Amazon's Denial of Workers Peeing in Bottles Sparks Questions and Backlash (theguardian.com) 116
An anonymous reader shares a report: To paraphrase one of the most iconic tweets of the past 10 years, Amazon's recent denial about employees not being forced to urinate in bottles at work has people asking a lot of questions already answered by the denial. In a tweet sent last night, the official Amazon News account for the behemoth corporation, whose CEO, Jeff Bezos, saw his personal net worth increase by $70bn during the pandemic, wrote: "You don't really believe the peeing in bottles thing, do you? If that were true, nobody would work for us. The truth is that we have over a million incredible employees around the world who are proud of what they do, and have great wages and health care from day one." In under 12 hours the tweet has been quote-tweeted 9,000 times. (For those unversed in the dark Twitter metric arts that's ... not good.)
The thousands of gleeful and mocking rejoinders to Amazon's post came with good reason. The company is currently in the midst of a public relations battle with a group of workers in Alabama attempting to unionize. In an attempt to forestall such a historic move, Amazon has been on a campaign to illustrate just how well, in fact, they treat their workers. It doesn't seem to be working! Numerous high-profile labor organizers, celebrities and politicians like Bernie Sanders have joined the side of the striking workers. The Vermont senator is set to travel to Alabama on Friday to meet with them. The botched PR response in question in this case came as a reply to a tweet from another lawmaker, the Wisconsin congressman Mark Pocan, who himself was responding to jabs thrown by another Amazon executive, Dave Clark. Clark had attempted to draw a snarky analogy between his company and the success record of Sanders in his home state, saying: "I often say we are the Bernie Sanders of employers, but that's not quite right because we actually deliver a progressive workplace." Further reading: Amazon Denies Workers Pee in Bottles. Here Are the Pee Bottles.
The thousands of gleeful and mocking rejoinders to Amazon's post came with good reason. The company is currently in the midst of a public relations battle with a group of workers in Alabama attempting to unionize. In an attempt to forestall such a historic move, Amazon has been on a campaign to illustrate just how well, in fact, they treat their workers. It doesn't seem to be working! Numerous high-profile labor organizers, celebrities and politicians like Bernie Sanders have joined the side of the striking workers. The Vermont senator is set to travel to Alabama on Friday to meet with them. The botched PR response in question in this case came as a reply to a tweet from another lawmaker, the Wisconsin congressman Mark Pocan, who himself was responding to jabs thrown by another Amazon executive, Dave Clark. Clark had attempted to draw a snarky analogy between his company and the success record of Sanders in his home state, saying: "I often say we are the Bernie Sanders of employers, but that's not quite right because we actually deliver a progressive workplace." Further reading: Amazon Denies Workers Pee in Bottles. Here Are the Pee Bottles.
Poor Amazon. (Score:1)
Re:Poor Amazon. (Score:4, Interesting)
To be truthful Amazon is the highest paying job with the most benefits and most time off that I've ever held in 45 years of being in the workplace. I get to do interesting and important work with some of the most intelligent people that I've ever met in my life in a company working on bleeding-edge technology. I work with people who have come up from the Fulfillment Centers, who have started as low wage contractors (like myself), who have escaped from the hell of Silicon Valley, who were formerly career academics, and who have come from the NSA and other government agencies, the previous group that I worked with included people who were born in nine different countries. I'm having a great time.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Re: Poor Amazon. (Score:2)
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Nope, but my boss did accidentally lock him in his office once.
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the previous group that I worked with included people who were born in nine different countries
Isn't that every IT dept everywhere? Now tell us how many Conservatives you work with... Diversity of skin colour, never of thought...
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I work with one conservative, one bleeding heart liberal, and a bunch of people who have more nuanced views about a variety of issues. As an example one of the most liberal of our group hunts and another target shoots, and one of the most conservative has never touched a gun and thinks they should be prohibited for the majority.
It's nice to be somewhere that there really **IS** a diversity of thought, because here people actually think about their positions.
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The workers trying to unionize are already making more than any other non-Teamsters warehouse worker in their state on their first day. You probably didn't know that, and probably are also unaware that less than 20% of Amazon employees work in the fulfillment centers.
They most certainly ARE like me, or at least like me 20-some years ago when I did warehouse and retail work. I decided that it sucked, and got enough education to get out of what I saw as a dead end job. They also have that opportunity, exce
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Re:So if it isn't bottles... (Score:4, Insightful)
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Amazon drivers don't work for Amazon they sub that (Score:5, Interesting)
Amazon drivers don't work for Amazon they sub that out but control them like they work for Amazon and they are on high quotas that force them to piss like that.
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Amazon drivers don't work for Amazon they sub that out but control them like they work for Amazon and they are on high quotas that force them to piss like that.
This isn't an excuse for Amazon but I did home services for a while and bathrooms for mobile workers are a real problem. I kept my own schedule, but finding a place and a time was problematic. Some residential customers didn't invite me in, and in many other cases it didn't seem appropriate to ask. Other jobsites nobody was home so I couldn't have asked if I tried. Gas stations were hit and miss on availability and if they fit into my route. Grocery stores were possible in some locations but inconvenient due to the large parking lot. I found myself limiting my water intake and becoming chronically dehydrated. There were a couple occasions I had no choice but the bottle.
I have an office job now, but I sympathize with the workers who must plan their day around bathroom breaks. It sucks.
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Public park restrooms were an option, until COVID19.
Shark Tank... (Score:3)
No, this isn't a mobile app promoting positive thinking, it's a ground-breaking new idea that solves a critical problem in today's gig-economy - going to the bathroom in a car.
This is our product, a stylish receptacle with an adjustable opening that's both functional and beautiful.
Yes we have both utility patents and design patents, and we also generate ongoing revenue with the sales of replaceable filters.
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Probably not true (Score:3)
Why even call attention to an absurd statement in the first place? It's like making a tweet stating that you aren't a baby rapist.
Video evidence of worse problems (Score:2)
Their delivery drivers have been caught on video shitting on sidewalks, so we have video evidence that they're forcing people to do much worse than peeing in a bottle in a warehouse.
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Old school (Score:5, Interesting)
For gig workers, toilet time is lost money.
John Oliver just did a vid on meat packing (Score:2)
Re:Old school (Score:4, Informative)
Nabisco in LA 25 years ago settled a lawsuit, part of which they limited restroom use so employees had to wear diapers. In a plant where I worked for a while, the older supervises admitted they did the same to meet quotas. So many people I know think they will work in a job where they will free and unlimited use of the toilets. My friends have worked in firms where you use a key card to get in the toilets, your time recorded. Many states do not have mandated break time, just a meal time.
It was like this when I worked dial-up internet tech support in the 90's. We had to sign up for a lunch break, and if you didn't sign up early then you didn't get a lunch break. Bathroom breaks were allowed, but the time away from the phone was tracked and you'd be scolded by management for using too much. When they found out I was going back to college they cut my pay and took away my headset, so I had to hold the phone receiver between my cheek and shoulder. 10 hours a day of that will fuck up your neck.
Worst job I've ever had. Employees would just silently walk out and never come back. I still can't believe nobody shot up the place.
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Nabisco in LA 25 years ago settled a lawsuit, part of which they limited restroom use so employees had to wear diapers.
Name and shame please -- who was it that you worked for ?
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Name and shame please -- who was it that you worked for ?
Not the GP, but I worked for Teletech, now called TTec about 20 years ago. Not as bad as these stories but everything was electronically timed, time on call, time waiting for call, breaks, toilet lunch etc and it was no mercy if you went over the specified times. I heard that they had a formula that the expect to get 12 months out of an average worker, if they last longer it's a bonus.
I ended up getting fired for having the lyrics to the Southpark Theme on my home drive. It was the worst place I've ever wo
Re:Old school (Score:4, Informative)
Maximum time per call was 5 minutes for me. Think about helping an old lady reinstall the TCP/IP stack in Windows 95 in 5 minutes. Not going to happen. I got reprimanded regularly for call time because I actually tried to help people. Others around the call center figured out that it was the average call time that mattered - management never looked at individual times. So if a call took 15 minutes, they'd immediately hang up on the next two calls. Voila! Five minute average. So when you're waiting in a queue for a half hour and suddenly get disconnected, that's why.
I went through orientation with a group of about 30 new hires. Three months later, I was the only one of the group still working there. Which makes it even more absurd that they changed me to a "temporary" employee when they found out I was going back to college, when I'd already outlasted everyone else.
It was a good learning experience. I developed the skill to stay completely calm no matter how much I got yelled at. That skill has been invaluable now that I have a wife and kids.
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Maximum time per call was 5 minutes for me.
Lol we had a 4 minute average from memory, but same deal if you had a long call you simply gave the next person a weak excuse and hung up on them to keep your average down. Our average queue length was 30-40 minutes all day every day so hanging up on people got them pretty pissed.
Such a toxic environment...
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Erols Internet, bought by RCN Corporation while I was there - who actually managed to make working there worse. Unfortunately they're still around. I'm sure they've long since outsourced all their tech support to India.
believe it (Score:2)
I suspect that Amazon pushes workers so hard that they have no choice but to pee in bottles while continuing to work. I believe the employees over Amazon here.
More Public Restrooms? (Score:4, Insightful)
There is a serious lack of public restroom facilities in US cities.
On the downside, building more public restrooms would be yet another cost externalization by Amazon onto the public, but on the upside one could reasonably expect to be able to enforce public urination statutes given reasonable availability.
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>> There is a serious lack of public restroom facilities in US cities.
There is a reason for the lack of public restrooms in US cities. It is that they instantly become places for the homeless to shoot up drugs, camp out, and even have sex. I have seen all 3 with my own two eyes. Believe me, there is no eye-bleach strong enough to un-see the nasty privates of some homeless woman bouncing up and down on some dude in the public toilet of the food court that used to be at the city center. Now that foo
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There is a serious lack of public restroom facilities in US cities.
I travel a fair bit around the world and this is a problem everywhere. I live in Australia, we have (relatively) clean public toilets everywhere so you never think about it. When I travel I always take toilet paper in case I have to take an emergency shit in the street. There's never any toilets anywhere, or if there are they are filthy or cost money to use. What sort of 3rd world society can't provide public toilets?
Fucking Piece of Shit Amazon (Score:2)
'Nuff said.
People should be shitting and pissing in the truck proper. And leaving it for management to clean.
Let's see how quickly bathroom breaks become mandatory.
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Where do you work that management does the cleaning? You shit in the truck and refuse to clean it, then you will drive a smelly truck.
Friendly reminder ... (Score:5, Funny)
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Somehow this reminds me of Slurm. [nocookie.net]
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Wow, that's so ignorant it's shocking, even for an AC. There IS no main HQ, the South Lake Union campus covers a couple dozen buildings spread out over a couple of square miles. The only time that I've seen wait times for any rest room on the campus is at shift change or lunch time, and I've been there over 8 years.
A Reason For One Horse Towns (Score:3)
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Some of the centers are in major cities, but a lot of them are in fact in small towns as the parent poster indicated. Proximity to major highways is often a more important consideration. In Florida, for instance, here are a few:
Auburndale - pop. 13,507
Davenport - pop. 2,188
Ruskin - pop. 25,530
Opa-locka - pop. 16,149
Just so you know, that's what the fuck he's talking about.
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Davenport - pop. 2,188
Ruskin - pop. 25,530
Opa-locka - pop. 16,149
all at good central location to population centers with at least 2 major roadways
opa-locka must have given a ton of tax breaks for all those jobs ( it's basically
an inner city hell hole that needs re-gentrification and or massive job opportunity
for low skilled labor )
There is probably to each one of those 3 location, a specific percentage of jobs
required for the community.
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Businessweek did just that a while back. Turns out the burger flipper in Denmark has a much. much better life than me, a pro with 30 yrs experience plus education in my field. US companies are a ripoff. Their whole business is fraud and greed. And they own the politicians.
R. Kelly? (Score:2)
Re:Amazon is an equal opportunity abuser (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, fake concern for women and minorities can and is used to distract from workers' rights. But y'all use "gun rights" and abortion the same way, because the same elites are donating to Republicans and Democrats both. So don't try and pretend the right wing cares about the working class. You could have passed any number of pro worker laws when you had the White House, the Senate, and the House. Nothing. Not even an attempt to pass, oh say, an infrastructure bill.
And you hate anyone "left wing" who actually tries to help the working class. "That's socialism!" you cry, as you hand another fat tax cut to the ultra wealthy, who invest it overseas or buy up all the housing in our cities instead of investing it in actual jobs.
What has the right wing done for workers in the last hundred years? Nothing except kill unions, gut workplace safety laws, and let corporations run roughshod over workers' rights.
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You could have passed any number of pro worker laws when you had the White House
Not everyone believes that "passing laws" is the best way to help workers.
Some of us believe that the best help for workers is a strong and growing economy.
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But your ideas for a strong and growing economy are proven not to work. Trickle down is a joke. The rich just offshore their money. Why would they invest in American companies, when they have stolen all the money from our economy, with the help of their bought and paid for Republicans?
So, what, exactly, did Trump do to improve the economy? Be specific.
Re:Amazon is an equal opportunity abuser (Score:4, Informative)
But your ideas for a strong and growing economy are proven not to work.
The US has the largest economy in the world and is growing. You definition of not working seems odd.
Trickle down is a joke. The rich just offshore their money.
Those evil rich people, it's all their fault.
Did you know for 90% of the world, you are the rich guy in this story? Which offshore have you put all your money into?
Why would they invest in American companies, when they have stolen all the money from our economy, with the help of their bought and paid for Republicans?
Jeff Bezos went from zero to richest man in the world who employs nearly 1 million people. But let's pretend that never happened...
So, what, exactly, did Trump do to improve the economy? Be specific.
Tax cuts
Lowest unemployment since WW2
Highest average wage
Lowest Poverty rate
Dow Jones the highest ever
56% of Americans said they were better off in 2020 than 2016
But Orange Man Bad, so we'll pretend that never happened either....
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You're just quoting numbers. What did Trump DO? What made this his good economy, rather than just a good economy?
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You're just quoting numbers. What did Trump DO? What made this his good economy, rather than just a good economy?
Tax cuts, like I already said. TDS strikes again...
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How did tax cuts for the very wealthy impact businesses? It's not as if they invested that money we handed them into the economy in America! No, Trump inherited an excellent economy from Obama, and then did absolutely nothing to help it. Tax cuts for the wealthy don't boost the economy, Truckle down has been proven, from forty years of failures, not to work.
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How did tax cuts for the very wealthy impact businesses?
Oh dear, when you've dug yourself a hole, it's best to stop digging.
The tax cuts apply to both businesses and individuals all the way down to minimum wage incomes. The immediate affect was more employment and more take home pay for most people. But I'm sure you'll invent an excuse to pretend this didn't happen...
It's not as if they invested that money we handed them into the economy in America!
Prior to the Pandemic, after the cuts implemented by Trump, the job rate was the highest it has been since WW2. That only happens with investment. But I'm sure you'll invent an excuse to pretend t
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The tax cuts Trump made were mostly just deduction changes for those in the middle class. We ended up owing more at the end of the year. And they sunset, gradually going away while the cuts for the rich are kept.
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The tax cuts Trump made were mostly just deduction changes for those in the middle class.
You said it was only the 'very wealthy', now it's only the middle class?
TDS in full effect...
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Don't understand English very well, do you? Trump gave fake tax cuts to the middle class. It was really just a change in deductions. So less was taken from our paychecks. At the end of the year, we had to pay most of that back.
And to make matters even worse, what little cuts there really are set to phase out, while the rich get to keep their enormous cuts.
And you are just another OMBad sockpuppet. Your writing "style" is unmistakable.
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Don't understand English very well, do you? Trump gave fake tax cuts to the middle class. It was really just a change in deductions. So less was taken from our paychecks. At the end of the year, we had to pay most of that back.
Lol, repeating stuff doesn't magically make it true you twit.
Let's see what the Tax Cuts actually did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
"Most individual income taxes are reduced, until 2025. The number of income tax brackets remain at seven, but the income ranges in several brackets have been changed and each new bracket has lower rates"
"The tax cuts are expected to increase deficits thereby stimulating the economy, increasing GDP and employment"
So lower tax rates for most incomes, and higher GDP and
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The US has the largest economy in the world and is growing. You definition of not working seems odd.
It is unsustainable. "It seems to be working now" doesn't mean it's going to continue to work. This path predictably leads to revolution. Every time the workers get poorer and poorer and have fewer and fewer of their needs met, we get closer and closer to upheaval that threatens the perpetuation of the system. And that is precisely what is happening right now. As well, the system is currently based on ignoring externalities which cannot be ignored forever. AGW is already causing losses. Those losses will su
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It is unsustainable. "It seems to be working now" doesn't mean it's going to continue to work. This path predictably leads to revolution.
Seems like an emotive statement...
Every time the workers get poorer and poorer and have fewer and fewer of their needs met, we get closer and closer to upheaval that threatens the perpetuation of the system. And that is precisely what is happening right now.
Well this is quite demonstrably false. Take out the unique circumstance of a once in 100 year Pandemic which will pass, and the economy was strong and employment was the lowest since WW2. The poor today live better than the richest people did 100 years ago. Everything you said is the standard lefty talking points which aren't supported by facts.
Globally, we are in the middle of the largest movement out of poverty that humanity has ever seen. I suggest you check out the Han
Re:Amazon is an equal opportunity abuser (Score:4, Insightful)
"Some of us believe that the best help for workers is a strong and growing economy"
But not senate republicans, who consistently avoid promoting that.
They set up stimulus payments to go to companies that don't need them, and opposed stimulus for ordinary people, even though we know that handing money to people is the best way to stimulate the economy because every dollar you hand them results in two dollars in economic activity (after they spend the money, it is spent several more times before the wealthy get their hands on it and hide it in a tax haven.)
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They set up stimulus payments to go to companies that don't need them, and opposed stimulus for ordinary people,
Don't forget violating the Constitution by giving at least $10 billion in stimulus money to churches [npr.org]. The Catholic Church alone received up to $3.4 billion [forbes.com] which went to dioceses which paid out millions or declared bankruptcy for covering up child rapes.
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What has the right wing done for workers in the last hundred years? Nothing except kill unions, gut workplace safety laws, and let corporations run roughshod over workers' rights.
Provide JOBS to the workers?
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How did politicians provide jobs to the workers? By employing them, or by passing laws? If the first, who and how many workers did they employ, at what task? if the second, what laws?
Think. Don't just parrot back things you have heard. Think and analyze.
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Yeah, you're alt right trash. Talk about hate filled, one glance at your comments page shows what you really are. So many -1 Troll comments, nothing of value added to the conversation, ever. You can't hide your seething, impotent hatred for most of humanity, and especially for those who want equality and justice. You are a garbage tier human.
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Yeah, you're alt right trash. Talk about hate filled, one glance at your comments page shows what you really are. So many -1 Troll comments, nothing of value added to the conversation, ever. You can't hide your seething, impotent hatred for most of humanity, and especially for those who want equality and justice. You are a garbage tier human.
So much acceptance, inclusivity and tolerance of diversity in one post.
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You don't give a fuck about that, you just think that I must be lefty, so I must be all about that "acceptance, inclusivity and tolerance of diversity." You are probably chortling into your Mountain Dew, clapping yourself on your fat back over how clever you are.
Here's the thing, if we want tolerance in society, the one thing we can never tolerate is intolerance. It's called the paradox of tolerance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
So, I can be completely in support of "acceptance, inclusivity and toleran
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Some opinions must not be accepted, if you want a diverse and equitable society. Which you do not want. So your opinion gets shit on by all good people who do want such a thing. As it should be: you and your ideas are pure evil. You WANT tyranny, not freedom. You just want license for yourself. You don't even understand what freedom means. Hint: it's not "rules for thee but not for me."
And for fuck's sake, stop with all the sock puppetry. Or at least be less obvious about it.
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Oh, is this another alt? Doing a little sock puppetry? Or did you forget which account was which? LOL at you bud. Your anger is cathartic, did you know that? Show me how angry you are. Do it.
You are powerless, here and in the rest of your life.
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Yeah, except the Republicans did not fight for civil rights. They fought against them. Tell me what laws Republicans passed, or helped pass, that advanced the cause of civil rights?
Please educate yourself before you sound even more foolish than you already do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Are you shitting me with this? You have to go back to the civil war, and ignore everything since, in order to make a claim that "republicans" fought for civil rights. Neither party is anything like what they were back then. You are completely ignoring the civil rights era and the Southern Strategy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
You CAN'T be that dumb or brainwashed. You have to be trolling.
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You did ask: I answered your question with historical fact, even if it's from generations ago. Ignoring it discredits your claims about modern politics: it's helpful to remember how modern political parties got to their current states.
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That's some idiocracy level bullshit. Educate yourself in political history. The modern parties went through three major shifts since then, historians count them all as different party systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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If you're going to not count their major political acts from generations ago, I'm afraid you'll lose the historical context of decisions they make now. The Civil War is an ongoing source of political motivation: it shouldn't be simply ignored or forgotten, anymore than centuries of legal precedent can be simply discarded in teaching about human rights.
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But you seem to be ignoring the three major political shifts in parties that happened since then. The Republicans of today are three times removed from the Republicans of the civil war era. Might as well comment on the Whigs as if they are a current day party.
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The Republican party kept the same name, and they cite it politically today as part of their heritage. To discard that history is to discard the history of slavery itself, similar to discarding the history of the Confederacy and the "Jim Crow" abuse of the Dixiecrats that helped create racial abuse in the USA.
I'm not ignoring the political shifts. If I may quote you, "The Republicans did not fight for civil rights". The claim is not well founded. They've discarded the battle for the rights of the poor and t
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Oh, are they "strong on civil rights?" Ask the Black Panthers how much the Republicans really care about the 2nd amendment. And let's be frank, "states rights" has only ever meant one thing: the right to discriminate against people of color.
Nobody is discarding history, but you are twisting it to create a false narrative.
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Please stop trying to threadjack (Score:5, Interesting)
For anyone reading this, down mod and move on. This is a troll trying to high jack the discussion about Amazon employees being abused by bringing the "culture war" into it.
Notice how the comment is masterfully made so that whether you're on the right or left of the issue you'll chime in and derail the conversation. It incites a kneejerk and angry response from pretty much every side.
Honestly I think sinij is a professional, or getting marching orders from one. This threadjack is too well made to be an amateur. Learn to spot these so we can have better, more fruitful discussions online.
He's not an asshole (Score:1, Troll)
We need to learn the media literacy needed to call these talking points out where ever they come from.
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That's because he's a troll (Score:2)
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It doesn't matter if you're a Russian Troll or not (Score:2)
If you're somehow not a Russian troll and actually believe this culture war nonsense, stop. Go watch Beau Of The Fifth Column and get away from right wing media.
But as it stands we can and will treat you as a Russian troll because, well, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. The difference is you can stop being a duck any time you want.
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you're using their tactics: which is to say you're focusing on a pointless wedge issue meant to weaken the American people and their economy.
Disagreeing with your woke claptrap is pointless wedge? I see identity politics and its anti-meritocratic and inherently divisive nature as a civilization-destroying threat. Longer we fight over wedding cakes and bathrooms, longer multinationals like Amazon, Google, Facebook and so on will be able to stick it to all of us. I watched marching ideologues sloganeering into famine-inducing stagnation in USSR, what I am now seeing is too close to what was happening back then. Have you ever paused to consider as
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Quack quack
I see complete and total intellectual capitulation on your part and devolution into juvenile behavior. If you can't defend (or even understand) your own ideas, what good are they?
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Sanders Campaign, Workers Ratify Union Contract [npr.org]