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Is Apple Silicon Ready? (thenextweb.com) 132

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Programmer Abdullah Diaa has put together a website to help determine if your favorite apps work on Apple Silicon yet. An anonymous reader shares a report from The Next Web: ... [P]lease say hello to Is Apple silicon ready? The idea behind the site is simple: it shows you if specific apps will work on laptops and desktops with Apple's in-house chip. Easy to get your head around, right? It shows you a list of software and, if they have native M1 support, they're given a green tick.

Here's an image that shows you what's going on far clearer than lots of words could. As you can see, the site also shows you if the app you're after has Rosetta 2 support. Effectively, Rosetta 2 is an emulator, allowing a large number of apps designed for Intel machines to run on Apple Silicon. If this is supported, you will still be able to use that software on an M1-toting machine. Further reading: Linus Torvalds Would Like To Use An M1 Mac For Linux, But...
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  • I'm assuming it can stream videos, or they wouldn't have bothered trying to sell it.

  • Other than potentially aiming to do "app shaming" because they're "not ready", but then, that's why Apple implemented Rosetta-2, for those developers that might not have the same level of 1000+ engineering resources Apple has to adapt their code for compatibility, and need more time. And then they'll announce when they're ready.

    Besides, there's several apps I've seen publicly state they're ready for Apple Silicon, but aren't listed here. Are developers supposed to "magically" know this list even exist, and

    • 1. Rosetta2 is a translator, not an emulator, but it still doesn't provide full native performance. It is better for apps to be natively compiled from source.

      2. Not everything works with Rosetta2.

      • Stop nitpicking about "translator" versus "emulator" - you are not qualified to talk about it. For all "computer science purpose or talk: it is an emulator. An emulator that uses translation. Oops, that is so easy.
        Secondly, the "emulated intel binary" runs faster than the original binary on older Mac hardware, so much to "not full native performance".

        It is better for apps to be natively compiled from source.
        That is obviously a no brainer. However the gains might be minuscule.

        • Secondly, the "emulated intel binary" runs faster than the original binary on older Mac hardware, so much to "not full native performance".

          Everything runs faster on new hardware than old hardware.

          When I said "native performance", I meant the performance on the computer you just bought, not the computer you are replacing. I apologize for assuming that was so obvious that it didn't need to be explained.

          • Re:I don't see the point (Score:5, Informative)

            by gnasher719 ( 869701 ) on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @05:44AM (#60764294)

            When I said "native performance", I meant the performance on the computer you just bought, not the computer you are replacing. I apologize for assuming that was so obvious that it didn't need to be explained.

            Apple replaced three low-end machines. In every case, Intel code compiled with Rosetta 2 runs twice as fast as the same code ran on the machine that was replaced.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by dfghjk ( 711126 )

            Hmmm I guess that proves Rosetta isn't an emulator, right? Condescension fixes everything.

            • An emulator treats the source instruction set like bytecodes and executes them as it steps through the code.

              A translator reads the entire program, converts it to native code, and then runs it.

              A translator will run faster but with a lag at startup.

              The difference is similar to the difference between an interpreter and a compiler. They serve the same purpose but are not the same thing.

              • The point is that emulation as well as interpretation can - and often does - translate the original binary code into another code.

                That does not change the fact that e.g. the Java Virtual Machine is an interpreter ... and ... Tata! Rosetta 2 is an emulator.

                The fact that both use cross-translation does not change that. I suggest to go to a CS class and stop this silly nitpicking about it.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by dfghjk ( 711126 )

        Rosetta is an emulator, it emulates a different computing platform. It performs codes translation as part of this emulation. translation and emulation are not mutually exclusive.

        One can argue, even, that translator and emulator are synonyms in this context. It's ridiculous how people contort themselves to argue against "it's an emulator" merely because Apple marketers said this in a cheerleading session. Rosetta is an emulator.

      • 1. Rosetta2 is a translator, not an emulator, but it still doesn't provide full native performance.

        Not true. Rosetta 2 is actually both. It uses translation when it can and uses emulation when translation isn't possible. (For ex. With every Electron app thatâ(TM)s using JIT to compile JavaScript at runtime.)

    • Not everything works with Rosetta 2. e.g.: How would you run VirtualBox inside of it? Docker?

    • Re: I don't see the point (Score:4, Informative)

      by Malc ( 1751 ) on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @03:04AM (#60764038)

      I don't think it's about "shaming" at all. In fact it looks quite useful and time saving. If you actually look at it, you will also see that some apps aren't working with Rosetta 2. It looks like a useful place to quickly assess the impact of switching to Apple Silicon, although there are still some missing for me like Cisco AnyConnect, but I think that will improve.

    • What if they don't know - will they end up getting "shamed" for it?

      No, because most Apple users don't give a shit about what some obscure blogger has to say about which apps are ready or not, they'll simply install it from the App Store and they'll have their answer immediately.

  • TSMC silicon and Apple VHDL?

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by Xenx ( 2211586 )
      It's a matter of how you look at it. Who designed it vs who physically built it. I would say the company designing the chips would usually be more important. Though, in this case, the fact that this wouldn't have worked as well on older fabs and only TSMC could have produced it.
      • modern silicon fab is a lot more complicated than just building chips based on design from customer. high level design is by Apple but TSMC is also probably high involved in lower level design of transistors, routing, layers, etc. anyway, Apple also probably didn't design all the components. they probably buy most of the sub components from IP core vendors such as Mentor, etc.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by Xenx ( 2211586 )

          modern silicon fab is a lot more complicated than just building chips based on design from customer.

          But, the design is what determines what the product is and does. I'm not saying the fab isn't involved in the process. I'm just saying that ultimately the fab creates what it's paid to create. It's a factor in how the chip is designed, but it's still ultimately designed by Apple in this case.

        • . they probably buy most of the sub components from IP core vendors such as Mentor, etc.

          Right.

          If that were true, weâ(TM)d see Qualcomm equaling or exceeding Appleâ(TM)s SoC performance long ago.

    • Isn't it TSMC silicon and Apple VHDL?

      Apple Silicon is the brand name, just like Intel Core or AMD Ryzen. Apple Silicon is an SOC that implements the arm64 ISA, Intel Core and AMD Ryzen are CPUs that implement x86_64.

  • Yes (Score:5, Informative)

    by haunebu ( 16326 ) on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @12:20AM (#60763790) Homepage

    Typing this comment on an Apple Silicon machine. Yes, it's ready. There are almost no downsides whatsoever to the experience. x86 compatibility through Rosetta2? Check. Runs x86 code faster than my previous Intel i7-powered MacBook Pro, in fact. About twice as fast for single-threaded tasks and four times as fast for multi-threaded tasks that leverage the four high-performance cores. Apps that are optimized for Apple Silicon (ARM) absolutely fly... they're just icing on the cake.

    In short, loving Apple Silicon and never looking back. Ever.

    • No expectations, no downsides. Doubleplusgood!

    • Re: Yes (Score:5, Informative)

      by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 ) on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @01:54AM (#60763936)

      Your previous Mac was perma-throttling due to inadequate cooling because looks were more important, by the way. So de-facto not an i7 anymore, unless you count boost clock times.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Was going to post something similar. The M1 is about 75% the speed of a mid range Ryzen Mobile CPU and the GPU is even less competitive with mobile Radeon GPUs. And that's for native ARM applications, when you include x86 translation it falls even further behind.

        All the Apple x86 laptops in the last few years have been thermally limited. They hit 99C within seconds and slash clock speeds to keep over overheating. Intel's crappy 14nm+++ process just can't compete now AMD is back.

        • Was going to post something similar. The M1 is about 75% the speed of a mid range Ryzen Mobile CPU and the GPU is even less competitive with mobile Radeon GPUs. And that's for native ARM applications, when you include x86 translation it falls even further behind.

          If it makes you happy... (And the numbers I saw are different from yours, the 75% comes from a site comparing the iPad A12 chip with a Ryzen chip). But you can't get a Mac with a Ryzen processor, and you never will. That said, you are comparing a low end M1 with a mid range AMD chip. Mid-range M1 expected in March will have 8 performance cores and leave any mid-range Ryzen chip in the dust.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by dfghjk ( 711126 )

            Midrange in March? Source?

            In an argument over M1 vs. Intel why should it matter whether the machine is a Mac or not? There are Intel machines faster than the M1 Macs, just few Intel Macs. Plus, if the point is how superior Apple Silicon is, why shouldn't it be compared to AMD, and why shouldn't GPU performance be considered?

            And what's with this "if it makes you happy" bullshit? All this M1 rah rah is to make Apple cheerleaders happy.

            • There are Intel machines faster than the M1 Macs, just few Intel Macs.

              Apple Baaaad! You are tilting at windmills.

              Nobody is claiming that the M1 in an ultraportable is faster than every Intel processor ever made. You can unpucker your butthole safely now.

        • Re: Yes (Score:4, Insightful)

          by PhunkySchtuff ( 208108 ) <kai&automatica,com,au> on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @06:12AM (#60764344) Homepage

          Apple have published the performance delta between the M1 MacBook Air 13-inch and the previous generation, top-spec Intel model configured with 1.2GHz quad-core Intel Core i7, 16GB RAM and 2TB SSD.

          The MacBook Air with an i7 is likely using the Core i7-10510Y - Quad-core 1.2GHz with turbo boost to 4.5GHz:
          https://ark.intel.com/content/... [intel.com]

          Picking a task with the smallest delta, exporting images from Adobe Lightroom was 2.3x faster on the M1. Keep in mind that this is the M1 running emulated code in Rosetta 2, as Lightroom is not native yet. If the M1 is 75% of a mid-range Ryzen Mobile, then this means that this mid-range Ryzen is 3x faster than a Core i7 mobile CPU. Is that correct?

          For the various hardware configurations that Apple have tested, refer to the footnotes on this page:
          https://www.apple.com/macbook-... [apple.com]

          • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

            by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            Unless you absolutely have to have a Mac because you are locked into the Apple ecosystem then comparing with a last gen Macbook is just gaming the numbers. Apple know their last gen Macbooks are crap, they thermal throttle under load.

            • Be that as it may, does it mean that a mid-range Ryzen Mobile is 3x faster than a Core i7-10510Y?

              • Re: (Score:2)

                by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                Yes it does, at least an i7 in a Macbook where it is thermally limited.

                • Re: (Score:3)

                  by pjrc ( 134994 )

                  Geekbench says a Ryzen 9 4900HS scores 1093 single, 7090 multi core.

                  Intel Core i7-10510U scores 1152 single, 3765 multi core.

                  Apple's M1-based Mac Mini scores 1743 single, 7710 multi core.

                  Yeah, I know this may be a case of bringing facts to a values fight. I'm sure someone so emotionally invested in AMD Ryzen (which is twice as fast for multithreaded workloads and similar for single thread) will have plenty of reasons to still claim mobile Ryzen is 3X faster.

                  • What's Cinebench say?

                    How about SPEC CPU 2017?

                    Geekbench is a toy.

                    • Re: (Score:3)

                      by CODiNE ( 27417 )

                      SPEC 2017 has the M1 doing pretty good. Not the exact Ryzen model you mentioned but basically neck to neck with high end Intel and AMD desktop chips.

                      https://www.anandtech.com/show... [anandtech.com]

                    • Geekbench is a toy.

                      Geekbench is a "toy" because it shows good numbers for Apple, so that makes it a toy.

                      Cinebench is the real thing, especially since the first published and widely quoted benchmark didn't test the M1, but the A12 from an iPad Pro.

                    • That's very good single-threaded performance. Now, what happens if you run it on all cores?

                    • Re: (Score:2)

                      by CODiNE ( 27417 )

                      Fortunately the very next page has that.

                      https://www.anandtech.com/show... [anandtech.com]

                    • Obviously I didn't bother to click that far. That's very good CPU performance overall, as far as synthetic benchmarking.

                      It will be interesting when Cinebench runs on it. If that's good as well then it will be necessary to concede that Apple has really accomplished something :)

                      Seriously though, it's already quite impressive.

                    • Geekbench is a "toy" because it shows good numbers for Apple, so that makes it a toy.

                      Geekbench is a "toy" because no one takes it seriously.

                      Even on Mobile, Antutu is considered to be the benchmark of benchmarks. On desktop, it's a hodgepodge of non-synthetic benchmarks.

                      The SPEC results are very good, though, and I take those seriously even though that is a synthetic benchmark.

                    • Re: (Score:2)

                      by CODiNE ( 27417 )

                      Believe it or not.... same article has Cinebench.

                      https://www.anandtech.com/show... [anandtech.com]

                      I hope these chips can scale to higher core counts and that they wake the beast like last time AMD beat intel when 64-but was new. Hopefully Intel recovers their glory days, competition is good for everyone.

        • > The M1 is about 75% the speed of a mid range Ryzen Mobile CPU

          Looking at both SPEC and GeekBench, the AMD Ryzen 9 4900HS, which I believe is still their highest-end mobile product and has been called "AMD's most important product ever", is about 70% as fast as the M1 in single-core and 95% in multi-core in spite of having twice as many cores.

          > They hit 99C within seconds and slash clock speeds to keep over overheating.

          If we're going to talk about TDPs the contrast is even starker. The M1 is a SOC wit

      • It was perma-throttling because intel can't get it's shit together and make a chip that doesnâ(TM)t run hot and suck an asstonne of power, and demands that you blast fans at it non-stop. The lesson of the M1 is that you actually can make chips that don't destroy your battery but can still do actual work. That M1 is in an identical case to the old chip and runs circles around it, so clearly the case and thermal design isn't the problem. In fact, I suspect no amount of air cooling would make that i7 perf

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    • Re: (Score:1)

      by rootb ( 6288574 )
      All is fine if what you do doesn't require more than 8/16GB memory. If that happens, anything coupled with more memory will wipe the floor with your iSilicon..

      • All is fine if what you do doesn't require more than 8/16GB memory. If that happens, anything coupled with more memory will wipe the floor with your iSilicon..

        Obviously that is the case, Apple pretty clearly say that it maxes out at 16 GB. This is the entry-level M1. There will be a more powerful version released next year, named something like M1X or M1Z, that will be used in the higher-end 13-inch MacBook Pro, as well as the 16-inch MacBook Pro and the iMac. This SOC will have more cores and support more than 16 GB RAM.

    • Typing this comment on an Apple Silicon machine. Yes, it's ready. There are almost no downsides whatsoever to the experience. x86 compatibility through Rosetta2? Check. Runs x86 code faster than my previous Intel i7-powered MacBook Pro, in fact. About twice as fast for single-threaded tasks and four times as fast for multi-threaded tasks that leverage the four high-performance cores. Apps that are optimized for Apple Silicon (ARM) absolutely fly... they're just icing on the cake.

      In short, loving Apple Silicon and never looking back. Ever.

      Yes, but does it come in Rose Gold? If not, it's a deal breaker for me. If it doesn't match my keyboard, my code won't compile right. I just know it.

      And it better come with wheels too...

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by antdude ( 79039 )

      Wait, it can run 32-bit apps again like old Office 2011?

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Doesn't run java. Keeps hanging. Multiple VMs. Can't use eclipse. That's pretty big for a lot of people.

      Multiple odd things also happening in other development apps. Plus the usual 'frozen' and 'hanging' from x86 stuff.

      Yes. Apple silicon still needs work at the OS level. Typed on an M1.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by pjrc ( 134994 )

      Several video editing reviews on YouTube have specifically mentioned most 3rd party plugins for Final Cut Pro do not yet work. Apparently Rosetta 2 can't run them. Maybe it's because Final Cut Pro is running native ARM code?

      The no-plugins Final Cut Pro performance looks absolutely astounding, so I'm pretty sure those 3rd parties will soon port their code. But if you edit video in Final Cut and use any plugins, the reality today isn't quite "almost no downsides whatsoever".

      Likewise for virtual machines or

      • You can't mix and match x86 and ARM code in the same process. So if the parent process is ARM, the plugins must be ARM as well. This probably applies to just about any program with a plugin architecture. Note: you may be able to launch Final Cut in x86 mode and have the plugins work? (With a performance penalty, of course.) Not sure, I don't have either an M1 Mac or Final Cut.

  • Ready? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by NateFromMich ( 6359610 ) on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @12:53AM (#60763860)
    It's ready for Apple. These new processors are going to be like a dream for Apple as it will allow them to completely lock down the environment that their users are able to access. This will just fine for a lot of their users, but talking about Linux or Windows on these is just totally pointless.
    It would be like trying to run Android on a new iPhone. It's so far out of the realm of possible, that it isn't worth discussing.

    • Yeah, from a technical point of view I think M1 is a great step in the right direction. Intel has clearly left a lot on the table in terms of power efficiency (we'll see about performance soon I expect). But I do think there is a good chance that once M1 goes mainstream for Apple they will make everything go through the Apple Store. They could just tell folks who want to install their own software to buy the Intel macs for the next couple of years and then ditch them after that.

      As you said, most users won't

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    • An Android emulator would run just fine on an iPhone.
      Same as Linux VMs run just fine on M1.

      Or like android VMs running on Mac OS, oops, you did not know that?
      I don't recommend "Andy" thought, it installs mallware on your Mac.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Halo1 ( 136547 )

      It's ready for Apple. These new processors are going to be like a dream for Apple as it will allow them to completely lock down the environment that their users are able to access.

      Initially I was also very afraid of that, but at least for now they are specifically not doing that. They even took time to explicitly mention this in the WWDC Apple Silicon overview [apple.com] video, mentioning that various hardware features that lock down the OS can be disabled in case you're developing kernel extensions, are a security researcher, or simply want to explore the OS.

      The only one that's not mentioned, and which is quite important, is whether you can boot unsigned OSes. I would assume it's possible sinc

      • The only one that's not mentioned, and which is quite important, is whether you can boot unsigned OSes. I would assume it's possible since they did mention that you can disable code signature verification to install and boot older macOS releases that are no longer signed by Apple, but I'm not sure.

        It was mentioned on WWDC. You can run unsigned OSes from an external hard drive or SSD drive. One class is older MacOS versions which won't be signed at some point (not relevant to M1 chips right now, but in the future). And of course any other OS, like Linux.

    • These new processors are going to be like a dream for Apple as it will allow them to completely lock down the environment that their users are able to access.

      The corollary to this is it will allow them to implement a chipset that doesn't have mandatory Intel Management Engine backdoors installed.

      Like it or not, the technology that keeps users out of their own system is the same technology that keeps everyone else out, too.

    • These new processors are going to be like a reoccurring wet-dream for Apple haters as it will allow them to completely lock down the environment that their users are able to access.

      Wake up, clean yourself off, it didn't happen.

      I'm looking out for your safety here so you don't beat your meat purple trying to make the dream real. Apple 110% fully controls the firmware on all of their devices right? Linux ran on PowerPC Macs? Linux ran on Intel/EFI Macs? Linux ran on Intel/UEFI Macs? Any of those could have been locked down tighter than a game console. If Linux doesn't run on the new architecture it's because it doesn't have support yet. If that didn't wake you up, I don't know wh

  • apps that don't work (Score:5, Informative)

    by niftydude ( 1745144 ) on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @01:34AM (#60763908)
    Website list of apps that don't work so far (even with rosetta 2 emulation):
    LFO Tool plugin
    Native instruments
    Nectar plugin
    Neutron plugin
    Pro tools
    Screenflow
    Google Drive File Stream
    Virtualbox
    Revit
    Parallels
    VMWare Fusion
    Haskell

    I understand why VM software wouldn't work, but google drive file stream?

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Bert64 ( 520050 )

      Given what google drive file stream does, it probably needs to integrate with the filesystem layer rather than run as a standalone application. It's the integration that breaks, since you can't integrate code from different architectures into a single running program or driver. That's why a lot of the other failed applications are plugins for something else.
      Standalone applications tend to run fine.

      • So the missing information is: does it run on Big Sur at all?

      • All I saw is "Apple changed shit again and apps that shouldn't break broke"
        It doesn't matter why, or how, or whatever other cope or shilling you might try to state, this situation, no matter what you or any other person says, is *still* unacceptable.
        Reject, reject, reject. Do not buy. Send the message. AMD or nothing.

    • Google File File Stream is mounting a drive, and probably is using an obscure kernel call for that, instead of doing it "normally".

      More surprising is that Haskell is not running.

      • From Apple's developer page (https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/about_the_rosetta_translation_environment)

        What Can't Be Translated?
        Rosetta can translate most Intel-based apps, including apps that contain just-in-time (JIT) compilers. However, Rosetta doesn’t translate the following executables:
        Kernel extensions
        Virtual Machine apps that virtualize x86_64 computer platforms
        Rosetta translates all x86_64 instructions, but it doesn’t support the execution of some newer instruction sets and processor features, such as AVX, AVX2, and AVX512 vector instructions. If you include these newer instructions in your code, execute them only after verifying that they are available. For example, to determine if AVX512 vector instructions are available, use the sysctlbyname function to check the hw.optional.avx512f attribute.

        From what I understand, there is some software that doesn't correctly test for the presence of AVX, etc, and these programs might fail. Perhaps Haskell has a bug in that it doesn't test for AVX when it should?

    • VMWare and Parallels are in the works. Both companies have committed to M1 native releases.
      As has Adobe for its CS offering.

      I bought a new 16in Intel MBP three months ago (to replace a 5 yr old 13in MacBook). I knew full well that the M1 hardware was coming but I needed to get one in a hurry (grandson spilt his friut juice all over the keyboard)

      If this one lasts as long as the previous one then by the time I need to upgrade, we will probably wondering what the fuss is all about for the Intel/ASI transition.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      It's a shame they don't list if the app runs well too. It's hard to measure relative performance since x86 Macbooks are thermally limited, but a comparison with a similarly priced Ryzen laptop would be very informative.

    • You missed some of the big ones. The ones that represent the only reason my company has Macs in the mix.

      Adobe InDesign, Lightroom, After Effects, Illustrator and Premiere Pro. Acrobat isn't even on the list.

      There's a Photoshop beta that works, but that's it. Granted, it's the big one, but the only one?

      People who use Macs professionally, at least in my experience, tend to be working with Adobe products.

      Oh, and not only is Parallels not marked as working, JAMF isn't even on the list. Kaseya hasn'

  • "Why are you tryin' to read that word? ... You a fag??" has become reality.

    Alright, sirs, I'm commencin' to receive my tattoo now.

    Sponsored by Carl's Junior.

  • I can't buy their chips and put it in a project. So why are we talking about it? Whatever Apple does might as well be a black box.

    I remember when people complained an Intel Mac had to emulate a PowerPC, and before that when people complained that a Power Mac had to emulate 68K. But after a few years nobody cared, because usually software developers are forced along the path of updating their development tools to support the latest OS and hardware. It's just me and like 5 other people in the world that still

    • ...It's just me and like 5 other people in the world that still have Macs with OS X 10.4 (Tiger), people running actual businesses don't care about old crap that Apple refuses to support.

      People running actual businesses using old crap that vendors refuse to support, will find themselves suddenly caring about the actual reality of Shit Happens.

      Meh, perhaps I'm overreacting...it's not like hardware ever dies and software becomes incompatible...

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Bert64 ( 520050 )

        People who are serious about running a business will ensure they're never in a position that they're stuck with something no longer supportable.
        Vendors publish support timelines that you can see in advance, you have to plan your migration strategy to occur before support ends. You have to also plan for contingencies should the supplier change their plans - what is your exit strategy for replacing this vendor's products with something else?

        • People who are serious about running a business will ensure they're never in a position that they're stuck with something no longer supportable. Vendors publish support timelines that you can see in advance, you have to plan your migration strategy to occur before support ends. You have to also plan for contingencies should the supplier change their plans - what is your exit strategy for replacing this vendor's products with something else?

          You speak so much common sense that it's comedic when compared to reality.

          If the business world was so "serious" about maintaining products properly, we probably wouldn't have been worried about the entire computing world melting down due to Y2K, because most critical systems were still running on ancient COBOL, operating for decades under the if-it-works-don't-fix-it mantra.

          Also feel free to consult most who are now stuck running Oracle or SAP. That's the other problem with keeping software up to date. I

    • I remember when people complained an Intel Mac had to emulate a PowerPC, and before that when people complained that a Power Mac had to emulate 68K.

      I think the first 150 MHz PowerPC was the fastest 68k processor ever. (Don't know if they made faster 68k processors since). So fast that some guys managed to make Atari OS run on it, and it was the fastest Atari computer ever built.

    • Old man yells at cloud.

  • Hey you. App developer.

    Yeah. You. Come here.

    WE have new hardware to introduce to the computing world, and YOU need to make sure YOUR shit works on it. Oh, it doesn't? Wow. Sucks to be you. Now go fix YOUR shit.

    (I've spoken about Corporate Arrogance for quite a while now, but if you were looking for a steaming pile of an example...)

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by gtall ( 79522 )

      i = 0;
      While (i != 3000)
            Yo, App developer_i.

            Yeah You_i. Come here.

            We'd like to build new silicon, tell us which special sauce you_i require.

            i = i + 1

      end While;

      Okay, you hardware guys, we have 3000 specs for you to fulfill. Get cranking, there'll be another 3000 next week.

  • Not ready for music production yet (Score:3)

    by mccalli ( 323026 ) on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @05:42AM (#60764288) Homepage
    Too many of the big music production names not working/not ready yet. Logic is ported and runs fine by all accounts, but Native Instruments stuff is reported as not running (which means no Kontakt - for those not familiar, in the electronic music world this is as big a deal as saying MS Word doesn't run would be for Windows), EastWest stuff the same, iZotyope's Neutron which I use on damned near every track...

    I've no doubt it will be in fairly short order so this isn't a criticism, more...just noting that for some areas it's best to wait right now.
    • There's a Photoshop beta, but that's it for Adobe. Which means my company's marketing department won't be getting new Macs for a while. I don't personally care so much about that, but I do care about there being no enterprise management platform (i.e. Parallels, JAMF, Kaseya...).

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