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Parler CEO Complains Vendors 'All Ditched Us Too', While Confused Users Download 'Porn-y' App Parlor (theverge.com) 631

The Verge reports: The CEO of the conservative-friendly social app Parler said that all of its vendors have abandoned the company following recent bans from Google, Apple, and Amazon. "Every vendor, from text message services to email providers to our lawyers, all ditched us too, on the same day," Parler CEO John Matze said in an interview with Fox News on Sunday...

Matze said that it was having difficulties finding a new vendor to work with. "We're going to try our best to get back online as quickly as possible, but we're having a lot of trouble because every vendor we talk to says they won't work with us. Because if Apple doesn't approve and Google doesn't approve, then they won't."

But the app also has another problem, reports Mashable: The number two most downloaded free app in both Apple's App Store and the Google Play Store is an app called Parlor. That's Parlor with an "o," not an "e."

Coincidence? We think not.

Parlor is a "social talking app" in which people can get on and talk with strangers about different topics. It's been around for 10 years according to the app listing, and, Sensor Tower data indicates it had 40,000 downloads as of December 2020. Its reviews are not great to say the least, and it looks, well, pretty porn-y.

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Parler CEO Complains Vendors 'All Ditched Us Too', While Confused Users Download 'Porn-y' App Parlor

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  • No one are forced to (Score:4, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:39AM (#60924518)

    No one are forced to, you can just build your own vendors!

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:27AM (#60924684)

      Turns out Obama was right.
      You didn't make that.

      All these self important, pull themselves up by their bootstraps, individualists, all need a little bit of help after all...
      Welcome to society, try to fit in.

    • Comment removed (Score:5, Informative)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:10AM (#60925512)
      Comment removed based on user account deletion
      • by HiThere ( 15173 )

        Umn...when the article said "vendor" I heard "advertiser" rather than "service provider". If your interpretation is right, he's lying. If mine is right, nobody wants their name associated with him.

  • by danger zone ( 2172 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:41AM (#60924522) Homepage Journal

    step 1: create a paid app named "Parlure"
    step 2: lure in the Parler crowd
    step 3: profit!

  • by Ecuador ( 740021 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:43AM (#60924526) Homepage

    If your own lawyers (a group not famous for making decisions based on conscience, ethics etc) ditch you, is it a good idea to try and "get back online as quickly as possible", at least not without some changes?

    But we've had enough topics about this. Private companies are free to accept whomever they want as a customer and interpret their own terms of service the way they feel like (nobody complained when they've been doing that forever - Apple rejecting my apps for pretty "ingenious" and ever changing interpretations of their TOS is BAU). And in this case, I would actually side with the many companies who feel like this was more coup/domestic terroris/attack on democracy than any sort of legitimate protest. But it still doesn't matter. For example, "the cloud" is simply somebody else's servers, if you want to do anything you like, get your own servers. etc.

    • by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:47AM (#60924538)

      Private companies are free to accept whomever they want as a customer and interpret their own terms of service the way they feel like

      I have posted them before, but Parler's own TOS says (paraphrasing) they owe no obligation to anyone for use of their service or to make posts. In fact, prior to a recent change, their TOS said they could ban you even if you followed their rules.

      So yeah. A bit hypocritical for them to whine about no one working with them when they claim the same right.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:00AM (#60924574)

        That's not even the funniest part (keep in mind, Parler advertises itself as "conservative-friendly").

        A few years ago, a bakery run by retarded "conservatives" pursued a lawsuit, about a gay-themed wedding cake, all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. And they won. The Supreme Court ruled that a private business can refuse service to anyone, for any reason. The ruling was praised by "conservatives" as a huge win for "religious freedom"

        As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because you might get it.

        Thanks to that lawsuit, and the Supreme Court, which is also dominated by "conservatives", it is now officially the law of the land -- private companies can refuse to do business with you, for any reason they want. They don't even have to have a reason. And it's all perfectly legal.

        You could have just baked the cake and shut the fuck up.

        To Parler, and all of the other retards who are now complaining about being "de-platformed" there is only one thing to say: You won. You got what you wanted. What's the problem?

        • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:52AM (#60924782)

          Are you talking about the Masterpiece Cake case? The Supreme Court never said what you claim it did. It pretty much said the opposite regarding discrimination against customers, which it that you cannot.
            The Supreme court case was about whether the state of Colorado had been actively hostile to religion when it treated Masterpiece Cake differently than it had treated other cake companies who refused to bake anti-gay messages into cakes.

          Here is the ruling. Masterpiece Cake is one of the most mis-characterized cases ever.
          https://www.supremecourt.gov/o... [supremecourt.gov]

          • In the details you are of course correct but the GP is very much spot on tangentially. The Supreme Court case hinged dealing with a protected class and the ruling hinged on the details of what goes into the creation of said cake. That doesn't change the fact that a conservative business owner wanted to chose with whom they do business.

            The GP is still very much on point: conservatives were the ones pushing a picky agenda.

        • by magzteel ( 5013587 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:28AM (#60924906)

          That's not even the funniest part (keep in mind, Parler advertises itself as "conservative-friendly").

          A few years ago, a bakery run by retarded "conservatives" pursued a lawsuit, about a gay-themed wedding cake, all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. And they won.

          This is a complete mischaracterization of the Masterpiece Bakery case. The owner said they were welcome to buy anything in his shop but he felt that due to his religious beliefs he could not create a custom decorated cake for a gay wedding. The ruling was about religious freedom.
          Moreover the impact of his exercise of religion is extremely limited. He was one small shop in a sea of shops. He wasn't trying to prevent their wedding or to prevent them from shopping elsewhere. The reverse is true, the state and various litigants have tried to hound him out of business.

        • Re: (Score:5, Insightful)

          by srichard25 ( 221590 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:57AM (#60925054)

          There's a pretty significant difference between denying custom service at a small bakery and the largest tech companies in the world working together to destroy another tech company. See US Anti-Trust laws.

          • There's a pretty significant difference between denying custom service at a small bakery and the largest tech companies in the world working together to destroy another tech company. See US Anti-Trust laws.

            We can argue all day about whether Faceboot is a tech company, but Parler is provably not a tech company. They don't have any of their own tech whatsoever. Hell, they didn't even license the tech they were using to "protect" PII, just used a free trial.

          • by HiThere ( 15173 )

            If you prove collusion, you've got a point. If the independently look at the same facts and make the same decision, you don't. And proving collusion is ALWAYS difficult, even with taped evidence.

          • Lawsuits target those who can pay.

            People have now been killed as a result of prompting by messages transmitted on Parler. The surviving family members' lawyers will pursue lawsuits against Parler, understanding it will likely declare bankruptcy. They'll climb up the chain and add the infrastructure providers who allowed this to happen in violation of their TOS. Apple, Google, and AWS are stepping out of scope of liability by enforcing their TOS.
  • by Lisandro ( 799651 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:44AM (#60924528)

    Remember when the source code for it leaked and it was all PHP with the master database password stored on plaintext?

    It gets better: https://twitter.com/BirdRespec... [twitter.com]

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Lisandro ( 799651 )

      Holy SHIT, it really gets better!

      https://twitter.com/RealOGAnon... [twitter.com]

    • This is the essential problem with right-wing tech: finding competent workers. Tech workers are always leftie snowflakes, and I mean that in the best possible sense.
  • by SuricouRaven ( 1897204 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:01AM (#60924578)

    Look at Parler's business: They promote themselves as being a 'pro-free-speech' platform, specifically to attract all of the people who have been banned from more mainstream social media for one reason or another. Of course this is going to lead to a very unpleasant, even toxic community.

    If your user community consists mostly of people who have been kicked off of facebook and youtube, don't be surprised when all your own suppliers don't want to touch them either.

    Time to go rent a few VMs from some shady outfit in Russia.

  • by leonbev ( 111395 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:01AM (#60924580) Journal

    If you go to parler.com right now, you get a "host not found" error. I wasn't really expecting the site to be fully up, but I figured that they would have a splash page up by now at their new hosting provider explaining why the site is down.

    AWS gave them 2 days warning. You would think that would have been more than enough time to redirect their DNS entries to point to another web server hosted somewhere else.

  • by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:13AM (#60924622) Homepage

    As Technollama writes [technollama.co.uk], de-platforming is a seriously problematic idea.

    The article on Ars Technica about Parler has a fascinating comments section. Comment 160 [arstechnica.com] calls conservatives the N-word-we-cannot-post-here, calls for killing them all, and illustrates this with a picture of corpses. This comment is nicely upvoted. Two comments later, we get "They still deserve to be shot twice in the head and once in the heart with a .50 caliber desert eagle". This is not isolated stuff - I only mention this specific example, because so many people deny that liberals would ever promote violence.

    Can we de-platform the left now? Does AWS host Ars Technica?

  • by Viol8 ( 599362 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:16AM (#60924636) Homepage

    .. it does show up the risk companies have with using cloud based services for their entire operation. For now its just AWS, Apple etc booting off a far right forum which I doubt many people will cry about, but in the future with fickle CEOs anyone could be at their mercy. In fact Tim Cook already blocked a documentary about Gawker on Apple TV simply because Gawker were a bit mean to him. Diddums. Is that the way we want new media going? Its bad enough with the old media doing it.

    • by leonbev ( 111395 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:07AM (#60924838) Journal

      Dumb question for anyone that works at Parler or knows someone who does... did AWS actually give you guys a real chance to implement an improved content moderation system, or did they just cut suddenly cut you off with 24 hours notice?

      If it was more of the latter instead of the former, I think that anybody who relies on AWS for hosting should be worried about this behavior. I'd rather not have to worry about my business getting shut down overnight because something that one of my users said just happened to piss off Jeff Bezos.

      • Dumb question for anyone that works at Parler or knows someone who does... did AWS actually give you guys a real chance to implement an improved content moderation system, or did they just cut suddenly cut you off with 24 hours notice?

        They got two days' notice, but it wasn't for failing to implement an improved content moderation system. It was for hosting the planning for a violent insurrection.

        If they had implemented a functional content moderation system, they would never have come to this pass. They spent their time removing liberals from their platform instead of insurrectionists, and now they are reaping what they have sown. Why cry for them? They got exactly what they were asking for.

      • The far left and the far right, plus many in the center left and right, a vast majority of America, wants the corporate money out of politics. But because of the inability to agree on some basic facts, and the resulting tribalism, the corporate money is winning and we all are second class citizens to big money.

        It’s unlikely we will be able to solve any of these problems until we get down to the core reason we can’t get sensible policy that a vast majority of Americans want.
  • by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:24AM (#60924662)

    On top of everything else, people who participated in the attempted overthrow of the government are now finding themselves on the no-fly list. Why? Because they're considered terrorists. This short video [9cache.com] shows their reaction to learning this little fact.

    And now they can't even whine about it to all those other "patriots".

  • by VAElynx ( 2001046 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:24AM (#60924666)
    In two years or so, this precedent will be used to crush Antifa and whatever else left-wing element that won't be happy with Biden/Harris brand of corporate "left" politics aimed at making the poor poorer and instigating wars abroad. After all, look how much effort was spent redirecting Occupy Wall Street away from the *actual* reasons everyone except the billionaires is worse off.

    This is roughly the same as cheering for corona because Trump and Giuliani got it. It's only funny if you don't think about the fact you're likely next on the chopping block.
    • by Jason Levine ( 196982 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:31AM (#60924928) Homepage

      If that group organizes an insurrection attempt that attempts to kill the Vice President and members of Congress, then great. Ban the entire lot. However, if you're talking about the left wing group staging a couple of protests that are meant to be peaceful, but where a handful of people riot, then it's a bad comparison and the rioters should be arrested.

      Parler was hosting people talking about not only last week's attack, but chatter about an even bigger attack on Inauguration Day. They were talking about going back with more guns and killing more people. Parler showed no signs of caring at all who said what on their site. (Unless you weren't a conservative, that is. For a "free speech" site, they'd ban you if you said negative things about Trump.) It devolved into a planning area for seditionists. Companies are allowed to decide that they don't want to be involved with that - and for good reason. Their legal departments alone likely don't want the headaches of being related to an attempted coup.

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:03AM (#60925088)
      right wing extremists just invaded the Capital Building with the intention of overturning an election that has been certified and scrutinized to the point where no doubt remains. They were encouraged by the President and his party (Ted Cruz Especially). Worse there is every indication that security at the Capital was kept lax by Trump and the GOP (Trump failed to call out the Guard and the GOP blocked attempts to reinforce the police).

      Oh, and for some added fun one of the rioters arrested needed a Russian interpreter. If you think there weren't spies mixed in with the rioters I've got some great beach front property to sell you in Kansas.

      The Capital fell under the watchful eye of Donald Trump and the Grand 'ole Party, and it's painfully obvious it was intentional. The only debate is if they thought it would be as bad as it was. This was a failed Coup attempt. We came a hair's breath from ending the Great Experiment. It's not about free speech anymore, it's about if we'll be a democracy anymore.

      And just to Godwin this thread, Hitler had a failed coup attempt too, and they went easy on him. Ten years later Germany was a dictatorship.
      • To be fair, the capital didn't actually fall. It was invaded, but the defenders were not defeated, and the invaders were eventually repulsed. The defenders could have got rid of them a lot faster, but there would have been blood everywhere.

        Everything else you said, OTOH, was completely correct.

        And just to Godwin this thread, Hitler had a failed coup attempt too, and they went easy on him. Ten years later Germany was a dictatorship.

        Mike Godwin has gone on record saying that it's not inappropriate to invoke Hitler in similar, Trump-related circumstances, not that he's the arbiter.

    • Oh shut up. Corporations aren't censoring anyone. This is about refusing service plain and simple.

  • Contracts (Score:5, Insightful)

    by The Evil Atheist ( 2484676 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:01AM (#60924814)
    Why are all the libertarians here not cheering for contract law? They want regulations to be replaced by contracts. They want corporations to have all the power. Amazon and other companies are enforcing their contracts. Why is that unacceptable to you now?
  • by davide marney ( 231845 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:04AM (#60924830) Journal

    I have used AWS since its founding to host some non-profit content. After hearing about Parler, I re-read the terms of service again just to refresh my memory. The terms speak of not allowing harmful or illegal content and give examples.

    It was not clear to me at all how any of the policies of Parler could be considered a violation of these terms. Either the terms themselves are being interpreted very broadly, or they were not applied evenly.

    I went in a request to AWS for an explanation, because naturally I found this quite alarming. Must I now submit all my content to AWS for review? What are the real rules?

    My operation is the smallest of the small, but it deserves to be treated as fairly as the big guys.

    • by sinij ( 911942 )
      The rules are: When the call goes out to blackhole someone and you don't fall in line and do exactly that, you get blackholed along with them. This means no cloud, no hosting, no DNS, no payment processing, no access to digital advertisement.
    • by Jason Levine ( 196982 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:35AM (#60924942) Homepage

      The terms speak of not allowing harmful or illegal content and give examples.

      It was not clear to me at all how any of the policies of Parler could be considered a violation of these terms.

      Parler hosted people planning a coup against the United States. There were multiple instances of people encouraging violence against anyone on the left. After the attempted coup, Parler hosted people talking about a engaging in a second incident on Inauguration Day, but with more guns. Do you see how this is "harmful or illegal content"?

    • A) They don't owe you shit.
      B) They are exercising their right to free association.
  • by Pimpy ( 143938 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:22AM (#60924886)

    I'd be more incensed if I were looking for porn and accidentally ended up in some conspiracy fruitcake echo chamber.

  • by oldgraybeard ( 2939809 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:30AM (#60924918)
    I would have expected less of that. This IS a huge problem and may come back to bite those celebrating now in ways they can not imagine.

    Just goes to show many people are really bad winners.
  • by rockmuelle ( 575982 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:41AM (#60924976)

    This is slashdot, so it seems appropriate to ask this here.

    It’s not rocket science to run your own secured servers for a simple database backed app. That’s literally what we all did in the 90s. Heck, I still do it on occasion from home.

    Scaling, you say? Again, not rocket science. In fact, with nginx it’s even easier than it was back in the Apache days.

    Hardware? We used to support 300k transactions a second on hardware that’s less powerful than a typical gaming PC.

    Hosting? You don’t need it.

    UI? You don’t need apps for this, a browser is just fine.

    The only part you need to rely on outside providers for is your connection to the internet. I’m sure there are some Trump supporters out there who run ISPs that would gladly sell some bandwidth. And just to close the last scaling/reliability argument: get a few of these and distribute your severs.

    It’s not rocket science.

    (For the record, I fully support the deplatforming of Parler... I’m just shocked no one from that side of the political spectrum can setup a basic interactive web site).

  • by MiniMike ( 234881 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:37AM (#60925298)

    I think it's ironic that in comparison with the "pretty porn-y" Parlor app, it's Parler which is having trouble with exposure!

  • Section 230 (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DaveV1.0 ( 203135 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:46AM (#60925342) Journal
    People on Parler: "We need to repeal section 230 so companies can be held liable for what people post!"

    Vendors for Parler: *Looks at what is being posted on Parler* "Bye bye!" *ends relationship with Parler because of what people are posting*

    Parler: "How dare our vendors care about what people post on Parler and stop doing business with us?!?"

    People on Parler: "How dare companies care what we post?!? It's not like they are held liable for what we post!!"
  • by freedom_surfer ( 203272 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:47AM (#60925814) Homepage

    I'm gonna guess they didn't have a viable recovery plan. Womp womp.

    But in all seriousness, this is the danger of a few cloud providers and reduced competition. It will only get worse as independent datacenters die off and the options for hosting get further reduced. All the eggs are getting put in fewer and fewer baskets.

    Let's be clear though, Parler is in a terrible position because it didn't have robust enough contingency plans in place. If my entire business model depended on hosting content, I would damn well make sure I had plan in place to bring that content up elsewhere as needed, even if self hosted at reduced capacity.

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