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Samsung Considers $10 Billion Texas Chipmaking Plant (bloomberg.com) 37

Samsung is considering spending more than $10 billion building its most advanced logic chipmaking plant in the U.S., a major investment it hopes will win more American clients and help it catch up with industry leader Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Bloomberg News: The world's largest memory chip and smartphone maker is in discussions to locate a facility in Austin, Texas, capable of fabricating chips as advanced as 3 nanometers in the future, people familiar with the matter said. Plans are preliminary and subject to change but for now the aim is to kick off construction this year, install major equipment from 2022, then begin operations as early as 2023, they said. While the investment amount could fluctuate, Samsung's plans would mean upwards of $10 billion to bankroll the project, one of the people said.

Samsung is taking advantage of a concerted U.S. government effort to counter China's rising economic prowess and lure back home some of the advanced manufacturing that over the past decades has gravitated toward Asia. The hope is that such production bases in the U.S. will galvanize local businesses and support American industry and chip design. Intel's troubles ramping up on technology and its potential reliance in the future on TSMC and Samsung for at least some of its chipmaking only underscored the extent to which Asian giants have forged ahead in recent years.

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  • there's a massive chip shortage right now because of COVID, and, well, nobody's talking about it but we're not doing the things we need to do to stop COVID 2, Electric Boogaloo. So companies are moving to secure their supply chains from the next completely preventable disaster.

    Yay, I guess?
    • because usually such announcements are made mostly in preparation to start negotiating subsidies, tax benefits and other race-to-the-bottom measures that the business which is shopping for preferential treatment is trying to secure.

      • because usually such announcements are made mostly in preparation to start negotiating subsidies, tax benefits and other race-to-the-bottom measures that the business which is shopping for preferential treatment is trying to secure.

        Of course. Businesses can't survive without repeatedly sucking at the taxpayer teet. It's always up to the taxpayer to make sure businesses don't fail, especially the multi-billion dollar, international ones.
        • The way these are typically structured, it INCREASES tax revenue. In fact, it not only increases total tax revenue, it even increases property tax revenue, which is the tax that's typically abated.

          Samsung bought 258 acres of empty land for this project.
          Let's say that land is worth $100 million. So the property tax is $2 million / year.

          That's the tax paid, and received by the local government today - $2 million / year. With no deal, the government gets $2 million / year.

          If Samsung develops that property to

          • by jbengt ( 874751 )
            Your analysis depends on the unspoken and unsupported assumption that there will be no additional costs to the state, only additional revenues. If you were to figure in costs to the state for supporting the developed property, it could go easily go against the taxpayers interest. (YMMV, the devil is in the details)
            • That discussion was about just the property tax, yes.
              The deferment of property taxes means almost a hundred times as much property tax is paid.

              If you want to talk about total economic impact, yep there's a lot more that goes into that. Primarily the cost to the city is the cost to provide services for new people who move there for the job (as opposed to existing residents who get a job there). There could in some cases be Infrastructure improvements needed, ie road widening, but this project is adjacent to

      • South Korea could buy more US support helpful back in Asia for the regional pressures SK faces. Helps ease trade imbalance concerns too.
        • SK gets a lot of US support already. They are pretty high up on the list of allies with access to military tech. They are an F-35 customer and we even gave them access to Aegis to develop their own warships around the system.

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        • The empirical evidence suggests that most of the time these are bad deals for the area administered by the "local government" as the "growth" rarely pays for the costs of such deals. Such deals, however, very often make some of the officers of the local government that are involved in the deals very rich.

          • What are you talking about?

            The riot this past summer in Kenosha, Wisconsin was not a "race riot" as depicted by the media.

            The real cause was that there was a shortage of new Mercedes SUVs. I shit you not. Foxconn's special deal has worked out *so well* for Wisconsin and created such affluence among the general population that they will literally burn down main street if there's no enough luxury cars.

            Kyle Rittenhouse only showed up because he's a "Ram Tough" man and wanted to punish those Mercedes-buying a

            • What are you talking about?

              I am talking about empirical research on actual deals like the one described, where the government in a location (not necessarily the local government) makes concessions to attract business. Typically such deals end with the population being worse off than before the deal.

              • Whoosh.

                The Foxconn deal in Wisconsin has been a total bomb.

                Site shopping by large corporations and strong-arming states or cities into giving away the store is toxic and should be restricted somehow.

                I don't know how, maybe Congress could impose hefty Federal corporate taxes on the dollar cost value of state and local concessions in real estate and infrastructure development given to corporations that use expansion as a tool to extract concessions. This would zero out the benefit of shopping for concessions

        • Sure, no taxes on the multi billion dollar corporation but the slobs making minimum wage still pay taxes?

        • You say that like it's a bad thing.

          The local governments want growth, so they're willing to cut deals. Samsung has a duty to their shareholders. They have every right to get the best deal they can.

          There's also the very obvious commercial and military advantage to building as many advanced fabs within U.S. borders as possible. Having the entire world put all its eggs into a small group of Asian baskets is just begging for disaster.

          Right now Intel has the only advanced fabs left under direct U.S. ownership,

          • Having the entire world put all its eggs into a small group of Asian baskets is just begging for disaster.

            Actually, that has so far been a recipe for huge growth. Putting oneself at the mercy of the US government by purchasing from the US only, on the other hand, that's just asking a capricious, vengeful and petty government presiding over a rapidly diminishing share of the world market to squeeze you by the balls. Not smart.

      • I'm sure California will stand firm against the loss of tax revenue from Samsung and its employees and suppliers.

    • Something on the level of COVID is rather rare and unpredictable given the infrequency of a global pandemic. You can plan for one to some degree, but maybe we have a vaccine for the next one ready in 3 months or perhaps it's a far more difficult case to crack and it takes 3 years. Planning around anything like that is difficult, never mind if it were something like Ebola which is far more deadly than COVID and can kill people without a bevy of underlying health conditions.

      Anything Samsung builds now won'
    • Its not because of fabs, its because companies canceled their orders too soon and others took their place. A lot of the problem lies in testing and production facilities, not the fabs themselves. How do I know this? I order chips and am in contact will sales people.

  • We know they are desperately looking for someone who can fab 5nm chips. So there you go!

    • Intel would be their first customer. We know they are desperately looking for someone who can fab 5nm chips.

      Industrial espionage is easier on your home turf too.

      I wouldn't bring it up but Intel has been a shady dealer from waaay back.

    • Why can't an american company fabricate 5nm chips in the USA? Whatever happened to "american ingenuity" and all that talk? You now have to get Samsung to help out?
      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        Why can't an american company fabricate 5nm chips in the USA? Whatever happened to "american ingenuity" and all that talk? You now have to get Samsung to help out?

        It's there, just Intel went down the wrong path.

        The problem is, these are billion dollar level mistakes.

        Intel has 5nm fabs in the US - research fabs capable of doing solid core R&D in chipmaking and fabrication.

        The problem lies in the fact modern chipmaking is a multi-billion dollar enterprise. The manufacturers of the equipment only make 2-3

        • 1. "The manufacturers of the equipment only make 2-3 a year at a billion dollars each, and we're using EUV methods, so the light source is weak and costs a billion dollars itself." False. The very most expensive machines are ASML steppers, at over $100 million each. Most other semiconductor equipment is nowhere near that expensive. PVD, CVD, Etch, ion implanters, etc., are all considerably less.
          2. ASML sold nine EUV steppers in F21Q1 alone [fool.com].
          3. Fabs are very expensive not because of a few super-expensive machines, but because of dozens of merely expensive machines.
          2. Cutting edge fabs are $10-20 billion, not "hundreds of billions."

    • Yeah, know how I can tell you know nothing about how long it takes to build a fab?
  • Korea is a democratic US ally and CONUS fabs are beyond wartime sea and air freight interdiction.
    Geography matters, war, OOTW, non-linear war and economic war matter because war is intrinsic to our species.

    US outsourcing was economic sabotage but cooperating to bring manufacturing inshore is of major strategic benefit. Chip fabs don't exist in an economic vacuum so the US would be wise to inshore as many as practical.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    Samsung already has a sizeable chip production facility in Austin.
  • by jklappenbach ( 824031 ) on Friday January 22, 2021 @02:24PM (#60979634) Journal
    Until all these high paid tech jobs and the money flowing in to Texas turns them into a Liberal hotbed.
    • I find it hard to believe many people will move to Texas unless they like staying inside in the air conditioning.
    • Just in time for another round of gerrymandering. Austin is only covered by 6 different congressional districts, I'm sure they can get a few more in.

  • So when china decides to take over Taiwan the world can still get chips.

  • These corporates are on a rampage. Looks like they wont rest till the transplant enough Democrats in Texas to turn it blue.
  • Not in my country you won't!

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