Microsoft Is Ending Support For the Old Non-Chromium Edge (theverge.com) 37
Support for Microsoft's original Edge browser is ending today. Legacy Edge, as it is now called, will no longer receive security updates, and anyone still using it should start the process of switching to something else. The Verge reports: Legacy Edge was originally codenamed "Spartan" and was included with Windows 10 as the operating system's default web browser before it was officially named Edge. The Edge mantle is being taken up by Microsoft's Chromium-based browser, which was in beta throughout 2019 and officially launched in January 2020. This means Edge (the old Edge, that is) survived just over a year alongside its replacement. Microsoft also says Legacy Edge will automatically be removed by the April Windows 10 update, with the new Edge being installed in its stead.
Is it just me (Score:2)
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I don't know any 'web programmer' who builds anything serious.
Re: Is it just me (Score:4, Interesting)
Well, any serious web developer takes care to ensure that the W3C standards are followed and test accordingly.
But today web development is done with Lego Duplo blocks and not skillfully handcrafted. The result is that the skilled programmers are only requested by framework builders and the dirty sector of trackers, ad servers, spies and scammers.
Re: Is it just me (Score:2)
While I agree with you in theory, the budget of most customers requires the use of a pre-built CMS. Even when they have a large budget, they will still want a CMS that makes things easy for the content creators.
Personally, I think the ideal way is to make a custom CMS using something like Django or Flask, but most mom and pop shops do not need that and cannot afford it, so most of the web is Wordpress.
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The HTML is just a UI front end to the serious application.
Just like how older programmers needed to use ANSI, 3270, VTxxx for their mainframe apps. Using box characters, and inverted colors for input fields.
Then they moved to windowed forms to collect the information.
Then they switched to HTML (which is actually much more comfortable to the old mainframe UI Coding vs the OOP insanity of Window Forms)
So saying a web programmer isn't a serious programmer, it also saying a Mainframe programmer isn't a seriou
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During development it was NOT bloated, and the name was entirely appropriate (and not just for Halo reasons).
Obviously, Microsoft made it shittier and shittier until they finally launched it, then almost immediately gave it up to make it just chromium with a shitty icon.
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Spartan was far from bloated. It was actually, to everyones surprise, nimble, lightweight and surprisingly compliant. The only browser now that comes even close to that would be Apples Safari but tthats a mac only thing.
Re:Is it just me (Score:5, Interesting)
Re: Is it just me (Score:1)
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Because Google did what Microsoft tried but failed to do, Google hijacked web standards, and so the only way to ever have a compliant rendering engine is by using the one Google is supporting.
It sucks, but the same people who bitched about Microsoft's anti-trust trial and still can't let it go are the ones who shepherded through with great fanfare Google's ransacking of the broadly fair democratic process at the W3C and replaced it with Ian Hickson's Google funded dictatorship = WHATWG because they mistaken
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Yes, I think it is a shame that we are down to one render engine plus whatever Apple does. Edge the render engine was surprisingly good, fast, easy on memory etc. In my view, it was just Edge the browser holding things back - it was not ready when it was released.
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The "whatever Apple does", is basically the same thing.
Apple forked Konqueror / khtml to create Safari / webkit. Google forked Safari / webkit to create Chrome / Blink. Microsoft forked Chrome to create Chromium Edge.
The only genuinely different rendering engine in widespread active use is Firefox / gecko.
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Re: Is it just me (Score:2)
Old edge was pretty nice. It also had 2-3 times better performance on speedtest.net than other browsers, if that's a metric.
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Being that we still need IE compatibility, but not Edge compatibility really shows how Microsoft dropped the ball on its Edge deployment.
Edge dropped all the crappy compatibility that all the older apps used, but then replaced it with an more modern HTML Engine, but Chromium was years ahead of Microsoft so if you are going off IE and have to re code your HTML, you might as well be using Chrome as the baseline.
Pepsi generation. (Score:3)
Old Coke has been replaced by new Coke.
I have another proposal (Score:2, Insightful)
How about an option to remove the old Edge, and not install anything in its place? I think many would appreciate it.
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Exactly. Actually I used MS' own (little publicized) script / reg edit file to block download of "New Edge" and I wonder how the new update will be affected by that or not... I mean, AFAIK the existing updates alread forced dowloading new Edge, so the only people who haven't downloaded would be people who blocked it.
Personally, I would be thrilled if I could delete the old one while not installing the new one, as I never use either and am creeped out by their presence. I couldn't figure out way to delete ol
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I have not tested this in a recent build, but Edge was a removable feature. Settings > Apps > Apps and Features > Microsoft Edge > Remove.
Too bad (Score:5, Insightful)
It would have been nice to have a real alternative browser. The more implementations there are, the firmer the specification has to be.
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Pull the network cable, and don't connect to wifi. There, no updates.
Open Source It (Score:1)
It would be nice if they put the source code on github and not just discard it.
That's why I still use IE (Score:2)
This is a tragedy! (Score:2)
Microsoft is ending support for the old Edge? This catastrophe could impact the entire user base. Dozens of people could be affected; hundreds, even!
it's over! (Score:1)
IE is still bigger than Edge Legacy (Score:2)
IE is still holding strong at 0.81% according to the latest Statcounter, Edge Legacy is at 0.31%. Chrome is at 63%, Safari at 19.14% and Firefox at 3.76%.
How the mighty have fallen... :)