you have to stop once a week or two and fill up the car. When you own an EV/plug-in hybrid you just charge it in your driveway overnight, every night. Plugging it in becomes as routine as locking it as you walk away. So you're never traveling to a charging station for power, you're topped off every morning and don't care that it took 8 hours to charge.
"But what about road trip
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What relevance does the Volt have to do with the need to be able to charge quickly on trips? Volt is a PHEV. On long trips, you use gasoline.
PHEVs were a bridge technology regardless, for back when BEVs were crazy-expensive, short-range, and slow charging. We're already seeing a lot of government moves against them in Europe to focus on pure BEV. Turns out PHEV drivers have been using their ICE engines way more than anticipated; a lot of them were just being used as a way to exploit inc
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What relevance does the Volt have to do with the need to be able to charge quickly on trips? Volt is a PHEV. On long trips, you use gasoline
Because I never use gasoline. My commute fits within the battery range. So while there's a gas tank, I fill it about 2x a year, mostly because the gas engine has to run for a while to not have issues, and to burn the gas before it goes bad.
So I'm rather familiar with how one would use an EV.
But sure, please lecture me about how EVs are used since your ICE vehicles provide the best insight on how an EV is actually used in the real world.
Road trips are the entire point.
Damn, if only someone had listed a range of ways to deal with road tri
Re: Tesla owner here - good (Score:1)
This isn't the real hummer
What separates a "real" Hummer (i.e. Humvee) from an H2 or H3 was a fully independent suspension and gear-reduction at each hub. As any electric vehicle is virtually guaranteed not to be equipped with "live" compound axles, there's no reason this thing can't perform a more closely to the original. It isn't likely to have a foot and a half of ground clearance or be able to scale 3' concrete barriers but it'll have an even lower center of gravity and thus handle even steeper slopes.
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I wouldn't say that. It is a really expensive truck. I say it more targets the Suburban Small to Mid sized business owner. Who wants to think of themselves as a rugged Mr Nature type, but also show to the world how successful they are. While they will only drive it on paved highways, and perhaps a few dirt roads. Because they don't want to scratch up a truck that costs over 100k.
Don't get me wrong, I am not being super negative on these types of people. I myself am a Cybertruck Preorderer, and I expect t
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I have a cybertruck preorder also.
We use a crappy ford transit wagon to haul stuff for the business and have a model 3 for non hauling purposes. The Ford does a fine job of reminding us how bad ice vehicles are compared to electrics. When we get the cybertruck, we will use it for hauling stuff for the business and relearning the joy of parking big vehicles in small spots, like I did when I had an F350.
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GM does have a limited set of Electric Cars, most notably the Bolt. So unlike say Ford they at least have some experience with Electric.
However there isn't any Electric Pickup Truck out yet.
Tesla has a very limited number of Semi Trucks (I think it is only 2). And Rivian is providing delivery vans for Amazon.
But the Pickup Truck isn't expected to be out by 2021... It is kinda sad, because 2020 is really the year we really could use an electric pickup truck.
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Well, one delivery van, as of mid-October ;) They do have ambitious scaleup plans, though - hoping to produce 10k within a year. That said, they've never been good with scaleup plans in the past. Here's to hoping that changes!
Rivian also has a handful of truck prototypes. They churn out an awful lot of prototypes, actually.
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Exactly my sentiment on Rivian, the are pure vaporware for now. Plenty of slick marketing and bold claims, but until they have sold, and most importantly, registered and licensed production vehicles to the public, it’s nothing but talk. Tesla has proven it can deliver vehicles certified by the NHTSA, Rivian has proven nothing but the ability to produce prototypes and marketing materials so far.
I bet those 3 people are happy. (Score:1)
Being the only 3 to be able to purchase a first generation overpriced thing.
Artificially creating a situation where you run out of stock simply to generate headlines (free advertising!) is awful. You should be forced to disclose how many were available.
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The only Traditional Automaker that seems really interested in Electric is VW. And that is because it got really walloped with the Clean Diesel scandal, and forced to build an electric car infrastructure. So they might as well use it.
But the other Traditional Automakers are still pushing the old idea that Electric Cars are Slow, Limited Range and Expensive. So we have GM making the Hummer, While not slow, Its range is less than most Tesla, and much more expensive. Just to show that they are "Interested"
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GM already has a low-end EV, the 259-mile range Bolt hatchback. It costs $20k.
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The version they're selling for the first year is the one that costs >$100k. It's not at all intended for mass-market.
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For that statement to hold any significance... (Score:5, Insightful)
...one would need to know the number they're planning to produce, which doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere.
Re:For that statement to hold any significance... (Score:5, Funny)
"...one would need to know the number they're planning to produce, which doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere."
Doesn't matter, they sold both of them.
Re:For that statement to hold any significance... (Score:4, Insightful)
Artificial scarcity seems to work, even with still imaginary things.
I learned that from the media "industry", after they were left with no actual phyical media to sell.
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Exclusivity is a play on the tribal nature of man. It's a very profitable angle to market on.
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Now, the deposit is only $100, which is weird. It must cost GM about that much to administer the deposit plan. It's not like $100 per first-year vehicle is helping them develop the thing. So clearly it is about marketing, 100%.
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I'm pretty sure deposits usually sit in some sort of escrow account until delivery anyway, regardless of the amount.
The significance of the deposit is that it's different threshold of commitment to put money down, even if it's a refundable $100, than just filling up a form online (like in the case of Nikola where they let any schmuck who can operate a browser pre-order 20 Semi trucks and then boast about the order numbers), and I assume they can also cross check the credit card data.
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$100 is how much a Cybertruck reservation costs. So they're probably just matching the "industry" going rate.
Nikola (Score:5, Insightful)
"...startups ... Nikola..." You might try reading the news more often. Nikola is dead. They videod a truck going downhill, said they wouldn't product a pickup truck, GM walked away from investing, and their shares dropped so much because NOBODY wants to invest.
No, Nikola is not a startup competing with GM. They're a failed fundraising scheme.
Too many links to post. Slashdot, ArsTechnica, Popular Mechanics, CNN, etc. These mice have eaten the cheese and nobody wants to buy them more cheese. There won't be a "Nikola" anything in production ever.
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I think GM is considering Tesla a Startup as well. In some ways they are correct, as they are still having issues with growth and quality. In other issues such as the fact the company is valued much more than GM.
So fucking what? (Score:2, Insightful)
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700k people on the planet being able to do that, is probably still an overstatement
A lot of money out there (Score:5, Informative)
I don't live in a particularly wealthy or fashionable Small City, but I see plenty of $70k cars on the road that could easily sticker out at $100k with options. I don't know where the money to buy or even lease those is coming from but there are a lot more than your reasonable Fermi estimate would suggest. Including the old GMC pickup truck re-bodied with "tactical" and badged as the "Hummer H3" which probably ran in the $70-90k region tricked out.
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Ford kept jacking up the truck prices and people kept buying them. A maxed out King Ranch is over $100,000 now! $100k for a truck that will never see a load of gravel or cow shit in the bed. That price range used to be Mercedes G wagon territory.
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Regulation kept making cars suck, trucks were exempt.
Re:A lot of money out there (Score:5, Interesting)
It's OK, manufacturers are making trucks suck on their own.
GM is mounting the DEF tank in the strike area. All manufacturers' ITBCs (integrated trailer brake controllers) are fragile and when you overload the circuit protection features are likely to require whole modules replaced instead of just a relay or fuse. On a modern ford with ITBC the trailer charge wire shuts off literally when you open the driver's door. On a dodge ram the vehicle puts itself into park when you try to reverse with the door open, so you can't open the door to look down (or back) at stuff while you're backing up. Just had that problem while loading a truck camper into a '19 Ram 3500. Ford taillights are now a zillion dollars because of the sensors in them.
A truck ain't a truck any more.
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Don't worry they are happy to charge you a pile of cash for fairly cheap cameras.
ITBC's tend to be awful, like most anything in the auto industry they would be better off getting out of the way and letting 3rd parties have better integration access, except they would not make them more money.
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What regulation are you speaking of?
Re:A lot of money out there (Score:5, Informative)
Rollover standards increased. Rear impact standards increased. Side impact standards increased. Offset frontal impact standards came into being. All this stuff is improved by adding more metal to the vehicle. This not only makes vehicles heavier, it generally involves reducing visibility, especially rearward but also side and forward. Cars of the 1990s were the last to have decent sight pictures, especially rearward. That's why they all need to have back up cameras and rear collision warning sensors now, you can't see shit even if you turn your head like a responsible person. I'm not against those features existing or even being standard, but they should not be considered a substitute for actual visibility because sometimes those systems fail.
Re: A lot of money out there (Score:2)
I want them to use pillar in pillar construction instead of making pillars bigger.
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That doesn't explain why trucks are more expensive. The narrative would be such regulations would make it difficult for a company to make cheap cars.
A Pickup Truck New can cost more than many sport and luxury cars. The only saving grace is their resell value drops like a rock, so you can get one Used for much cheaper.
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Ford kept raising prices and people kept paying it. You can only price according to what the market can bear. Apparently their trucks are worth that much.
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Trucks are stupidly easy to design and build. There is tons of space both inside (with quad cabs) and outside, and you can put more content in them for the same price. Plus, they aren't subject to the same emissions restrictions, so historically they haven't had as much smog equipment on them. That part has changed recently, though.
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The really sad thing is that many purchasers of expensive cars/truck don't have the money for them either, they take out loans they can't afford to pay for them, hence why so many Americans are 1 missed paycheck away from going broke.
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Often these rich people are seen driving cheaper cars too.
Re:So fucking what? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Tesla had the first mover advantage.
Now by 2022 people will have a choice, A Tesla Truck with many of the same major specs for half the price or risk it with GM.
Tesla with its expensive cars, had the advantage that they were first without any competition. Here is a really fast car, that is electric. You may want to pay extra for it because you will be able to get something that no one else has.
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Well don't fucking buy one then. You going to bitch about the super computer story from a few days ago because you can't afford time on that as well?
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Unfortunately, like 99.99% of the people in this world, I don't have $100K to burn on a vehicle.
Like ~100% of the people in this world, I don't have $57M to burn on a SpaceX launch .... and yet, I still like to read about them, because I am interested in new technology even when that technology is not something I plan to personally purchase or use.
I want to sell something that doesn't exist, too! (Score:2, Funny)
But somehow, people don't accept my bridge and second Eiffel tower...
And becoming a bank is hard.
Don't Get This. (Score:2)
Energy is going to get very expensive in the coming years, not just crude oil / gasoline energy, but _all_ energy, electricity, natural gas, hydrogen, whatever. Consequently moving heavy things around fast will become very expensive. Future vehicles _should_ be small, lightweight and slower, i.e. not this.
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I give up, why? If demand continues to drop for oil as seems to be the case given renewables and gas eating their lunch, then the price will fall. Gas itself is having its lunch eaten by renewables and the industry over-investing in fracking. Renewables are dropping in price due to achieving economies of scale and they have a lot of room to run there. Even nuclear appears to be making a comeback.
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Because AOC wants every five person family drive to work and school in a Mitsubishi Mirage EV.
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Oh No A congresswoman representing a very urban section of the United States, is pushing an agenda to support the constituents that they represents.
How bad for a member of congress to do their job they were elected to do.
No they need to fully back the Political Party no matter what stupid crap goes on, not their Constituents or the State or Country.
Why is blocking the progress of such Mitsubishi Mirage EV for those people who live in areas to benefit from it, should be actively blocked as well. Arn't you b
Re:Don't Get This. (Score:5, Interesting)
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Small and lightweight won't pull the camper.
What I don't get is the fascination with 0 to 60, and peak horsepower. Range under load is what matters. Can I get from Omak to Winthrop Going over Loup Loup pass with a 24 ft travel trailer without burning out the motors? Or from New Meadows to Grangeville up White Bird Hill? (Idaho) That's the challenge.
And none of those places have a charger. So has an electric car made the Boise to Moscow run yet? Not only do you get to climb White Bird, but the Lewiston Grade
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I have seen lots of trucks with burned out motors on Whitebird hill. That hill is not for vehicles with poor maintenance histories
I remember getting car sick on the old Whitebird Hill
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Then don't get one yet.
While the EV market has grown to a point where it is overly useful for most of the people. It still hasn't filled all the Niches that ICE cars have filed.
If you look at the shots of Tesla's Giga Texas site. You see a whole set of Gas powered construction vehicles, Also you will see an ICE based truck for Tesla service.
Being that we don't have any EV Trucks out yet. It is difficult to really say how much of its range will be lost when pulling. The EV Truck isn't built like an EV Ca
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If the EV reaches the top, it will get down, no argument there. My gas truck hit 48 MPG on a long downhill according to the dashboard display. But you won't get back more going downhill than you put out getting up the hill in the first place. See thermodynamics. And higher power draws are less efficient due to internal resistance, so where a battery might discharge at 90% efficiency normally, pulling a load uphill might take enough current to drop efficiency to 85% which means you will recoup even less of t
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The electric car gets 48mpge when going up a large hill with a large load. Going down hill, you will not get all your energy back, but you will regain a good portion of it. While you are burning 48 MPG just going downhill. And probably also burning up your breaks.
The electric motor has a lot of torque, by itself, and while working hard, doesn't generate massive amount of heat like a gas car does, also the motors do have coolant to make sure they can distribute excess heat and cold, well. But these are
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With homes with solar-panels a lot of the extra energy will be offset by home generated energy.
Arnold Schwarzenegger (Score:2)
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He drove one of the real diesel H-1 hummers. The H-2 is a body kit on a Chevy Tahoe and they're not nearly as capable or robust.
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They came with the old crap GM 6.2/6.5 IDI diesel. Every part of the 6.5 is weak. Every part of the 6.2 is weak except the pistons. But if you have one today you're in luck because the 6.6 Duramax is an easy swap from the 6.5. You probably want to have your transfer case built though, because it has vastly more output, especially if you chip it (which you couldn't do with the old motor, since it was all-mechanical except maybe for an electronic throttle on later models.) They actually put the Duramax into t
Re:Arnold Schwarzenegger (Score:4, Interesting)
Looks like a [1st gen] Honda Ridgeline (Score:2)
Not that I'm complaining, I think the Ridgeline is a super cool vehicle, for a car-truck. I'd like to own one but my lady wants me to get a more serious work truck. But that sail area is totally Ridgeline.
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Either way I like the look, but I prefer their small trucks. Hopefully this tech will make it down to the Colorado line some day. Though probably by that time, the Colorado will be the same size as the current Hummer.
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It's not triangular enough for Avalanche.
I'm sure they will make an electric Colorado (or similar) sooner or later. I don't care though because I am huge and even full size trucks are getting hard for me to be in because they've filled them with so much plastic bullshit.
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Honda Ridgeline is a minivan with the back cut out. Not a truck.
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Honda Ridgeline is a minivan with the back cut out. Not a truck.
It goes places most stock trucks don't go, because it has superior rear suspension and clever AWD. It certainly doesn't have the capacities of an actual body-on-frame truck. It does however have more ground clearance than a minivan.
Great news (Score:2)
It looks like a great work of engineering. Congrats to GM.
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Why is the hummer "hulking"? (Score:2)
Why is the hummer described as "The hulking GMC Hummer EV electric pickup truck"?
The same article later says "The Hummer EV is in part a response to Tesla Inc's TSLA.O Cybertruck, which has a very different but equally eye-grabbing design and a bevy of extreme performance features. "
So are they going to stop... (Score:2)
Energy hog is still an energy hog (Score:3, Insightful)
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With this vehicle, you'll get to check off one more box on you're "I'm responsible" checklist and still avoid any actual responsibility. It'll appeal to a certain segment, and they've got money.
Remember, this is the company that had an electric car in mass production 15 years before Tesla and sent them all to the crusher.
Congestion reduction (Score:2)
https://www.gm.com/our-stories... [gm.com]
Obviously, the Hummer is a key component in General Motors plan for zero traffic congestion outlined above.
Seriously: the Hummer was designed to handle the challenges and rigors of off-road driving, and combat movement, and few vehicles are better suited for the task. It was never intended to be a daily urban commuter, despite GM's lipstick and mascara additions. Unfortunately, the vast majority of non-military Hummers, like every other off-road capable consumer vehicle out
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The H2 is a Tahoe with an ugly body and locking diffs. But a Tahoe is a tolerably capable vehicle in its own right, assuming you're not going to go rock crawling, and locking diffs are a great place to start when you're seeking off-road capabilities.
It's no H1, and it's probably cheaper to put your own lockers on a Tahoe, but it's not as senseless as most people seem to think. The worst indictment against it IMO is that it's heavier than a Tahoe, which is the opposite of what you want off-road.
How about an actual number? (Score:1)
"Sold out..." (Score:1)
They actually haven't sold any at all (Score:2)
$100 deposit? Big deal. First, it's refundable. Second, people will easily walk away from it if they want to. People are just hedging their bets. Same is true with the Cybertruck, which will be a lot cheaper. Now let's see either one of these guys actually produce real models people can buy.
Meaningless (Score:2)
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Well that is subjective.
My Brother in law use to be a Ford Dealer Salesman. If a customer was interested in say a Toyota (which they also had, used on the lot) he would often point out while it is a good truck (as to not insult the customers intelligence), he would point out how the Ford design was much more masculine and it would show that you were a real man if you are seen driving in one. This actually works a lot.
Especially for Trucks, The design is to make it look Masculine and opposing. The other
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I'm wondering if elon had just finished a binge session of 'Doom' when he came up with that name. It's a memorable name, but not in a great way.
That said looking at it, it comes across as a mix between a Deloreon and 1980's avant-garde architecture.