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Investigation Finds Links Between Seamy Slander Sites and Reputation-Management Services (nytimes.com) 51

This week the New York Times published their online investigation into the seamy world of the professional slander industry. (Alternate URL.)
At first glance, the websites appear amateurish. They have names like BadGirlReports.date, BustedCheaters.com and WorstHomeWrecker.com. Photos are badly cropped. Grammar and spelling are afterthoughts. They are clunky and text-heavy, as if they're intended to be read by machines, not humans. But do not underestimate their power...

One woman in Ohio was the subject of so many negative posts that Bing declared in bold at the top of her search results that she "is a liar and a cheater" — the same way it states that Barack Obama was the 44th president of the United States. For roughly 500 of the 6,000 people we searched for, Google suggested adding the phrase "cheater" to a search of their names. The unverified claims are on obscure, ridiculous-looking sites, but search engines give them a veneer of credibility. Posts from Cheaterboard.com appear in Google results alongside Facebook pages and LinkedIn profiles....

That would be bad enough for people whose reputations have been savaged. But the problem is all the worse because it's so hard to fix. And that is largely because of the secret, symbiotic relationship between those facilitating slander and those getting paid to remove it.

Who, exactly? The Times spoke to:
  • Cyrus Sullivan, the Portland-based owner of one site who also runs a reputation-management service "to help people get 'undesirable information' about themselves removed from their search engine results. The 'gold package' cost $699.99. For those customers, Mr. Sullivan would alter the computer code underlying the offending posts, instructing search engines to ignore them...."
  • 247Removal's owner Heidi Glosser, who "charges $750 or more per post removal, which adds up to thousands of dollars for most of her clients. To get posts removed, she said, she often pays an 'administrative fee' to the gripe site's webmaster. We asked her whether this was extortion. 'I can't really give you a direct answer,' she said." She appeared to have links to...
  • Web developer Vikram Parmar, who seemed to be running several sites that produced slander while also simultaneously running sites that made money by removing that slander.

But finally, the Times reminded their readers that "in certain circumstances, Google will remove harmful content from individuals' search results, including links to 'sites with exploitative removal practices.' If a site charges to remove posts, you can ask Google not to list it.

"Google didn't advertise this policy widely, and few victims of online slander seem aware that it's an option. That's in part because when you Google ways to clean up your search results, Google's solution is buried under ads for reputation-management services..."


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Investigation Finds Links Between Seamy Slander Sites and Reputation-Management Services

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  • by FudRucker ( 866063 ) on Sunday May 02, 2021 @04:43PM (#61339286)
    and put them in jail, for running a criminal racket, just because it is on the internet dont make it any less criminal, they should be sitting in federal prison doing 20 years hard time
    • Who the fuck do you think is DOING it? Yea. Keep asking yourself why the FBI hasn't stepped in. (Incidentally this has been happening to me for years, but usually people just think you're crazy when you tell them.)

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  • So ... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Sunday May 02, 2021 @05:00PM (#61339300)

    The 'gold package' cost $699.99. For those customers, Mr. Sullivan would alter the computer code underlying the offending posts, instructing search engines to ignore them...."

    Either he actually owns/controls the offending websites or will be breaking into / hacking them. One's a scam, the other's a crime.

    • A scam's also a crime.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      You know, a statement like "altering the computer code" is still a dead giveaway that the person writing the story has absolutely no clue how things work.

      • What tipped me off was the "declared in bold" part as though Bing was the one yelling "SHE'S A FUCKING CHEATING LYING WHORE". Anyone who wants to write about the internet should be told to look up goatse, tubgirl, harlequin fetus, and lemon party, if they don't immediately refuse then they're not qualified to write about the internet.

  • Perhaps she is a liar and a cheat? Or shares a name with someone who is? Search will always be gamed and sad stories have better backstories than the arrest record. These 'reputation sites' sell the information about you. It's almost natural for them to advertise their services by claiming salacious details in search results. I'm not sure how Google eliminates them, so far it's a 'cat and mouse game', sadly they can profit from the mice, until the infestation scares off searchers.
  • by Pollux ( 102520 ) <speter@[ ]ata.net.eg ['ted' in gap]> on Sunday May 02, 2021 @05:03PM (#61339310) Journal

    ...for Al's Glass [knowyourmeme.com].

  • Any site that wishes to charge to remove such information can only charge 1/2 the price they charged to post it, and must do so in no less time then they took to accept the listing.

    If it was free to post, it must be free to remove.

  • by fustakrakich ( 1673220 ) on Sunday May 02, 2021 @05:28PM (#61339380) Journal

    This is what will happen with the social credit system some people around here are advocating. Pure destruction by gossip.

    • Pure destruction by gossip.

      That's what the social media [wikipedia.org] in general and Twitter in particular [knowyourmeme.com] are famous for.
      Chinese at least offer an option of rehabilitating one's social credit when they pay their dues to the society.

      Corporate-backed social credit system is operated by people who do it out of spite, hate and for the ego-boost they get out of abuse of others.
      You know... Witch-hunts.

      And those never end.
      Not even [otherwiseaward.org] long after you're dead. [wikipedia.org]

  • This type of grift/blackmail is probably as old as the human race...

    https://www.texasmonthly.com/n... [texasmonthly.com]

    "Armes said he had a stack of pictures a foot deep. He said he was sitting right there then looking at one of me in a daisy chain. I asked him what a daisy chain was, and he told me. Well, I hadnâ(TM)t been in a daisy chain recently, but I was still worried. Then he got to the point: he said my ex-wife had paid his agents $3,000 cash, so if Iâ(TM)d put up another $300 heâ(TM)d give me the pict

  • It would be wrong for me to suggest that putting a bullet in each of their heads would solve this problem. So I won't do that.

    • It would not be wrong though, if you accidentially had looked the other way, while a suicidal crack addict had done it before jumping off that bridge, would it? ;)
      I mean what a timing! You can't stare at them all the time anyway, or people think you got crazy eyes.

      • I'm always surprised in cases like this that just one of the people they victimize hasn't hunted them down and filled them full of lead. It says a lot about the general level of restraint people possess.

  • How much is Alphabet/Google in on the take?
  • Everything old is new again.

    Seems Google didn't stop is as well as they said they did.
    And didn't we always know...

  • by Anonymous Coward

    What if... this isn't really a huge deal?

    The primary victims here - as in, people who actually pay the fees - seem to be extremely Type A strung-out stressaholics who, frankly, take themselves too seriously for their own good.

    Any job that would make a hiring decision based on these sites is clearly being run by morons - morons a cut below the average morons running a company, mind. Same with potential dating partners. In both cases, these scumbag sites serve as an unintentional bug-zapper for jobs you won't

  • That's literally one of the few times I've laughed so hard. When I read that the search engines default result for her was that I just about spit my coffee out.

  • Is Google. Between the ads and the search engine, they made this unethical industry possible.
  • by jhylkema ( 545853 ) on Sunday May 02, 2021 @11:57PM (#61340116)

    like Yelp?

  • You mean the search suggestions determined by recurring phrases on the internet was emphasized to show that it was an amended search? First day on the internet?

    Also, >using bing

  • "Link found between outbreak of snakes and travelling snakecatcher"

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