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Tesla Model S Gets a Radically Redesigned Interior and 520-Mile Range (cnet.com) 220

During its fourth-quarter earnings announcement, Tesla unveiled the long-rumored refresh for its Model S sedan. CNET reports: On the outside, the Model S has a new front bumper with slightly different intakes, a tweaked rear diffuser and new 19- and 21-inch wheel designs. All of the exterior trim is now finished in black to match the Model Y, but the paint color palette remains the same, with white being the only no-cost option. The interior is the star of the show, though. It's been completely redesigned, marking the Model S' first major update since its debut in 2012. There's a large 17-inch central screen much like that of the Model 3 and Model Y, but the S retains a 12.3-inch digital gauge cluster in front of the driver, as well. Tesla says the new center screen is basically a gaming computer with 10 teraflops of processing power, and the released images show it running the popular fantasy RPG game Witcher 3.

Most radical is the new steering wheel. It isn't exactly a wheel anymore, instead looking like a yoke right out of Star Wars or Knight Rider. There are no stalks, either, meaning the turn signals, lights and other typical features are now controlled by touch buttons on the "wheel." There's more carbon fiber or wood trim covering parts of the dashboard and door panels, and the door cards and center console have been redesigned for more storage space and better looks. The rear seats look more sculpted and have a new fold-down armrest with cupholders. Rear-seat passengers get an 8-inch screen that offers the same infotainment and gaming functions as the main screen, and it even works with wireless gaming controllers. The Model S has three-zone climate control, a 22-speaker audio system, heated seats all around (and ventilated front seats), ambient lighting and a glass roof as standard. White, black and beige remain the only interior color options.
The maxed-out "Plaid Plus" model, which comes in at $139,990, features over 1,100 hp and will hit 60 mph in under 2 seconds. "It also boats a sub-9-second quarter-mile time, a top speed of 200 mph and a range of over 520 miles," reports CNET.
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Tesla Model S Gets a Radically Redesigned Interior and 520-Mile Range

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  • Sensors (Score:3, Interesting)

    by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @06:46PM (#60998982)

    How about sensors? Are those upgraded? Would be nice if it they added side facing cameras further ahead than the B-pillar so it could do FSD without having to annoying creep way into the intersection like it's a human.

  • Somehow they managed to make an interior even worse than the original Model S. Cool gimmicky steering wheel too. Congrats =)

    • No I think it looks nicer. The yoke steering wheel might take some getting used to, but if it's self driving for most or all of the trip .. who cares.

      • Re:They've done it! (Score:4, Interesting)

        by NateFromMich ( 6359610 ) on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @07:09PM (#60999060)

        The yoke steering wheel might take some getting used to

        They are truly terrible, if you've ever tried using one of those.

        but if it's self driving for most or all of the trip .. who cares.

        You'll care all of the time that it isn't self driving.
        But at least it has less of a steering wheel, which makes it a lot better in absolutely no way..

      • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

        If "who cares", why change it? The last thing that needs to be rethought is HOW a driver operates a car.

        It is nice to see the company investing in downgrading the only interior they've done that isn't grotesque. Should make their demise even sweeter.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        It will never, ever be self driving. I'm going on record with this, current Tesla cars will never reach level 5 autonomy or the features they have been selling for 5 years already.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by backslashdot ( 95548 )

          Ehh .. you used the weasel word "current."

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            To be clear I mean that the currently sold vehicles will never be upgraded, software or hardware, to do what Tesla claimed they would do.

            Obviously they may change course in the future, fit different hardware, buy Waymo tech etc.

        • Re:They've done it! (Score:5, Interesting)

          by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @07:44PM (#60999194)

          By the way, it *already* has full self driving. With FSD Beta 8.1 it routinely completes trips start to finish (ie, leaves house goes through streets, deals with traffic lights/stop signs and highway .. and arrives safely at destination with with zero interventions.

          Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

          You can find other examples on youtube as well.

          • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

            Just because a computer can write a summary of a sporting match doesn't make them capable of writing great works of literary art.

            And thus, just because you have seen a few examples of cars making a trip by itself doesn't mean that the technology is completely ready to take over everyday driving in all situations

          • I bet those examples don't include vandalized street signs, road markings covered in spilled shit or debris, or crazy drivers in other vehicles.

            • Uh, humans are the ones who can't deal with vandalized street signs, covered road markings, and crazy drivers. A computer has a map that knows where the stop signs and things like that are supposed to be whereas a human in a new neighborhood would be clueless .. as for who is better at dodging crazy drivers .. watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

              • I'm not sure I'd fully trust the map as I've heard stories of navigation systems telling drivers to drive through fields or on to railroad tracks. Don't forget that if a nasty little incident happens somewhere in the world, or a terrorist group screams "BOO!" loud enough, the military can downgrade the accuracy of GPS. Yes, even the coverage in America.

                And how about severe storms and other things that can kill a GPS signal?

                • Come on man, do you think its programmers were born yesterday? The GPS is a fallback to error on the side of caution .. The computer primarily relies on what it can see. As in if it sees a STOP sign or a wall in front of it, it's going to stop regardless of what the GPS says. When an autonomous car loses GPS completely it will rely on its own bearings and sensors .. and if things get bad it will pull over. Tesla has said it relies on an internal voting system whenever it makes a move. That's the obvious thi

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            No. What is has is level 2 driver assistance features. A qualified driver must be behind the wheel and paying attention at all times.

            What Tesla are selling is Level 5. No driver needed, you can summon the car from thousands of miles away and it will come to you, cleaning and charging itself along the way as needed. That's what their product page originally said.

            Vehicles sold to date will never achieve that.

      • by nicolaiplum ( 169077 ) on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @07:41PM (#60999184)

        You have to have your hand on the steering wheel when the Tesla driving assistance is on, and with this thing there are only two places to put your hands: on the sides, arms lifted at the 3-and-9 position or hands on that lower horizontal section (both uncomfortable and bad for fine control of the wheel). Allmost no actual driver puts their hands there when driving any other car on a straight or gently curving road, they hold the wheel lower down at the 4-and-8 position, or even the 6 position with one hand.

        Anyone who takes this thing for an hour or two test drive on a highway is going to be really uncomfortable. It has the gorilla arm problem that vertically-mounted touchscreen interfaces have.

        This car is not going to be able to drive itself while you read or sleep or jack off or whatever you want to do anytime soon, if ever, so you are spending years (at least) holding that wheel in the approved fashion while your arms get sore.

          I am also pretty interested in how this is going to work when you want to turn a tight corner and want to turn the wheel more than about 120 degrees, and how you're going to even pass a UK driving test (which requires feeding the wheel through your hands when turning, so that your two hands are always ready to grab the wheel unless you are pressing an off-wheel control, after which your hands return to the wheel). I can't believe that Tesla will have the steering ratio so low that you won't have to rotate the wheel more than 120 degrees to get full lock because that would make the steering far too twitchy for normal (non-F1 racing) drivers.

        Someone's been watching too much Knight Rider and didn't even pay attention on the few occasions when Micheal had to turn a sharp corner - and had to awkwardly wind the steering up with one hand.

        • Lol. The steering ratio is obviously variable and non-linear. Very simple concepts to implement with drive-by-wire and common in many cars on the road today.
        • by skegg ( 666571 )

          >> or even the 6 position with one hand

          Naughty.

          >> It has the gorilla arm problem that vertically-mounted touchscreen interfaces have

          How often are you fiddling with the console that you get a sore arm ?!?!?!

          Self-driving cars can't arrive soon enough !

        • "jack off"

          If you see a Tesla with all the curtains closed, you know what's going on. :O)

        • Allmost no actual driver puts their hands there when driving any other car on a straight or gently curving road, they hold the wheel lower down at the 4-and-8 position,

          What? No. There's no 'gorilla arm' problem, your hands are supported by the wheel.

          Many people place their hands just above the spokes of the wheel (which are often conveniently located at 10-2 or 9-3), so the hand is supported by both the rim and the spokes. This is a comfortable position that can be held for hours. The hands are held in place by friction (between palm and rim) and a mechanical stop (thumb resting on the spoke).

          The 4-8 position has your hands dangling by the fingers, which requires constant

        • Allmost no actual driver puts their hands there when driving any other car on a straight or gently curving road, they hold the wheel lower down at the 4-and-8 position, or even the 6 position with one hand.

          Just because you're an unsafe / poorly trained driver doesn't mean that no one else is.

      • try using that wheel in a town or city with 90 degree corners to manage, it'll drive you nuts after a while
    • There's no accounting for taste, as they say. For example, yours.

      • Ok you got me, it's probably not literally worse than the original Model S, but mostly because that one was really bad to begin with. And the new one mostly stands out thanks to the stupid steering wheel.

    • by Rei ( 128717 ) on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @07:08PM (#60999048) Homepage

      Please go schedule a COVID-19 test as soon as you can.

      One of the most common symptoms is a loss of taste. ;)

      • I think perhaps the entire Tesla design team might have Covid then. The cars are cool but fuck me they use blind monkeys for styling.
    • Re:They've done it! (Score:4, Interesting)

      by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @07:21PM (#60999112)

      >"Somehow they managed to make an interior even worse than the original Model S. Cool gimmicky steering wheel too. Congrats =)"

      This.

      The S is the only electric vehicle so far that gave me ANY interest. Mostly because of the range, power, real dashboard, and conventional controls.

      And instead of lowering the price where it could be affordable, the LOWEST cost is now $80K and they take away half the traditional controls and displays. Stick a huge, ugly, non-integrated looking display in the center and ruin the steering wheel. Oh, and limit customization even more.

      White seats still? Really? I can see grey, but WHITE?

      Well, I guess I continue to wait and wait and wait for an affordable Japanese or Korean electric luxury sport sedan designed for those who want a car that isn't a cross between a space shuttle and a computer desk.

      • Re:They've done it! (Score:4, Interesting)

        by steveha ( 103154 ) on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @07:49PM (#60999210) Homepage

        The S is the only electric vehicle so far that gave me ANY interest. [...]

        And instead of lowering the price where it could be affordable, the LOWEST cost is now $80K

        I would encourage you to look into a used Model S. It makes more sense to let someone else take the new-car depreciation hit anyway.

        If you get a Model S 100D you will have at least a 320-mile range, which is enough for almost anything. (It wouldn't be a good choice for a coast-to-coast car race.)

        I just checked and a 100D starts around $57K (as far as the inventory near me goes). If you are willing to accept a rear-drive-only Model S with a 75 battery pack, that starts around $36K.

        Personally I would stick to 2017 or so and newer cars, because that way you have the hardware for the full self-driving. Even if you don't care about the features, I expect much stiffer depreciation on Teslas built before the AP 2 hardware became standard.

      • by hayds ( 738028 )

        I can't comment on the rest, but I can comment on the white seats.

        I think they look great and after 2 years they are good as new. I keep a pack of baby wipes in the glove box, if anyone leaves a dirty smudge a quick wipe and it's gone.

        They're certainly better than the boring black seats I had in my previous couple of cars.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      That wheel will be horrible to use. You have to aim your hands at it, can't just grab anywhere because it's not a wheel anymore.

  • Link to earnings call. [tesla.com] It's expected to be informative. Sometimes, it's entertaining as well.
    • by Rei ( 128717 )

      Sadly, I expect it to be low key this time, as Elon seems to be in a good mood. I doubt there will be any "boring boneheaded questions" comments or the like ;)

  • These cars look so BLEAH, given their tech and wonderful (so I am told) UI inside.

    Why are they so very undistinctive in their exterior styling?

    • Because, like most cars today, the exterior styling is designed to increase mileage by reducing drag. That requirement is forcing all manufacturers into similar styling to accommodate the slipstream.

    • Most people just drive a car to get to point A to point B. The Toyota Camry was a popular car even with it's rather bland exterior.

      For people who want to show off more than use a car as a car, there is Ferrari, Rolls Royce, and such.

  • Clearly Tesla has moved on from the battery technology used in the original Model S. But I'm wondering whether Tesla is moving to the 2170 battery cells used in the Model 3, or moving all the way to the brand-new 4860 battery technology.

    I haven't seen anything confirming one way or the other. IMHO it would make sense to roll out 4860 in this refreshed car, because it makes sense to use a new technology in a lower-volume product rather than a higher-volume product like the Model Y or Model 3. And, we knew

    • Welp, it's over. With a 520-mile range, how long can you comfortably drive anyway before you need/want to stop for a break? San Francisco to San Diego is 500 miles; even if you did that in one shot, you'd still probably want to take a break afterwards, during which you could partially recharge the car.

      • by steveha ( 103154 )

        how long can you comfortably drive anyway before you need/want to stop for a break?

        IMHO Tesla already became practical for long road trips several years ago with the Model S 100D. My rule is: can you drive for four hours, and then can the car completely recharge during the time it takes to eat a meal? A 100D Tesla can do this.

        If you are driving from San Francisco to San Diego in a Model S, you can plan a stop in Kettleman City, which has one of the biggest Tesla Supercharger stations in the world (with 40

        • 40 isn't exactly a large number. It's less than many gas stations/truck stops on a typical turnpike and at 20-30m per charge will get saturated pretty quickly once EVs are more prevalent. Longer charging time means you need to have 2-5x the number of charging stations as pumps. Your 20m meal then becomes an hour if the queue is 3 deep. I'm no EV hater, but the issue for trips still stands and the 'you have to eat anyway' goes to hell when cars start queueing.

          • 40 isn't exactly a large number. It's less than many gas stations/truck stops on a typical turnpike and at 20-30m per charge will get saturated pretty quickly once EVs are more prevalent.

            Exactly, it's not like they can build more charging stations as more EVs are on the road, is it? The number is frozen until the end of time.

          • by steveha ( 103154 )

            40 [Superchargers] isn't exactly a large number.

            I drive a Tesla Model S, and most of the Tesla Superchargers have 8 to 10 chargers. In my experience, there are enough chargers.

            There have been occasions where I had to wait as long as half an hour for a charger. I think two or three times, which works out to less than once a year so far.

            Would I like more chargers? Yes, please. Well, Tesla is working on it.

            Would I buy any electric car other than a Tesla? Not at this time, because a typical charging statio

    • by Rei ( 128717 )

      The earnings report stated that they have the new redesigned battery pack. They didn't however state that all of the technologies unveiled during battery day would be present. Also, the page for ordering the car states: "New module and pack thermal architecture maintains an even temperature across the pack, giving you more power and endurance in all conditions." But again, it doesn't describe everything.

      I think if you read between the lines - Plaid+ (the longer-range version) coming out later than others -

      • by Rei ( 128717 )

        ED: Conference call confirms that they haven't switched the cell format yet, just the pack architecture.

  • by LynnwoodRooster ( 966895 ) on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @07:46PM (#60999206) Journal
    So less than 1 turn lock-to-lock? A few degree twitch is going to send you across 3 lanes of traffic...
    • Get in car, check mirrors, hands at 10 and.. hey wait a minute. Ok in all seriousness, the remaining parts of the wheel are so you can look like you are driving, and play with the horn while the car does the actual driving.

      -And it seems 9 and 3 are now the preferred hand positions. That's pretty close to my current position at 9 with elbow propped up on door, and sometimes approaching a corner 4 gets added for extra leverage.
      • by Rei ( 128717 )

        Honestly, the way most Tesla drivers is "7 and not-touching-the-wheel" ;) Basically just hanging one hand slightly offcentre from the bottom of the wheel when it's in autopilot (and for the brief periods when it's not in autopilot). Only when you're actually doing maneuvering or joy driving do you generally use a position like 9 and 3.

        It's common to have two separate driver profile settings - one for when you're planning to spend most of your time in autopilot (e.g. most of the time), and one for trips wh

    • You know they have something called adaptive steering? It's been a feature on many cars for years now. Gee if only the many engineers and designers at Tesla were as bright as you.

    • So less than 1 turn lock-to-lock? A few degree twitch is going to send you across 3 lanes of traffic...

      Why would it? The car has driver assistance.

  • The specs for the Plaid+ are good enough that its drive-train should pretty much meet the Roadster 2 goals. Pushing to over 600 mile range should be possible with body and interior changes outside of the drive train.
  • by joe_frisch ( 1366229 ) on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @11:01PM (#60999866)
    One of the impressive things about cars is that the user interface is so uniform that you can get into almost any car, manufactured almost anywhere and immediately be able to drive it. A few companies (are you listening BMW!) have made some annoying tweaks to the interface, and I don't plan to buy one again. Mostly though that uniform interface means that I can immediately apply my decades of driving experience when I jump into a rental car in Chicago, or Amman Jordan, or Norway, and immediately be able to drive safely in traffic. Why change that? Especially when there is not gain in functionality, and the esthetic change is, lets say, debatable.
  • The integrated portrait command centre was the best thing about the S.
    Now they have a sticky out iPad Pro. Sad Face.
    I wonder if that steering wheel is going to get around different countries design rules.

  • Unless they've improved the headroom in this model S, I'll have to pass on it, like the last one. Even the second gen Nissan Leaf lacked in the headroom department. I went with Chevy Bolt EV instead and have lots of headroom, and even legroom.

    Why do they make these cars only for shorter folk?

  • Unless something has fundamentally changed in the metallurgy of gears and bearings or electrical motor construction, an electric vehicle would need a second gear to hit 200mph speeds.

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