Tesla Roadster Delayed To 2022 (electrek.co) 59
Elon Musk confirmed that the new Tesla Roadster has been delayed from 2021 to 2022 -- a good two years behind the original schedule set all the way back in 2017. Electrek reports: When first unveiling the next-generation Tesla Roadster in 2017, Musk said that it will come to market in 2020. Tesla started taking reservations for the impressive electric supercar with a 0-60 mph in 1.9 seconds and over 600 miles of range at the unveiling event. People who wanted to be first in line to get the vehicle had to put down between $50,000 and $250,000 in deposits. The vehicle program was later delayed as the CEO said that it wasn't a priority for Tesla.
Last year, Musk hinted at Tesla Roadster being delayed all the way to 2022 as the automaker focuses on the Cybertruck. Now the CEO confirmed that the production of Tesla's new Roadster won't start until next year: Musk wrote on Twitter today: "Finishing engineering [of the new Tesla Roadster] this year, production starts next year. Aiming to have release candidate design drivable late summer. Tri-motor drive system and advanced battery work were important precursors."
Last year, Musk hinted at Tesla Roadster being delayed all the way to 2022 as the automaker focuses on the Cybertruck. Now the CEO confirmed that the production of Tesla's new Roadster won't start until next year: Musk wrote on Twitter today: "Finishing engineering [of the new Tesla Roadster] this year, production starts next year. Aiming to have release candidate design drivable late summer. Tri-motor drive system and advanced battery work were important precursors."
Perfect! (Score:2)
They did such a good job of recreating the feel of Tesla Roadster that they even recreated the production delays! That car's going to be hot! ;)
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The production delays on one product can't really be blamed when its because the other products are sucking up all the batteries.
Battery availability, in this case, is not the bottleneck.
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It literally is, and Tesla has been explicit about this in the earnings calls.
But I guess this is terrible. I mean, Tesla said you'd be able to buy a 2+2 seater three-motor sub-2-second 0-60, 9-second quarter mile car in 2020 for $200k, when in reality all you can get is a 5+ seater three-motor sub-2-second 0-60, 9-second quarter mile car in 2020 for $140k. Damn Tesla, always disappointing...
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I know that if I, what, for the 20th time link to dozens of hospitals thanking him for donations, the CEO of Medtronic talking about SpaceX being critical for accelerating their production by producing critical parts, etc etc, that this will have absolutely no impact on you - so why bother yet again?
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The same reason he can't come up with an antigravity tractor beam? There is no even remotely close to mature technology out there that is at your desired ~1500Wh/kg density at the cell level, let alone the pack level.
Nor does it matter. Weight is not the limit on mass adoption of EVs (Model 3 for example is roughly the same mass to its performance and class equivalents from BMW - SR+ vs. the 330i automatic, LR/P vs. the 340i xDrive automatic,
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I'll repeat:
You simply cannot only look at the mass of the cells. Period. You cannot drive a pile of cells, just the same as you cannot drive a puddle of gasoline. There are thousands of other components that make up
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And on top of this... let's just pretend that the reality that Model 3 is roughly the same weight as its BMW performance and class equivalents didn't exist. Let's pretend that it actually were heavier.
And?
No, seriously - and?
What percentage of car buyers ever even look at the vehicle's weight? 5% perhaps? Most people have no clue what the weight of a vehicle even affects, and nor do they care. They care about what it costs to buy, what it costs to run, what sort of functionality it offers, and how nice
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Yawn [slashdot.org].
And you need help. Seriously.
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(The funny thing about this: I own a Model 3. It's quality is superb, and it's a dream to own. There's a reason why Tesla consistently ranks tops in customer satisfaction. But not like you care. You're just out to cherry pick, spread FUD, and repeat the same thousand-times-debunked ventilator nonsense. I don't know what's wrong with you, but whatever it is, it's not healthy)
Vehicle Layouts (Score:2)
The electric vehicle era allows all sorts of rework of vehicle design. The relationship of the drivers seat, to the wheels of the vehicle, the engine and of course batteries. All sorts of arrangements are possible, there are some real interesting layouts possible, the whole function how to make that drivers seat fly down the road with the driver in it, in full control of course, whilst keeping entry and exit and ergonomic and comfortable as possible. Real imagination is required for the new models coming ou
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The electric vehicle era allows all sorts of rework of vehicle design..
Muskie and his cult will be landing and living on Mars before the Roadster is on the market. Two years baby, and we're there!
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The electric vehicle era allows all sorts of rework of vehicle design..
Muskie and his cult will be landing and living on Mars before the Roadster is on the market. Two years baby, and we're there!
Edmund is just fine fyi, he lives right next to me across from the Walmart at the base of Olympus Mons. Unfortunately Elon has bought out all the other prime real estate in our neighborhood. Prices have really gone up just lately especially with the Covid problems happening on the other planet. We got over the Chicken Pox epidemic and have plenty of free space now elsewhere here on Mars, especially around the polar regions.
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"...the whole function how to make that drivers seat fly down the road with the driver in it, in full control of course, whilst keeping entry and exit and ergonomic and comfortable as possible."
That is neither insightful nor representative of Tesla's apparent motivation to eliminate the drivers seat rather than improve it.
"All sorts of arrangements are possible, there are some real interesting layouts possible,"
Very enlightening, and we're grateful for electric technology to enable these innovative ideas wh
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I'm interested to see what EVs come up with, especially without the need for engineering around a large, heavy IC engine, but around batteries which can be more evenly distributed around the vehicle. The driver could be positioned anywhere on the vehicle. I think we will see a lot of designs tried before things settle down.
Of course, EVs are not perfect... but that is what range extenders are for. A small turbine engine running at a single RPM could easily keep the batter bank topped off, while providing
Re:Vehicle Layouts (Score:4, Informative)
Supercharging time is getting very close to the amount time it takes to pump gas. However the closer the is battery is to 0% full/charged or 100% full/charged then the slower the charging. If the battery is close to 50% full/changes then it charges really fast. Adding 300 miles of range to the top end Model S when the battery still has 120 miles of ranges will not take long. (At a full speed supercharger.) If the battery is down to only 20 miles of range then it will start slow. Topping off the battery to 100% will also take longer.
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Supercharging time is getting very close to the amount time it takes to pump gas. .
Rubbish.
I get 1000km from 70 litres of Diesel in my e-class (same size as model s), and it takes 70 seconds to fill.
The Tesla S still takes over 1 Hour for 100% charge and >20 minutes to 75% SOC which is 400 real world km.
E-Class 14km of range per pump second.
Model S 0.4km of range per charge second.
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I don't mean to play devil's advocate, honestly! I also own an e-class diesel, and I love it. I don't own a Tesla, so I have no barrow to push here.
However, it's never *just* 70 seconds to fill. I always have to wait for a pump to free up, and I have to wait in line to pay. See, I drive around peak times, so that's when it makes since to visit a petrol station.
And if you comment that I should make a special trip on the weekend to fill up off-peak, well, that's now pushing my fill-up time out to 20 minut
Cold gas thrusters (Score:2)
Wait, I would have thought adding the cold gas thrusters to enable hovering would have been the hardest part.
Reference: https://cleantechnica.com/2020... [cleantechnica.com]
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I thought they were adding them to aid acceleration. Since it's an EV it's already heavy, so adding a bit more stuff is no big deal. Since it already accelerates ridiculously quickly, it doesn't have to aid acceleration for very long. I have doubts that it will make much difference, but if it knocks off even a tenth or two to 60-62ish then people will be willing to pay for it.
Over Promise Under Deliver (Score:5, Insightful)
Elon Musk confirmed that the new Tesla Roadster has been delayed from 2021 to 2022 -- a good two years behind the original schedule set all the way back in 2017.
Not bashing the guy or anything, but is anyone really surprised? He's always over promised and under delivered.
He's made repeated statements (starting in 2016?) about Tesla's being fully autonomous by x date and that they'd be able to drive across the U.S. It's 2021 and we've got nothing.
In 2016, he said Tesla would produce 500K cars by 2018. Tesla didn't hit that target until 2020.
Musk said that there would be 1 million Robotaxis on the road by 2020.
Tesla semi truck? He originally said back in 2017 that they would be delivered to customers in 2019. Now it's supposedly 2021.
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It would be news if a Tesla product were on time. Being late is normal.
On the other hand, it would also be news if a promised Tesla product never came to market at all.
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Like Autopilot? Oh, I forgot the duel qualifiers of "that's just a delay, the universe isn't over" and "the thing says 'autopilot', clearly that's the promised self-driving'"
Re: Over Promise Under Deliver (Score:2)
FSD is clearly the thing that is taking the longest. Elon is not a genius of anything but investing and marketing, and wildly underestimated the difficulty of that task. In fact, I've said many times that doing it without lidar is dumb. But I also suspect that they will get there in the end.
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I mean, Elon got fired from Paypal for trying to do everything on Windows servers.
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"Full self driving" is the obvious one, but there are many others. Remember when he promised every supercharger would have an attached solar array and be fully renewable powered? I think that one was just when someone baited him into it on Twitter by pointing out the coal power station visible from one of their locations.
The "snake" that allows the charger to plug into the car automatically seems to have been dropped, is probably dead because it was a terrible idea.
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Oh yeah, the snake was the worst idea. Total overfiend action.
I still think Tesla will get to FSD eventually, although I think it's going to be the worst system until they finally break down and get LIDAR.
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Musk has always been more interested in bragging than delivering. He's interested in spreadsheet arguments, not better cars.
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I don’t have a horse in this race (I own nothing he’s made, have no stock in his companies, am not part of any fan base or community, and generally find him annoying, but I appreciate how his companies are pushing stagnant industries into the future), but it seems to me that so far he’s delivered on almost all of his major promises...just not in the time promised. SpaceX? Tesla? Boring Company? They’re all currently fulfilling past promises he made, but it’s clear that he habit
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Maybe he understands people well. If you allocate lots of time to complete a task, most people will waste majority of time and only start working hard when the deadline is near. By artificially setting a tight deadline he motivates his people to work fast and hard to try to achieve this schedule.
This is what happens to me all the time :-)
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What has Biden done with regard to Covid that's worthy of outrage? There is still plenty of deserved outrage, just not directed to a man not responsible for it. Having a hard time understanding that? Perhaps you should seek out a therapist.
Re: What is the deal... (Score:2)
Sorry no it doesn't work that way. Biden signed up to be President. He inherits all the good and all the bad of the guy before him. He spent most of his cam-sign time, such as it was, criticizing the previous guy's covid plan and saying how much better his plan is.
What is his plan? Is it posted somewhere? Are there specific actionable goals with timelines and funding on a roadmap somewhere I can see with targets? No. There is no plan but everything from here forward is absolutely his fault, fairly o
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If you haven't found it you haven't tried.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-... [whitehouse.gov]
Re: What is the deal... (Score:1)
I was talking about a real plan with real dates, goals, time,ines, funding sources, and so on.
That link is a marketing wishlist and a good chunk of it is either already in place or the alleged goal stated sucked as 100m vaccinations by date X was already going to happen on its own.
There is no plan. Just talk and marketing noise.
Where is the plan?
A real executable plan. Dates, target numbers, measures for success/fail, expectations of future status based on various degrees of success/fail, effects expected
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https://www.marketwatch.com/st... [marketwatch.com]
Re: What is the deal... (Score:1)
Ok, that's a specific actionable plan item with a date. Good. It would be nice if they defined exactly what a vaccination center really means and if this was already happening anyway but I'll grant 99% of journalists suck and wouldn't ask or look into it themselves. 100 feels small but if that's an extra 500k people per day getting shots or something on that scale then that's great. Or if that's a down payment on 10000 centers over the next few months that's good, too.
Thanks for link.
Re: What is the deal... (Score:1)
Perhaps if you read some independent or foreign news sources youâ(TM)d know:
- reducing and threatening the supply of vaccines to Florida
- not increasing the vaccine delivery as promised, keeping at the same levels as when Trump exited
- promised 100M people vaccinated by spring, reducing that to 100M doses by spring and now âoemaybe by the end of summerâ
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...with all the tech articles on Slashdot now? Where are all the "we are all gonna die of COVID and it is all the current Presidents fault" articles? Is COVID over with? Why is Slashdot and much of the media back to "normal" now? Did people stop dying of COVID all of the sudden after Biden became President? A 9/11 is happening every day under Biden. Cases are at the highest level ever. Hospitals must be overwhelmed. Where is the outrage?
Incompetence sells.
"Grownups now in charge, things slowly getting better.", just isn't a sexy enough story.
It's all about incompetent hedge funds now.
"supercar with a 0-60 mph in 1.9 seconds" = 1.44G (Score:4, Informative)
2G would require a 0-60mph of 1.37s [rechneronline.de]
Not exactly Top Gun stuff but I'm sure it'll "take your breath away".
Just keeping it nerdie.
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Not exactly Top Gun stuff
You're confusing straight line acceleration with pulling lateral G's.
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New flying battery delivery device coming soon. (Score:1)
0 to 60 and beyond reason. Unless you want to compete with UPS delivery of lion batteries like this fellow did. [thedrive.com] Or like to drive like you are on the Lauberhorn. Like this guy does. [youtube.com]
The way some people are driving them who needs to watch Gone in 60 Seconds to get some entertainment. Duck here comes another Tesla and you never know when it will do a General Lee special. Far too many otherwise sane people are getting hyped up nuts with the automobiles of today. Unfortunately it is impossible to effectively leg
Can't wait! (Score:2)
While I am certainly not in the marked for a Tesla Roadster, I can't wait for it to come out.
It's this pushing of the envelope that pulls the rest of the industry forward. Faster acceleration, tri-motor system logistics, better battery technology.
Not going to be available in cheap cars for a while. But it will trickle down to less expensive cars eventually.
Really? (Score:1)
Again, if you just believe Musk, especially on timelines, you've just bought into the cult:
Musk said in 2013 that, within a few years, all of Tesla's Supercharger stations would be equipped with solar panels and battery packs. He said the process was still underway in 2017.
In 2015, Musk said "I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years." He has pushed that timeline back to 2019.
Musk in 2016 said Tesla would produce 500,000 vehicles in 2018. Tesla made 254,530 vehicles during 2018.
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