India Grants Approval For 5G Trials, Avoids Chinese Firms (techcrunch.com) 34
Indian telecom ministry on Tuesday said it has granted several telecom service providers permission to conduct a six-month trial for the use and application of 5G technology in the country. From a report: New Delhi has granted approval to over a dozen firm spanning multiple nationalities -- excluding China. Among the telecom operators that have received the grant include Jio Platforms, Airtel, Vodafone Idea, and MTNL. These firms, the ministry said, will work with original equipment manufacturers and tech providers Ericsson, Nokia, Samsung, and C-Dot. Jio Platforms, additionally, has been granted permission to conduct trials using its own homegrown technology. In a press note, the Department of Telecommunications didn't specify anything about China, but a person familiar with the matter confirmed that Chinese giants Huawei and ZTE aren't among those who have received the approval. [...] India's move on Tuesday follows similar decisions taken by the U.S., UK, and Australia, all of which have expressed concerns about Huawei and ZTE and their ties with the Chinese government.
are they officially in a cold war? (Score:3, Informative)
I mean these two have been at odds over their border since the 1840's and more seriously and regularly in dispute since 1947. In some ways the relationship between India and China is in a less repairable state than that of India and Pakistan. Of course China is #1 in territorial disputes, imperialism is alive even in a classless communist nation.
Re:are they officially in a cold war? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:are they officially in a cold war? (Score:4, Insightful)
its not just India, China has been flooding the world markets with shoddy products that barely function for decades, China needs to quit shipping junk around the world and learn the meaning of quality (pun unintended)
China produces the product quality that the buyer demands. If the buyer wants cheap and shoddy, China can produce them. If the buyer wants a top of the line smartphone, China can produce them. The quality of products with a Made in China tag has nothing to do with China's ability to produce high quality products. If we ask them to make us a bologna sandwitch, it is ridiculous to complain when they don't make us a prime ribeye.
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Or just because it was rather cheap I should assume it's crappy? I didn't see any warnings "cheap crap - one a single use" on it.
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At what point in your adult life did you start realizing there's a loose correlation between quality and cost? At what point in your adult life will you realize that freedom of choice also means burden of responsibility? You bear a responsibility of exercising due diligence in every decision you make including purchasing decisions. "Asking for it" is when one chooses to forfeit their due diligence under the guise of it being everyone else's responsibility to do their thinking for them.
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But is sounds like you are saying "don't do bisiness with stores/people you don't know" - if I get into a random store that sells hardware, how I am supposed to figure our if they are selling cheap crap with a lot of markup or selling decent stuff with a lower markup?
Heck, even Ikea sells those cheap Chinese hardware tool sets; do I need to carry device that measures steel quality everywhere I go?
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Re:are they officially in a cold war? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not you who asked for it - it's the (often non-Chinese) parent company that specifies the quality.
Go buy a Wal-mart brand (Hyper Tough I believe these days) drill made in China, then go buy a Dewalt drill of the same type also made in China. They're both made in China but Dewalt specified/orders a higher quality because their reputation is typically better and they don't wan to lose that. As a result the Walmart brand will be cheaper and crappier and the Dewalt will cost more but be better.
In general a lot of US, European, and Japanese companies tend to have a "minimum" quality level that they're effectively embarrassed to go below. China doesn't care and will happily build it as crappy as you want - up to and including a practically disposable item or even one that won't even work once.
Traditionally that would tank a company's reputation, but when you're just building for another company and your name isn't going on it they don't tend to care as much. Or they rapidly change their "company" name on the products on a regular basis so that nobody really knows whos making what. Ever notice that for a lot of products you can go to Amazon and there are about 30 variants of the same thing (particularly tools), but the name and maybe color scheme changes between each one - and the names look like they're randomly generated. Dedilac or Xerikal or Bunsila or Zerulow. Just enough consonants and vowels mashed together to make a disposable name that will be abandoned within a few months tops. If their product is crap you can't even avoid them in the future because they'll be slapping a different made-up name on the stuff.
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You are confusing the supplier with the engineers and product designers who provide specifications to the supplier. They determine the quality of the end product far more than the supplier. If the engineer asks for a weaker or thinner layer of plastic or metal, the product will be more fragile. It will also be cheaper. But you won't necessarily see any of those savings. The company selling you the product might pocket all the savings. Either way, it still isn't the fault of the Chinese supplier.
Re:are they officially in a cold war? (Score:4, Insightful)
if the free market cared about quality it would pay for quality. that's the fatal flaw of globalization, the one with the lowest standards is the most competitive.
If you want China to quit producing junk, quit buying it. If you want central America to quit making illegal narcotics, then America needs to quit buying them.
I'm not saying the above is a morale and just way to run our society. But it does appear to be how things work currently.
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Chinese 5G tech is top notch, especially Huawei gear. As well as being a couple of years ahead of everyone else, it's proven robust and reliable when deployed. That's why network operators keep buying it.
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They are unofficially in a rather lukewarm war, with occasional skirmishes and casualties on both sides.
China has been invading and making claims on Indian territory for well over half a century, the primary obstacle being the Himalayas.
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Honest truth. Look it up.
Yeah, whenever anyone says something like that, I look it up.
Turns out a hatch was left open while the sub was docked, not when it first tried to submerge.
So much for "honest truth".
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https://nationalinterest.org/b... [nationalinterest.org]
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It is true, this country has no class
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Human Rights issues aside (Score:2)
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trading security for the appearance of fairness
FTFY:
'trading security for greed'
Re:5G Trials Already Underway (Score:4)
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Don't worry. The 5G radiation will sterilize him before he breeds.
India installing 5G, bows to threats (Score:1)
Chinese telecoms infrastructure is a threat to the data collection of US Intelligence agencies.
This is what the whole Chinese 5G issue is - the fear that the NSA will lose access to data by losing access to NSL'd backdoors.
If they thought COVID outbreak bad before... (Score:1)
The Master Plan...it is succeeding! (Score:2)
Soon, vaccines from America will reach India. The Bill Gates' nanobots will then activate, ensuring that millions of India's people will spontaneously begin acting as 5G wifi hotspots. This will provide the NSA with unnumbered listening posts right on the Chinese border, and villagers with uprecedented internet speed and connectivity for their many 5G-capable devices.
Resistance is futile.