Twitter Permanently Bans Trump, While Reddit Bans r/donaldtrump Forum For Inciting Violence (theverge.com) 485
U.S. President Donald Trump was "permanently suspended" from Twitter Friday afternoon. "After close review of recent Tweets from the account and the context around them we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence," reads Twitter's announcement.
The announcement has since caused a new word to trend on Twitter: "Permanently."
Meanwhile, Reddit has banned r/donaldtrump for encouraging and glorifying violence after Wednesday's mob attack on the US Capitol. The Verge reports: Axios reporter Sara Fischer first reported the news, noting that the unofficial pro-Trump forum had been given multiple warnings. A Reddit splash page says the subreddit was "banned due to a violation of Reddit's rules against inciting violence." The r/donaldtrump forum had approximately 52,000 members before its ban, according to an Internet Archive snapshot.
"Reddit's site-wide policies prohibit content that promotes hate, or encourages, glorifies, incites, or calls for violence against groups of people or individuals. In accordance with this, we have been proactively reaching out to moderators to remind them of our policies and to offer support or resources as needed," a Reddit spokesperson tells The Verge. "We have also taken action to ban the community r/donaldtrump given repeated policy violations in recent days regarding the violence at the US Capitol."
The announcement has since caused a new word to trend on Twitter: "Permanently."
Meanwhile, Reddit has banned r/donaldtrump for encouraging and glorifying violence after Wednesday's mob attack on the US Capitol. The Verge reports: Axios reporter Sara Fischer first reported the news, noting that the unofficial pro-Trump forum had been given multiple warnings. A Reddit splash page says the subreddit was "banned due to a violation of Reddit's rules against inciting violence." The r/donaldtrump forum had approximately 52,000 members before its ban, according to an Internet Archive snapshot.
"Reddit's site-wide policies prohibit content that promotes hate, or encourages, glorifies, incites, or calls for violence against groups of people or individuals. In accordance with this, we have been proactively reaching out to moderators to remind them of our policies and to offer support or resources as needed," a Reddit spokesperson tells The Verge. "We have also taken action to ban the community r/donaldtrump given repeated policy violations in recent days regarding the violence at the US Capitol."
Old Ben (Score:5, Funny)
Its as if millions of voices rung out in glee and then finally, silence. I feel as if something wonderful has happened.
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Yeah, it's pretty great. Oh, they mad. You should seem them foaming at the mouth now. Vague references to violence, "You can't stop what's coming", "Things are going to move fast now, be ready". Most of those dumb fucks won't do anything, of course, but some number will start in with the terrorism over the next month. Hopefully Wed was the worst of it but I kind of doubt it.
Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:5, Interesting)
It's not going away, sadly, the toothpaste is out of the tube - with apologies to HR Haldeman.
I've spent the last couple of days speaking with some (confusingly) intelligent friends who still believe there's a path to a 2nd Trump Presidency, even though it involves some form of military complicity that has already been arranged... you cannot make this shit up.
Shutting off 45's access to social media won't do a damn thing when those susceptible to the consumption of suspicious Koolaid are free to return to their rabbit holes. Trump is just a symptom of the underlying disease.
Re:Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:5, Insightful)
Beware of "intelligent friends" who see conspiracies everywhere.
Intelligence and sanity are two different things.
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I'm confused. Are there actually Trump supporters conspiring to commit terrorism or is that just a crazy conspiracy theory?
Well...conspiring to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer comes to mind. But you know, maybe they were just umm kidding around. They probably just had the guns and zip tie handcuffs to look cool in their booking photos.
Re:Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:4, Interesting)
The toothpaste is out, but there are ways to get most of it back in. Some is going to be left on the counter and might never come completely clean, but most of it is salvageable.
Getting away from metaphors, we have to work on deprogramming, just like with jihadis and other extremists. Limiting the feeds helps a lot, though the really driven ones will continue to find their sources. The mid- and high-level people need to be deprogrammed so they not only stop spewing the hate, but can start spreading a message of remorse and reconciliation. Those that have crossed the line should answer to justice, but even in prison, they can help guide their would-be followers away from their path.
Re:Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:5, Interesting)
Unfortunately, it's more than one. It's several. They most often reference, and indeed send links to, online videos... Youtube is a common source.
The ubiquitous availability of the compiled knowledge (and nonsense) of mankind has an adverse side effect; every belief set genre is available to the minds of those seeking comfort in conspiracy.
Intelligence is not seemingly impenetrable armor against it.
Re:Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:5, Interesting)
from the like of Twitter & Facebook they'll fade away. The radical extremists who don't can be picked off by the FBI for the various laws they tend to break (mostly illegal weapons, some drug running and the bomb making they're fond of). Give it 2 years and we can get these terrorists under control. If the Dems can keep Congress the economy will stabilize (seriously, look it up, the economy does better under the Dems, it's been proven) and these guys'll get jobs and wives and homes and calm down. Since they're not living in countries we're constantly bombing they won't radicalize the way mid-easterners sometimes do.
You are 100 percent correct about the economy and how Democrats are much better at maintaining it. And there is a grave danger to the Republican party that it might fracture. The lunatic right might decide to create "Trump Party" or the like.
Perhaps then the Republicans can get back to proper conservative ideas, not the batshit crazy descent they have made into conspiracy land, where nothing is real, and each conspiracy contradicts all of the others.
Re:Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps then the Republicans can get back to proper conservative ideas,
“Proper conservative ideals” died when they got us involved in multiple foreign wars, made us globally despised, and sank the economy almost causing a depression. Trump happened because the GOP was out of ideas but its voters couldn’t concede that the Dems have been right for decades.
The data is in: Friedman was wrong and trying to force democracy on foreign nations backfires. With those two pillars of “conservative ideals” knocked over, all that’s left are the culture wars.
Re:Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:4, Informative)
You are 100 percent correct about the economy and how Democrats are much better at maintaining it.
The Republicans not maintaining it is a deliberate policy. It makes them look good to be out there spending money and cutting taxes when the Democrats always make people tighten their belts.
It even has a name: The Two Santa Claus Theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re:Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:4, Insightful)
It is more accurate to consider today's Republican party to be a thin veneer of respectability glued over the top of a rapacious, greedy, self-serving, tax-dodging agenda that is bought and paid for by a handful of the wealthiest in America today. (Koch brothers, Thiel, et al).
The greatest tragedy here is that the people who flocked to Trump's banner in droves - are now those most likely to be losing the jobs, their homes, their support... as the nation tries to grapple with the insane increase in national debt and the massive damage to the economy that Trump and his enablers have caused.
And it's worth pointing out that those most responsible for the damage - Republican Senators, are still largely in place, even if they have now lost their majority. It was McConnell and others who pushed through the 2 Trillion in tax cuts that went direct to the billionaires. It was McConnell and others who refused to impeach Trump despite the damning and overwhelming evidence.
The reason? Because they hope and believe that Trump will become their convenient scape-goat, their fall guy. Two years from now when the next round of Congressional elections kick in, they'll want you to forget all their support, all their enablement, all their turned blind eyes, all their sycophancy.
Re: Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:5, Insightful)
The stock market isn't the economy
Re: Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:5, Insightful)
^^THIS! Wall Street may not perform as well because, of the two parties, the Dems are more likely to understand that a Wall Street rally means little if Main Street still looks like the great depression.
Re: Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:5, Interesting)
Q: How did Obama’s stimulus bill get us out of the Great Recession?
A: Primarily through infrastructure spending.
Repairing thousands of bridges and repaving roads may not be as flashy as the Hoover Dam, but it employs a lot of people and fixes a lot of broken shit.
Re: Without the steady doom scrolling (Score:5, Insightful)
Obama's program was more effective than giving wads of cash to people who can already afford to use hundreds as cigar lighters.
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Honestly, if anyone should support changing our stupid electoral system, it's the Republicans.
Change it, split off the crazies into one party, pick up a LOT of voters from the Democrats. And watch as the greens split off from snd pick up a lot of Democrat voters as well.
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Seriously, I did, and you're wrong. But I wouldn't expect anything less from a fark politics, /r/wallstreetbets script kiddie
Stocks historically perform better under a divided Congress
Since when is the stock market "The Economy?"
Wait, I know the answer! It's since Donald Trump took office. Trump figured out he can artificially inflate the stock market by printing trillions of extra dollars and calling it "The Economy".
https://www.rt.com/business/49... [rt.com]
Nope. The economy is about solid values like deficits and production of goods, not stockbrokers playing games.
Re: Old Ben (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm worried about inauguration day, but at this point it'll be more heavily guarded than Area 51. Good thing Trump is a poor lower and planning to head out to Mar a Lago on Jan 19. If he had held his planned counterrally to announce his 2024 candidacy at the same time in DC things could have gotten messy.
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The conspiracies are flying, current favourite seems to be that Trump hasn't been seen in public for a day or two and they are banning his accounts because he is about to blow the whole swamp up. Reveal the truth to the world, take down the deep state and pardon all the maga rioters.
Re: Old Ben (Score:2)
Yep. There was talk immediately that his video the other day was a deep state deep fake. Or also somehow a message that the coup is still on.
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Re:Old Ben (Score:5, Funny)
The conspiracies are flying
I joined the DNC today.
Sorry suckers, I rule the world from the shadows now. It is gonna be the Year of the Linux Desktop for the next 10 years straight.
Correction: 9 years. There won't be computers after the Lizard People's ship reaches orbit.
But 9 years of the Linux Desktop!
Re: Old Ben (Score:3)
Why not until y2k38?
Re: Old Ben (Score:4, Interesting)
The good news is that things change.
The Party of Lincoln is now the party of Jim Crow v2.0, Proud Boys, and assholes walking through the United States Capitol carrying confederate battle flags, raising gallows, wearing "Camp Auschwitz" hoodies and "MAGA Civil War - January 6 2021" T-shirts. [buzzfeednews.com]
I guess I'm ok with joining the party that learned their lesson, rather than the one that still needs to, painfully, and right now.
Re:Old Ben (Score:5, Interesting)
They are moving through the denial stage of grief onto the next one which is, as I now understand it, absolute batshit glue-huffing insanity.
I did see a thread where one nut was still claiming "Muh Trump is still gonna be President on the 20th, you watch he'll pull it off with 87D chess!" and even the nut brigade thought that guy was huffing paint. So I'm seeing a little more acceptance of some pieces of reality, but yeah the other conspiracy theories and vague threats of the upcoming violence they plan are on the rise.
Re:Old Ben (Score:5, Interesting)
They are moving through the denial stage of grief onto the next one which is, as I now understand it, absolute batshit glue-huffing insanity.
I think you're way behind on the stages. The original 5 from Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, with my humble annotations for Trump and his supporters:
Anger: When have these guys not been angry? Anyway, I think that happened shortly after the November election, when the swing-states were called for Biden/Harris. ... but most recently it's just outright incredulity that Trump actually lost, bigly.
Denial: That has also been a continuing theme for Trump and Trumpians during the last 4-ish years. Fill in whatever references come to mind regarding Deep State, Fake News, Russia 'hoaxes', 'perfect' phone calls
Bargaining: Need you ask? All of the frivolous lawsuits challenging states' election results (with no actual evidence) and that infamous phone-call to the Georgia election officials, asking/telling them to 'find' 11,780 votes for Trump.
Depression: Yeah, I think this is where they are now.
Acceptance: I think many of Trump's supporters will get here eventually, but for some, it ain't gonna happen.
And from here? I fear that there will still be a hard-core fringe that will go back to Anger.
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If they're that nuts, any chance we could convince them that Trump is still running things, just from behind the scenes? Might be an easy way to keep them pacified.
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Re: Old Ben (Score:5, Insightful)
Except literally the second sentence of that statement was a lie. He resisted calling in the National Guard. Pence was the one coordinating with the DoD. As the riot was marching up the steps of the Capitol Trump was calling Republican senators. Not to warn them, but to push them to continue the baseless challenges.
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Things are gonna move fast now!
These guys were really something at the 50 yard dash in HS, they can still sprint at least 25ft.
The only one moving fast is ManBearPig, and everybody can see him coming a mile away.
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Fortunately, many of them are dumb enough to take incriminating selfies and publish their confessions online.
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They're done, and I think this quote will be instructive as regards their futures:
“Historians have a word for Germans who joined the N.a.zi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.
That word is "N.a.zi." Nobody cares about their motives any more.”
A.R. Moxon
(had to put periods
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I wish I could mod you up, but I never get a mod point to give. My tweet for the day?
#MAVA = Make America Violent Again!
#GOT = Gang Of Trump
The Republican Party of Abe Lincoln is dead and burried. GOP = GONE.
However, I still think the general solution approach would involve making public reputation more visible. My working tag is MEPR for Multidimensional Earned Public Reputation. As it would apply to Trump, the MEPR icon next to his name would always provide an easy link to see that he has an extremely negative score in the "truthful" dimension, along with the evidence of his lies. Anyone should be able to say whatever they li
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Yeah, I meant "buried". What dimension of MEPR would cover "eyes don't work too well"?
Re: But Tomorrow Belongs to Me... (Score:3)
This should really be taught to everyone in school.
They did not come with hate and horror.
They came with hope and a smile, to make Germany great again. (Literally Hitler's campaign promise, albeit much better presented than Trump.)
And the evilness only crept up to everyone. With everyone of course being in denial for a long time too.
That's the creepiest thing about it: When evil comes with a sunny smile that makes nobody believes it is evil until it is way too late.
For reference: There have been people livi
Parler on notice as well (Score:5, Informative)
Collateral damage seems to be that Parler has just been put on a 24 hour notice by Apple, for its current content, and lack of moderation. Apple also gave a pretty good overview of the reasons why, links to twitter and all.
See https://www.inputmag.com/cultu... [inputmag.com]
Not that Apple is the good guy here, but I'm not feeling much sympathy for Parler either.
Re:Parler on notice as well (Score:4, Insightful)
Not really surprising, none of these companies want to be associated with a violent uprising against democracy, having facilitated sedition and helped coordinate terrorism.
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Well, it is much too late for that. Deplatforming was the obvious solution long ago. Choosing not to choose, as Twitter did for 4 years, is still a choice.
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Maybe you aren't too familiar with how Facebook works but in the past it has been criticised for things like private groups where people organize their crimes. Because they are private nobody reports them and they are left alone until some journalist infiltrates them.
Or that time a terrorist live-streamed his mass murder on their platform. Like it or not they became associated with it, not least due to their inability to stop the spread of the recorded video. I guess some people felt that video of people be
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Re:Parler on notice as well (Score:5, Informative)
Parler is not a "free speech" haven. From the moment right wingers started fleeing Facebook and Twitter, Parler has been banning accounts [marketrealist.com]. Almost all the accounts banned have been from people trolling the white supremacists on Parler about Biden's win or expressing views critical of the con artist. And it's been going on for at least six months [newsweek.com].
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Point to the constitutional doll and show me where the government passed a law limiting your speech.
Ohhh, you mean a private company expressed an opinion about how you could use its services, ah yeah about that. Companies are free to refuse service to anyone for any reason as long as it's not expressly protected.
Hmm, I just thumbed through my pocket constitution, I don't see 'Acting like a jagoff on twitter' as being protected.
Looks like Parler maybe next? (Score:2)
What does 4chan have to say? (Score:2)
4chan's full of Trump supporters (Score:3)
Good (Score:3, Insightful)
It's a safe bet that given the chance Trump will spend the next 11 days coyly suggesting the election was stolen. Go watch his "concession" speech. At no time did he say "I concede" or words to that effect, just that there will be a transition. And his Secretary of State had already said there would be a peaceful transition "to another 4 years of Trump".
If you leave him on Twitter inauguration day is going to make the 6th look like a rowdy picnic. At this point I would prefer to see him impeached and removed from office with the help of the GOP, or the 25th amendment applied. But cutting off his ability to incite violence will have to do.
And if you think I'm over reacting, read this [slate.com]. We should be freaking the hell out right now.
Re: Good (Score:2, Interesting)
Impeached and removed is the best option. If they convict him they can also declare his disqualified for holding further federal office. Hawley and Cruz should see that as a win, as should Pence,, because you know right now Trump still wants to run for president in 2024, or at least act like he will. And as long as he does he us a major obstacle for anyone in the GOP with presidential aspirations, even after the events if this week.
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Re: Good (Score:5, Informative)
Hawley and Criz have their own problems to deal with.
Hawley had his book deal revoked [khou.com] and is being shunned by mentors and donors. The two major newspapers in Missouri have mercilessly lambasted Hawley for helping to foment the insurrection [reuters.com].
Meanwhile, Cruz, as well as Hawley, are being told to step down [independent.co.uk]. Mind you, Cruz stated what he really thought about the con artist [cbsnews.com] in 2016:
"I'm going to do something I haven't done for the entire campaign, for those of you all who've traveled with me, all across the country. I'm going to tell you what I really think of Donald Trump," Cruz said. "This man is a pathological liar. He doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. He lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth." And Cruz added, "The man is utterly amoral. Morality does not exist for him."
He went on to characterize Trump's rhetoric as "a mindless yell," and he called him "a narcissist at a level I don't think this country's ever seen. Donald Trump is such a narcissist that Barack Obama looks at him and goes, 'Dude, what's your problem?'"
And yet, for the past four years Cruz has been an ardent defender of the con artist, up to and including defending the seditious lies about a "rigged" election and objecting to the vote tallies.
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And if you think I'm over reacting, read this [slate.com]. We should be freaking the hell out right now.
Clearly those were Patriots simply there to keep order and arrest any Antifa they run across.
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Look at Milo Yiannopoulos and similar provocateurs. The only real solution is to deplatform them. Otherwise their constant stream of "Won't someone rid me of this meddlesome priest" style hints inevitably results in violence.
De-platform them before they can de-platform us? That's not exactly what you typed but that's how it should read.
Here's an idea, allow everyone to speak and let the best argument win. If this is a "king of the hill" fight to who can de-platform first to silence the rest then it's just tyranny. It may be tyranny with a thumbs up and smiley emoticon to block out the other team on social media but it's still just closing the other person down for saying something you disagree with.
Watch me get modded down f
Re:Good (Score:5, Interesting)
Here's an idea, allow everyone to speak and let the best argument win.
That is an idea; the problem is that it's an idea that has been shown not to work, because on the Internet the worst argument wins.
The best argument takes time to research and compose, and often doesn't push any emotional buttons, because it is aiming for accuracy, not sensationalization.
By the time it has been posted, 300 false conspiracy theories have already gone up, been retweeted a million times, and taken over the mindspace; nobody is going to notice the good argument.
Maybe in a world where every Internet user was a dispassionate rationalist, your idea would work, but clearly that is not the world we live in.
So whatever the solution is, we know for a fact that "let the best argument win" is not a solution.
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By the time it has been posted, 300 false conspiracy theories have already gone up, been retweeted a million times, and taken over the mindspace; nobody is going to notice the good argument.
Maybe in a world where every Internet user was a dispassionate rationalist, your idea would work, but clearly that is not the world we live in.
So whatever the solution is, we know for a fact that "let the best argument win" is not a solution.
"The stupid plebeians can't handle it" has been the counterargument to every extension of liberty ever devised, whether the ability to vote, choose a church, even being freed as a slave. Those with the power to say no have always imagined their guiding benevolence as a far better state for all concerned than letting the riffraff be allowed to have their freedom and get it wrong.
But so far the free societies have very quickly produced vaccines, rocketships, computers, and not working a life of incessant bon
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Sleep in your own bed. That one is Twitter's bed, that one is Apple's bed, and that one is Google's bed. And they're allowed to boot people out for almost any reason that they wish.
If your bed is so much better, then you'll outcompete them. The problem is, your bed is infested with XDR gonorrhea.
Re: Good (Score:5, Insightful)
Because that's a stupid idea and you should feel bad. All we need to know about good ideas winning in the internet is that this is the age of anti-vaxxers and measles making a comeback. Decades of evidence and the best ideas, washed away in a hot second by a grifter and some idiot celebrity. That's bad enough, and you want to continue to let violent people that hate other folks for the colour of their skin just hash their ideas out, like racism has some moral value worth talking about?
Whether or not people are deserving of rights based on how they were born is not a discussion. Racists, anti-semites, homophobes and the rest can get fucked, and I donâ(TM)t give two shits about their "good ideas".
There's really no question that Trump's rhetoric was an incitement to violence, constantly talking about "fighting back" because the election had been "stolen". All brazen, outright, obvious lies that eventually got people killed.
Seriously, Twitter? (Score:5, Insightful)
Are you really going to try and convince us you would have gone this route if the capitol breach occurred a year ago?
Six months ago? No.
You act like the Republican appointees who just quit. You waited until the last two minutes to make people think you have a conscience.
Re:Seriously, Twitter? (Score:5, Interesting)
Are you really going to try and convince us you would have gone this route if the capitol breach occurred a year ago?
Six months ago? No.
You act like the Republican appointees who just quit. You waited until the last two minutes to make people think you have a conscience.
They've wanted to ban him for years.
But they knew there'd be a massive "conservative censorship" backlash if they did.
But then on Wednesday Trump's goons invaded the Capitol building, forcing GOP Legislators to literally fear for their lives. And that finally gave Twitter enough breathing room to suspend Trump.
Since then it has also come out that Trump not only held back the National Guard WHILE the mob was in the building, but got confused as to why his aides didn't find the whole episode as awesome as he did.
I'm not sure how pissed off at Trump those GOP Senators and Congresspeople are... but I'm guessing it's very pissed off.
Either way, Twitter realized that if they're ever going to ban Trump now is the time because no one is going to lift a finger in his defence.
Nothing to do with conscience (Score:3)
In short, this was a real attempt at a coup. Likely by some ex military folk. And there wasn't near
They always planned this (Score:2)
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conflicted about free speech (Score:5, Interesting)
This is not an easy decision.
Trump has behaved in an irresponsible manner, and ultimately caused chaos and loss of life. But, I am on the camp that likes ACLU supporting rights of extreme Na-zi groups. And that was done by a Jewish lawyer non the least: https://www.aclu.org/other/acl... [aclu.org]
This is a very thin and difficult line to walk.
Trump has arguably met the Brandenburg standard (Score:3)
I tend towards being fairly free-speech absolutist as well, but even with our 1st Am there needs to be some ability to restrict; I'm pretty comfortable with the standard laid out by the SCOTUS in Brandenburg v. Ohio, where they held that speech may be restricted if it is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and is likely to incite or produce such action".
It doesn't take much convincing for me to think many of Trump's public statements reach that bar.
Re:conflicted about free speech (Score:5, Informative)
This is not an easy decision.
Trump has behaved in an irresponsible manner, and ultimately caused chaos and loss of life. But, I am on the camp that likes ACLU supporting rights of extreme Na-zi groups. And that was done by a Jewish lawyer non the least: https://www.aclu.org/other/acl... [aclu.org]
This is a very thin and difficult line to walk.
No, not at all.
The First Amendment protects you and me from the government. It does not protect you and me from each other. Nor does it protect you and me from social media, or social media from us.
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How is this a 1st amendment issue? (Score:2)
Uh-oh (Score:5, Funny)
He's going to start posting here. I'm given to understand that he strongly prefers vi over Emacs.
Re: Uh-oh (Score:5, Funny)
Of course he does, his hands are too small to perform most of the emacs command chords.
Conservative radio (Score:4, Insightful)
What about the nuts with free reign on radio? They are using the FCC's airwaves. Shouldn't talk show hosts offer a platform to everyone without being selective?
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Blue state money problems? False. Reference: https://wallethub.com/edu/stat... [wallethub.com]
Roundup of terrorists is ongoing (Score:3)
With too many to list, many of the more infamous people who attacked the capitol and police are being rounded up. The guy who was pictured sitting in Nancy Peolosi's office chair? Arrested. A West Virginia state lawmaker [cnn.com], recently installed in office, arrested. In one case, a woman identified her mother, uncle and aunt from pictures taken from the assault because she has been kicked out of her family for going to BLM protest marches and other views. In all cases, these people could be brought up on sedition charges [reuters.com]. Even better, the con artist and his family could also be brought up on these charges for their comments and actions.
As far back as September of 2019, one former member of the military and a news pundit said the con artist could face sedition charges [dailycaller.com] for inciting violence.
“One word, sedition,” said Peters. “Trump is inciting violence against the legitimate government of the United States and the constitutional order. And, Anderson, that is a grave crime. You can argue about the meaning of treason, what constitutes it, what doesn’t. Sedition is very clear cut, and you can ask your lawyers. To me this is as bald and plain as it can be.”
Stating that there would not be an actual civil war, Peters did compare Trump’s situation to that of “a developing third world dictator.”
“He’s got to stay on the throne to stay out of prison or in many cases worse,” he said. “Trump, he’s afraid. He’s a frightened, frightened man because if he loses the election and it’s not a forgone conclusion that he will, but if he does, he’s gonna face the rest of his life in courtrooms, perhaps in prison.”
Censorship again (Score:3)
Be careful what you wish for. The beast of censorship is always hungry and its appetite is never quenched. Ultimately, it can lead to you being the one that's censored.
Walled Gardens (Score:3)
Remember the early days of the Internet, before walled gardens like Facebook and Twitter existed, when you ran your own gopher or web server, your own services, published your own content, and search engines crawled all this to index it. Maybe I would finger you to see what was new.. And we still can.
We've lost something in the outsourcing and centralization.
Re:And in the past 5 months... (Score:4, Insightful)
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I clicked your links, seems like it's not still up on Twitter.
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Also, while I am at it, in response to myself, WHAT THE HELL IS A PERMANENT SUSPENSION?
It's either a ban or a suspension. A suspension implies that at some point in the future the account could be unsuspended. Which means it would not be permanent. Which is why a "permanent suspension" makes absolutely no sense. 0 for 2 today, Twitter.
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A permanent suspension means you can still log in with the account and use the account to view other people's tweets, and you can still interact with your existing messages, etc. You just can't post anything ever again.
So your wild pedanticism is lazy and incorrect.
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I understand that we have rights.
No. No you do not.
If you ever get curious, like during a pandemic lockdown, I recommend reading about what Rights we have.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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I understand that we have rights. But only as it is convenient to you. What you mean is: the law binds but does not protect YOU. And the law protects but does not bind THEM. This is Conservatism at it's most elemental.
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It's pretty damned obvious it isn't the president.
It is very clear that Big Tech has more power than President Trump. He couldn't do a thing to them despite trying very hard and he is now banned, all his businesses are banned, and platforms like Parler that dared to not ban him get pulled out of everywhere. Sure, Trump deserved a lot of it, but this is about power, not comeuppance for Trump. Or they would have done it a lot earlier, when he done his act first hundred times.
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What about the sensible people on the right? Their voice has been removed as well.
How is that, exactly?
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The stated ethos of the mob was to "stop the steal", or in other words, stop the counting of the electoral college votes that gave Biden the win to transition power to him and end the Trump presidency. Doing so by fo
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"and i say this despite all that's happened the best is yet to come so we're going to we're going to walk down pennsylvania avenue" is "potentially egregious" in your mind?
In spite of your claims, the US standard for criminal incitement [wikipedia.org] is actually higher than "a clear call to violence" -- it must be "directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action" (and also "likely to incite or produce such action"). You have not even come close to showing that first part.
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A lot of conservative voices unrelated to anything that happened in D.C. got purged along with it.
I thought conservatives were supposed to be pro free market. It's funny how much you love the invisible hand when it's punching other people in the nuts.
Your ideas failed in the free marketplace of ideas: it turns out there was no profit in them. Live by the invisible hand, die by the invisible hand. Of course if you want to concede that the free market isn't all it's cracked up to be and a bit of government co