Scraped Parler Data Is a Metadata Gold Mine (techcrunch.com) 333
An anonymous reader quotes a report from TechCrunch: Embattled social media platform Parler is offline after Apple, Google and Amazon pulled the plug on the site after the violent riot at the U.S. Capitol last week that left five people dead. But while the site is gone (for now), millions of posts published to the site since the riot are not. A lone hacker scraped millions of posts, videos and photos published to the site after the riot but before the site went offline on Monday, preserving a huge trove of potential evidence for law enforcement investigating the attempted insurrection by many who allegedly used the platform to plan and coordinate the breach of the Capitol.
The hacker and internet archivist, who goes by the online handle @donk_enby, scraped the social network and uploaded copies to the Internet Archive, which hosts old and historical versions of web pages. In a tweet, @donk_enby said she scraped data from Parler that included deleted and private posts, and the videos contained "all associated metadata." The scraped videos from Parler appear to also include the precise location data of where the videos were taken. That metadata could be a gold mine of evidence for authorities investigating the Capitol riot, which may tie some rioters to their Parler accounts or help police unmask rioters based on their location data.
The hacker and internet archivist, who goes by the online handle @donk_enby, scraped the social network and uploaded copies to the Internet Archive, which hosts old and historical versions of web pages. In a tweet, @donk_enby said she scraped data from Parler that included deleted and private posts, and the videos contained "all associated metadata." The scraped videos from Parler appear to also include the precise location data of where the videos were taken. That metadata could be a gold mine of evidence for authorities investigating the Capitol riot, which may tie some rioters to their Parler accounts or help police unmask rioters based on their location data.
Metadata gold mine? (Score:3)
or source for federal indictments?
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Re:Metadata gold mine? (Score:5, Interesting)
Funny you should mention that:
"Talk radio company orders hosts to stop suggesting election was stolen from Trump..."
https://thehill.com/homenews/m... [thehill.com]
Now you're going to find out, if you didn't already really know, that right wing talk radio is basically the political version of pro wrestling. None of these guys believe any of the shit they spout, they do it because it's entertainment and it makes their employers money. But when the owners start getting nervous that they might be tarred with the brush of supporting sedition, you find out they really are just actors, and they do exactly what they are told; whether that's to attack the election, or presto chango, never talk about a stolen election again, on pain of being pretty much instantly fired.
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The article mentions Three radio show hosts. I have only listened to one, Shapiro, and he has never suggested that the election was stolen. In fact, he has pushed back against such allegations.
Re:Metadata gold mine? (Score:5, Insightful)
Oooh! I know! Terrorists are going to jail because they are so brainwashed, they did not stop to think they were committing serious federal crimes. They really thought that America was on their side, just waiting for those heroic patriots to stand up, before we all joined them (except for the dirty liberals who aren't really American) in taking back our government.
In reality, of course, the only fraud was on their side, coming straight from their con artist leader. Because Trump is as stupid and incompetent as they are, both his election fraud and his attempted coup failed miserably. Then, without even a thought, he proceeded to throw them all under the bus. Because that's what malignant narcissists do.
So all these self proclaimed patriotic heroes are going to jail for a long, long time. And being the cowards they are, all of them will rat on each other. They're just so fucked, and they don't even understand why.
I mean, they thought they would go invade the capitol, take some congress people and senators hostage, maybe rape and kill a few, then hop on a plane and go back to their jobs and families. Some brought their kids. Some brought their elderly parents.
In the end, they only managed to kill other Trump supporters, like that cop they viciously beat to death. With flags. While singing the star spangled banner.
Which only goes to show that the only thing "Blue lives matter" ever really meant was "Black lives don't matter." They don't give a rat's ass for the lives of police, or anyone really. They're terrorists. And failures.
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well put sir!
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“This is not America,” a woman said to a small group, her voice shaking. She was crying, hysterical. “They’re shooting at us. They’re supposed to shoot BLM, but they’re shooting the patriots.”
from: https://www.thenation.com/arti... [thenation.com]
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Left without further comment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Re:Metadata gold mine? (Score:5, Insightful)
At no time in recent history has it ever been so uncontroversial to wear a facemask, but even while committing federal crimes on camera these traitors chose not to do so because FREEDIMZ
Re:Metadata gold mine? (Score:5, Interesting)
In reality, of course, the only fraud was on their side, coming straight from their con artist leader. Because Trump is as stupid and incompetent as they are, both his election fraud and his attempted coup failed miserably. Then, without even a thought, he proceeded to throw them all under the bus. Because that's what malignant narcissists do.
I think you overestimate Trump's incompetence. It's okay, most people do, it's part of the con. Hear me out.
Most people are believers in Hanlon's razor, [wikipedia.org] "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Trump knows this, and deliberately acts incompetent in certain circumstances. That has two results:
1. His opponents underestimate his ability, and are unprepared when he performs well. (see Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign)
2. He can use his "incompetence" as an alibi against allegations of wrongdoing.
I heard people like Scott Adams claim Trump was actually a genius, but never believed it until Wednesday. For a man that "doesn't read anything," [theweek.com] It certainly seems that he has read a lot about how to become a dictator.
Legal scholars have all been criticizing the Trump campaign's poor legal work. This is on purpose. It's not a legal case, it's a propaganda machine, with the goal of sparking Wednesday's riot. Complete with a poorly worded speech that was enough to fire up an angry mob, but falling short of any legal culpability.
It's not stupidity, it's malice made to look like stupidity.
Re:Metadata gold mine? (Score:5, Insightful)
Eh, he's got a certain cunning. But he is both mentally ill, and getting senile. Whatever things he may be doing that look smart, are almost certainly planned by, oh say, Stephen Miller.
Narcissists don't need to read theory to understand how to manipulate weak willed, cowardly people. It doesn't take brains. It's just that the sorts of behaviors narcissists engage in work very well against angry idiots. Which is probably why narcissist genes haven't been bred out of the species long ago.
Re:Metadata gold mine? (Score:5, Informative)
We know what Trump reads:
"Donald Trump's ex-wife once said Trump kept a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed" [businessinsider.com]
You are confusing IQ with EQ. Trump has a low IQ, low curiosity, but a high EQ, which as a sociopath means that he is able to influence people.
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Re:Metadata gold mine? (Score:5, Informative)
A delayed vote count doesn't change the outcome
Enough of a delay could. If there isn't a president-elect by January 20, the House of Representatives gets to elect the president, with each state getting one vote.
Re:Metadata gold mine? (Score:4, Informative)
I think in the insurrectionists' minds, they thought that Trump was going to call out the Army to finish the job once they'd seized Congress. Now it may be delusional (but then again, so were the conspirators against Julius Caesar), but these guys clearly thought they were part of a larger plan to overthrow Congress. That's why they were after Pence, because they had completely bought into Trump's claim that the VP has some actual constitutional role to play, and that if he couldn't fulfill his ceremonial duty of reading the Electoral vote totals and announcing the next President and Vice-president, and enough of the Democrats (who they regard as traitors) were removed from the equation, then Trump would win the Presidency.
Now admittedly it was a shitty plan, but these are pretty shitty deluded people. First of all, to actually believe so fervently in a man as notoriously unreliable as Trump makes me question any of his supporters' sanity. But they imagined the President had their back, that all they needed to do was shut down the certification, and the President would take care of the rest. And you know what, they came awfully fucking close. The woman who was shot was trying to get into a hallway where lawmakers were being lead to safety. There was at least one guy there with restraint-grade zip ties. There were people looking for Pence and Pelosi. That these people were fucking moronic seditionists doesn't make them any less seditionists.
Re: Metadata gold mine? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sure. They really thought they were heroes. Sure, not all of them planned on murder and rape. But the guys with special zip tie handcuffs sure did. They people who dragged that Trump supporting officer into the crowd and beat him to death sure did. The ones who knew exactly where secret congressional offices were, and went straight there sure did.
Some were just useful idiots, providing cover for the real conservative terrorists. But that does not excuse any of them. In DC, if a murder is committed while you are in the process of committing another felony, you will be charged with felony murder. So all of those who stole items from the capitol building should be charged with murder as well.
Stop trying to defend the indefensible. It's not a good look.
Re: Metadata gold mine? (Score:5, Interesting)
Seriously, you live in a bubble if all this is news to you. Doesn't change the facts. It's on every major news program. Yes, the right wing radicals were posting about how they were planning on raping AOC, even Pelosi.
The officer who was pulled into the Trumpist terrorist crowd and beaten to death was Brian Sicknick.
https://www.uscp.gov/media-cen... [uscp.gov]
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08... [cnn.com]
We aren't talking about BLM here. Nice try at distracting. We're talking about you all trying a coup, and failing. We're talking about over 100+ arrests. All of which will stick.
Stop trying to defend this violent insurrection. Stop trying to deflect. I condemn violence done by BLM and anyone else. I challenge you to find where I say political violence is okay.
Your turn, coward. Denounce Trump and denounce political violence by your side. Admit that Trump was wrong to incite it, and the terrorists were wrong to perpetrate it.
Re: Metadata gold mine? (Score:4, Informative)
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Your own link says, he walked back to the precinct on his own. Certainly not "beaten to death" — you've been caught pushing a
His link states " He returned to his division office and collapsed. He was taken to a local hospital where he succumbed to his injuries. " Just because you don't immediately die from a gun shot wound doesn't mean the gun shoot wound didn't cause your death.
The woman was shot while attempting climb through the smashed out window, after being warned not to, with the officer and gun clearly visible and pointed at the window. She decided to ignore the order and attempted to climb through anyway and was shot because of that. You can't dispute this, the video is everywhere clearly documenting this. Stop spreading disinformation.
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Trump didn't "incite" anything — he complained of the election stolen from him.
Over 80 million Americans, legally, decided otherwise. You repeating this, however often in your head, does not make it factual in any reality.
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https://www.youtube.com/result... [youtube.com]
Oh, and by the way: Ashli Babbitt was a traitor who got what she deserved. Only traitors mourn her death.
Re: Metadata gold mine? (Score:5, Interesting)
"Petitioning government for redress of grievances" - by guys with zip-tie handcuffs, semi-automatic weapons, pipe bombs, and molotovs. The crowd was literally chanting [go.com], "Hang Mike Pence!". Sure, you can tell yourself it was all innocent, but don't expect us to fall for it.
As for "circumstances aren't clear"?? There is footage [tmz.com] of the mob beating the poor officer while he's down, while yelling "Take him out!" Your own link has an Update saying the original stories were right after all - perhaps you should read it.
And what's the aim of your whataboutism with BLM protests and Antifa? Are you claiming the insurrectionists' actions were a justified response, or merely offering a distraction?
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guys with zip-tie handcuffs, semi-automatic weapons, pipe bombs, and molotovs
Bullshit.
https://www.nydailynews.com/ne... [nydailynews.com]
https://www.tampabay.com/news/... [tampabay.com]
https://apnews.com/article/don... [apnews.com]
https://www.justice.gov/usao-d... [justice.gov]
The crowd was literally chanting "Hang Mike Pence!".
More bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
There is ample proof of everything you claim is bullshit. You are either a troll, a spectacular dumbfuck, or both. If you wanted to verify or disprove these claims you'd have gone to google, instead of just spewing here. I guess this is why I have you foe'd already. You're a known bullshit artist. You spew bullshit, and to disguise this, you
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If you think it's unusual for kids to be brought along to violent attacks by American supremacists, I suggest you search "children at lynchings" and take a look at the images. It's routine for kids to be brought to these things and taught to see them as celebratory events.
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Just to recap...
What was the purpose of the people that broke into the Capitol building?
> 99% peaceful.
What US laws support their actions?
> take a hard look at what Antifa has done...
I think you are the only person, anywhere, that calls what happened at the Capitol 99% peaceful. You can't answer the second question because there are no laws that support what happened, it was criminal.
The fact that there were so few cops, and some of the cops supported the insurrection, already shows that whatever it i
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Oh shut up with BLM comparisons. Any violence they did was wrong. Now you say it: Trump and his supporters wrong to use violence.
Re:Metadata gold mine? (Score:4, Insightful)
Non-repudiation and proving chain of custody may be an issue.
Contact tracing (Score:5, Insightful)
Besides the armed insurrection it was also a super spreader event. Good to know we can do contact tracing on these "special people".
Re:Contact tracing (Score:5, Funny)
Besides the armed insurrection it was also a super spreader event.
I'm wondering which flavor of chemtrails were spread over DC that day.
Re:Contact tracing (Score:5, Informative)
I'm wondering which flavor of chemtrails were spread over DC that day.
You know they can't tell fantasy from reality, please don't spread crazy sauce on the murder hornet nest.
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I wasn't so lucky. I got the vaccine and died.
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glad i already had covid in april im immune
I can't tell if you're trolling or not, but evidence suggests that you may not actually develop immunity by contracting it.
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Nearly every single person at the protests you speak of wore a mask.
Re:Contact tracing (Score:5, Informative)
Violent: check. Against an authority or government: check.
It was an insurrection, bud. Just because it was poorly led and an epic fail doesn't mean it wasn't an insurrection.
Re:Contact tracing (Score:5, Informative)
Breaking through barricaded doors is not violent? You’re delusional.
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Just, you know, to stop appearing a hypocrite?
It's not hypnotical to support protests by minorities for equal rights and fair treatment while condemning a protest which is literally an insurrection on the government of the united states. Doing that just makes you a good person. Calling it hypocritical makes you either a moron without a functioning braincell or a low-life shitstain of society, which are you?
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I have it on good authority that burning cars and buildings and throwing projectiles at cops is a "peaceful protest."
No, you don't. What reich wing agitators do at peaceful protests to try to make the protestors look bad doesn't change the nature of the protest.
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They were Trump supporters, not "the right." And just because they're ineffective retards doesn't mean it wasn't an insurrection.
You haven't ever amused yourself with reading about how stupid criminals get caught? Stupidity and incompetence at crime never works as a criminal defense.
Calling bullshit (Score:2)
FBI says you are wrong. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/0... [cnbc.com]
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Two things can be true at the same time
Yes, people can tell lies, and you can believe lies.
The video you can hear things like stop Antifa and pulling them away from the capital building. But they have identified some of these guys as left wing activists.
No, they haven't. But they HAVE identified some of these guys as well-known white supremacists with ties to literally N@zi organizations.
As a pro trump person I can say I am happy anyone who rioted and broke into the Capitol will be arrested and punished.
What about anyone who incited insurrection against the capitol building? Because that would include Trump.
List of gullible people (Score:5, Insightful)
My first reaction was wow a list of extremely gullible people would be a marketing dream.
Forget law enforcement (Score:2)
Chain of evidence (Score:2)
Could any of that metadata be used in court? It seems to me that a third party accessing it and uploading it may not be admissible in court.
Though it is probably fine for investigation purposes.
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I'm sure that Amazon has all that metadata as well.
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It could likely be used in an investigation that finds other evidence though.
For example a warrant to get such and such a file, and then have a file that is usable.
A scary thought (Score:2)
I think it was on PBS or 60 Minutes (don't really know) that someone speculated; what if Trump uses his power to pardon all the insurrectionists en masse. Assuming there is a legal basis for that - Would the federal prosecutors have any recourse?
Could he do it and would it stick?
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I suspect this is part of the reason why there's the push for impeachment. The constitution states that the president "shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."
It's never come up in court, but a good lawyer could try to argue that it's related to the impeachment, and so can't be undone. (other people are going to argue that he simply can't undo the impeachment itself)
But they'd have start the impeachment process first, I would
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Charge them at the state level. There was a Parler thread circulating saying Trump would pardon you if you listed your crimes along with your name and address. You can’t make this shit up.
gotta catch 'em all! (Score:3)
What about Twitter's policy on hacked data? (Score:2)
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https://www.engadget.com/twitt... [engadget.com]
It had to do with personal information being published and was eventually unblocked.
Quality of data (Score:2)
I'm not even sure it would useful for social psych, and that's saying something.
Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)
Two wrongs... (Score:2)
Even if this data is "valuable", it is still "hacked", right? Claiming access to private posts, makes it even less likely being a legitimate public scrape operation.
Two wrongs do not make a right. Are we sure we want to go down this rabbit hole?
Where are the moderators here? (Score:5, Insightful)
A lot of "activists" trying to push an agenda here instead of responding about the article. Hacker gets private videos and posts including meta-data giving location of users mostly comprised of a political party and then posts the information publicly endangering those people. While some users of the site may have rioted at the Capitol Building, almost none did. This is the equivalent of a hacker getting ahold of Facebook data and posting it all so that people could prosecute BLM rioters.
It is a really sad day when the tech's are celebrating cyber terrorism against Americans.
Signed integer as auto-increment primary key! (Score:3)
That tells you everything you need to know about the kind of people behind Parler.
That's the kind of mistake *I* might make, which is why no one is letting me design a social network.
Re:Big problem here (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Big problem here (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Big problem here (Score:5, Funny)
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yes, and I see so many companies running to shut down reddit and Facebook for their part in it. Strange that.
Re:Big problem here (Score:5, Informative)
Reddit and Facebook have explicit policies about this stuff and...sort of..enforce them. The problem is e.g. there was a literal call for people to arm up for the next riot on Parler.
If Parler had simply said "we now have policies against incitement to violence or any unlawful activity" and started to at least half-ass enforce them they would have been fine. Instead their stupid CEO dude Bravehearted it, with a side of "Oh don't worry we have people fighting to host us!".
Re:Big problem here (Score:5, Informative)
That doesn't appear to be totally true WRT to AWS.
They specifically did propose half assed enforcement and Amazon basically said they're enforcement wasn't going to work.
From the Amazon letter:
It’s our view that this nascent plan to use volunteers to promptly identify and remove dangerous content will not work in light of the rapidly growing number of violent posts. This is further demonstrated by the fact that you still have not taken down much of the content that we’ve sent you.
They would have at least needed to actually remove the posts Amazon had already flagged for them.
Re:Big problem here (Score:5, Interesting)
It's tough when your business model appears to be "Let every fucking maniac in the country post crazy seditious shit on the site, except when it gets too seditious."
I doubt the Mercers ever really intended Parler to succeed as any kind of real venture, it was just a way to get the Trump base in one place so they could be further radicalized. I think any real investigations should look into the seditious activities of the Mercers. They're the one bankrolling this, so if there's a real insurrectionist leadership, that's where to start.
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Re:Big problem here (Score:4, Funny)
The requirement that AWS, Apple, Google, and others have (in order to be their customer or be in their app store) is you have to actually moderate not just have it in the ToS that you have the right to do so.
"I am shocked, shocked to find that N azis are posting death threats on here. Heil Hitler!".
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The real organizing was done on Telegram. There seems to be a recruitment hierarchy that goes Facebook/Twitter/Reddit etc -> Parler/Gab public accounts -> Parler private accounts -> Telegram, depending how extreme and specific the info is.
Re:Big problem here (Score:5, Informative)
“We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore, and that is what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.
“You will have an illegitimate president. That is what you will have, and we can’t let that happen. These are the facts that you won’t hear from the fake news media. It’s all part of the suppression effort. They don’t want to talk about it. They don’t want to talk about it.
“We fight like hell, and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
"Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you. We are going to the Capitol, and we are going to try and give — the Democrats are hopeless, they are never voting for anything, not even one vote, but we are going to try — give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re try — going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”
Re:Big problem here (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm still not seeing this as a call to arms. For example, in English, the word "fight" gets used for any kind of struggle, whether that's in elections or in court, otherwise basically every lawyer commercial on TV would be illegal. Either alone or, as a term the courts often use "a totality of the circumstances", this still doesn't amount to a call to violence. This kind of talk -- all of it -- is used all the time in the context of organizing a protest.
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I'm still not seeing this as a call to arms. For example, in English, the word "fight" gets used for any kind of struggle, whether that's in elections or in court, otherwise basically every lawyer commercial on TV would be illegal. Either alone or, as a term the courts often use "a totality of the circumstances", this still doesn't amount to a call to violence. This kind of talk -- all of it -- is used all the time in the context of organizing a protest.
That's because we're talking about you, a Slashdot poster who has demonstrated an intelligent ability to string together a sentence along with a borderline autistic interpretation of sentences backed by an almost clinical analysis of words from a dictionary.
Now if you were a mouth breather who believes the election was stolen because someone told you so without any proof and that those who are stealing said election will also take your guns away you would have interpreted those statements as a definite call
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That's arguable but also irrelevant to the opinion of any half way rational human being. The president worked up that crowd and clearly contributed to what happened after his speech. Shit, you even have a number of the arrestees stating that the whole reason they were in Washington was because Trump told them to be.
Re:Big problem here (Score:5, Interesting)
I once was a jurist on a trial here in the UK. It was about an alleged robbery, and I learned that robbery is defined in English law as theft with force, or the immediate threat of force*. You don't have to carry out the violence to be guilty of the crime. You just need to make it clear you will. The defendant had stood over the victim on a bus and demanded the victim go with him to a cashpoint (ATM) and withdraw cash. He never touched the victim, and he never explicitly said "I'll hurt you if you don't do it". But the guidance on the law was quite clear: there was no need for a threat to be articulated in a specific set of words -- if the robber conveyed the message to the victim, in a way that a reasonable observer ("the man on the Clapham omnibus" is the standard phrase used in English courts) thought was intended to convey immediate threat of force, that was enough. We found him guilty, and he was sentenced to a term of imprisonment (and I learned that in the UK, the jury is often discharged prior to sentencing, which was a bit of a shock).
Trump's meaning is unmistakable to the man on the Clapham omnibus. He called for the US presidency to be handed to him instead of Biden, and he threatened force to make it happen. He attempted robbery.
* "A person is guilty of robbery if he steals, and immediately before or at the time of doing so, and in order to do so, he uses force on any person or puts or seeks to put any person in fear of being then and there subjected to force"
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The police intentionally turned a protest into a riot and then let them into the building
I'd like to know why you think that's what happened.
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I can't find this video on Youtube, only Liveleak. It's pretty clear what happens. I count at least 5 police just inside the door that just opened allowing these people to walk right in.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?... [liveleak.com]
Re:There was no "insurrection." (Score:5, Informative)
I'm not ready to make judgement yet. We have one video with little context showing one officer ushering people in. This does NOT equate to "the police intentionally turned a protest into a riot".
Contrary to that video there are NUMEROUS videos showing officers doing exactly the opposite, getting bashed and being very scared. I see conflicting evidence here, let's keep rational.
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Worth mentioning that most of the videos show a very narrow range of view, and it's hard to get an understanding of the situation even in particular rooms, let alone the general situation.
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I'm not sure what video you're referring to, but I count at least 5 officers just inside flanking both sides of the the door that was opened, allowing the protestors to walk right on by.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?... [liveleak.com]
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That's not the kind of death toll you get from an attempted coup.
See: Bloodless Coup
Re:There was no "insurrection." (Score:5, Informative)
What do you call an armed group of individuals who break into a government facility to interrupt due process? What do you suppose this individual was attempting to do?
https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]
More information about these "patriots" https://www.tampabay.com/news/... [tampabay.com]
Don't forget the Congresswomen who live tweeted (Score:5, Insightful)
It's pretty clear at this point that they were planning to kill several members of Congress in line for the succession along with Mike Pence in the hopes of somehow installing Trump as President.
Do some googling (Score:3)
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Yeah, not really interested in listening to talk show hosts.
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What do you suppose this individual was attempting to do?
Probably trying to find a victim to drag out to the nooses mounted outside in front of the mob.
(Actually there were at least three with the flex cuffs.)
Re:There was no "insurrection." (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact that they sucked at instigating a coup doesn't mean they weren't instigating a coup.
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I have a hard time accepting you actually believe anything you wrote. I can't fathom you really believe that.
Re:There was no "insurrection." (Score:5, Insightful)
A failed coup is a text book definition of an attempted coup. It is good for the US that the people that tried were so incompetent, the leadership was too chicken shit scared to come with them and it wasn't better coordinated.
If you attempt an violent, armed robbery, but drop the gun and it discharges, shooting you in the head, it was still an attempted robbery even though the death toll wasn't what you would expect from a violent, armed robbery. And the clumsy robber is still a robber even though he died in the process.
But I would love to see your proof of the police "intentionally turning the protest into a riot". Did they tell the boneheads to go home, get zip cuffs and sledgehammers too? And you are outright lying, the people in the building had NOT reached shelter before the rioters breached the front door.
What is not going to end well is the reality check you Trump apologists are going to experience once you realize your dear leader has conned you all along. So I hope for your mental state that you stay in your delusions and personal la-la-land, because the hangover will be tough for you. Hang in here, bud.
Re:There was no "insurrection." (Score:5, Insightful)
Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government (source: "define:insurrection" search in Google).
The people there were very clear they were protesting against the government, and people died as a direct result of their actions, so yes, it was violent even if the majority of people who were present did not participate in the violence, which fits the definition of an insurrection. Just because the Hollywood version of it shows more bullets and explosions doesn't mean last Wednesday's events don't also qualify.
As for "The police intentionally .. let them in", if you intentionally leave your garage door open and everyone in your neighborhood decides to come into your house to yell at you, they're still trespassing and they don't have a right to take your stuff, or break your family photos. And in most states if you tell them to leave, and one of them then tries to force their way into the room you and your family are having dinner in, you're allowed to shoot them without charges. "They left the door open" is never a defense against trespassing except unless you're an actual six year old.
"Now the entire country ... is abandoning the concept of free speech completely". It's frustrating that people continuously need this explained. The right to free speech specifically does not allow you to tell another person to commit a crime. If they do, you are open to criminal conspiracy charges, even if you didn't think they'd go do it. If that crime involves something that resembles "insurrection", the consequences are more severe and I don't think the government would (or should) take it lightly.
But put all that aside. If anyone consistently used a popular service with language that then potentially incited a , I think we all know that company's lawyers would recommend that person be dropped from the service so that the company doesn't get sued by those harmed in the incident.
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You turn a peaceful protest into a riot by attacking it with disproportionate force, which is why several of the BLM protests went bad. These guys on the other hand came with the intention of violence, armed with guns, bombs, napalm, flash-bangs, and chemical weapons, multiple terrorists were photographed with handcuffs they apparently intended to use on members of Congress, and there were nooses prepared and mounted outside.
That's not the kind of death toll you get from an attempted coup.
Your grasp of history is lacking at best. How many people died in the successful
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The only correct thing in this summary is that five people died. One was shot by police.
Yes, was shot by police while attempting entry to a hall full of members, with a weapon.
One was a cop.
Who your "protestors" beat to death, including with an American flag.
The other three were middle aged people who died of middle aged problems.
Being caught up in an attempted coup is a middle-aged problem?
That's not the kind of death toll you get from an attempted coup.
It is when the coup attempt is being made by a pack of dumbfucks, with only a small handful of competent aggressors mixed in.
The police intentionally turned a protest into a riot
The police, or a subset thereof, deliberately aided an armed insurrection by first letting the attackers through barricades, and then by granting them apparent legitima
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Seattlite here. The 'autonomous zone' was on Capitol Hill, a couple of miles from downtown, and was recognized by both the mayor of Seattle and the governor of Washington. Once the "vigilance" groups proved to be even less competent than the police it disbanded.
If you're going to spread propaganda at least get your talking points right, otherwise it just makes you look ignorant and ridiculous.
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buy track phone with reloaded Walmart gift card you did not buy and reloaded with cache. Use phone to create accounts then shut it off unless you need to reverify. How is that for good enough?
Re: The increasingly dystopian online experience.. (Score:2)
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Parler was also nice enough to ask for your social security number before joining. Wonder if those were scraped too?
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The only reason I can think that they would ask/require it was that it was a honeypot for the FBI that was looking for low hanging fruit. Also, only an idiot would give them their real social security number.
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Not using it unless there's also Perl and PHP.
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Not using it unless there's also Perl and PHP.
And Blockchain - gotta have Blockchain
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They forked a bunch of code from Mastodon.
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Twitter's mix [stackshare.io] is even worse, does not seem to detract too many people from signing up...
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It's more useful to law enforcement than you make out. While it may not be admissible in court, it's probably good enough to convince a judge to sign a warrant so that proper evidence can be obtained.
(I'm talking about the Parler data itself. The scraped data is not likely to be useful to law enforcement because it may have been tampered with, but I guarantee they're getting warrants for Amazon to hand over the data it has, and that data is probably much more useful.)
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While it may not be admissible in court, it's probably good enough to convince a judge to sign a warrant so that proper evidence can be obtained.
If the warrant is obtained by illegal evidence, anything gathered under that warrant becomes Fruit of the poisonous tree [wikipedia.org]