'How Lies on Social Media Are Inflaming the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict' (msn.com) 362
The New York Times reports on misinformation that's further inflaming the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:
In a 28-second video, which was posted to Twitter this week by a spokesman for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip appeared to launch rocket attacks at Israelis from densely populated civilian areas.
At least that is what Mr. Netanyahu's spokesman, Ofir Gendelman, said the video portrayed. But his tweet with the footage, which was shared hundreds of times as the conflict between Palestinians and Israelis escalated, was not from Gaza. It was not even from this week. Instead, the video that he shared, which can be found on many YouTube channels and other video-hosting sites, was from 2018. And according to captions on older versions of the video, it showed militants firing rockets not from Gaza but from Syria or Libya.
The video was just one piece of misinformation that has circulated on Twitter, TikTok, Facebook, WhatsApp and other social media this week about the rising violence between Israelis and Palestinians, as Israeli military ground forces attacked Gaza early on Friday. The false information has included videos, photos and clips of text purported to be from government officials in the region, with posts baselessly claiming early this week that Israeli soldiers had invaded Gaza, or that Palestinian mobs were about to rampage through sleepy Israeli suburbs. The lies have been amplified as they have been shared thousands of times on Twitter and Facebook, spreading to WhatsApp and Telegram groups that have thousands of members, according to an analysis by The New York Times.
The effect of the misinformation is potentially deadly, disinformation experts said, inflaming tensions between Israelis and Palestinians when suspicions and distrust have already run high.
At least that is what Mr. Netanyahu's spokesman, Ofir Gendelman, said the video portrayed. But his tweet with the footage, which was shared hundreds of times as the conflict between Palestinians and Israelis escalated, was not from Gaza. It was not even from this week. Instead, the video that he shared, which can be found on many YouTube channels and other video-hosting sites, was from 2018. And according to captions on older versions of the video, it showed militants firing rockets not from Gaza but from Syria or Libya.
The video was just one piece of misinformation that has circulated on Twitter, TikTok, Facebook, WhatsApp and other social media this week about the rising violence between Israelis and Palestinians, as Israeli military ground forces attacked Gaza early on Friday. The false information has included videos, photos and clips of text purported to be from government officials in the region, with posts baselessly claiming early this week that Israeli soldiers had invaded Gaza, or that Palestinian mobs were about to rampage through sleepy Israeli suburbs. The lies have been amplified as they have been shared thousands of times on Twitter and Facebook, spreading to WhatsApp and Telegram groups that have thousands of members, according to an analysis by The New York Times.
The effect of the misinformation is potentially deadly, disinformation experts said, inflaming tensions between Israelis and Palestinians when suspicions and distrust have already run high.
Once upon a time (Score:4, Insightful)
We stepped in to help stop a genocide.
Now, the US is a toothless old hag. There are multiple genocides going on around the world, and we happen to like help funding them by sending military aid or purchasing iPhones through a carefully crafted supply chain to hide the slavery and genocide.
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Burn it all down.
Before you burn down all the social media, you should check the quality and veracity of information available in countries that ban social media.
Social media can be used to spread lies. It can also be used to debunk lies.
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Social media is just gossip being spread around at light speed.
You shouldn't trust it just like you shouldn't trust the old lady who watches everyone like a hawk, just because the source.
People used to have decent gossip filters they vanished when social media started up.
Re:Once upon a time (Score:5, Insightful)
We stepped in to help stop a genocide.
Not really. We had evidence of the holocaust long before we joined WWII. In fact we were profiting from selling materials to both sides of the conflict. For example, we sold fuel and aluminum to the Axis while we were leasing equipment to the Allies. We stepped in personally because Japan made us look like assholes.
Now, some speculate that we actually knew Japan was going to attack, and we let it happen in order to drum up public support for the war, and hey maybe that's true. But that's still weak and weaselly.
Now, the US is a toothless old hag.
With all due respect, that is stupid and wrong. The US is still militarily dominant across the globe. If we're not entering a conflict it's not because we can't, it's because we won't. Probably for reasons of generation of profit.
There are multiple genocides going on around the world, and we happen to like help funding them by sending military aid or purchasing iPhones through a carefully crafted supply chain to hide the slavery and genocide.
This nation was founded on slavery and genocide. Literally.
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That's also a fair way of looking at the situation. However, we, at least, in theory, are not a corporate state. That IBM and other companies sold materiel to these countries isn't the same as the government and armed forces of the United States becoming involved.
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We stepped in personally because Japan made us look like assholes.
Japan attacking pearl harbor made us look like assholes? I don't follow...
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This nation was founded on slavery and genocide. Literally.
Once he said that, you know he is a cultist and knows not of what he speaks. He is the personification of inflammatory lies on social media.
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Japan attacking pearl harbor made us look like assholes? I don't follow...
Because we were caught flat-footed. Nobody likes that. It makes them look weak, even if the attack is cowardly and unannounced. What good are military assets if you can be taken by surprise? You essentially have to retaliate massively.
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But... the Greatest Generation! Once upon a time, we had pretenses!
Re:Once upon a time (Score:5, Insightful)
We stepped in to help stop a genocide.
Unfortunately throughout history the USA stepping in hasn't actually resolved anything and in many ways further destabilised the areas where they were active. Also please don't kid yourselves, the USA hasn't engaged in any conflict in which it didn't stand to gain something. The fact that a few of those could be labelled as "stopping a genocide" is just good public relations which you absolutely fell for.
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The fact that a few of those could be labelled as "stopping a genocide" is just good public relations which you absolutely fell for.
You're telling this to a publicly avowed propagandist...
Evey: Who are you?
V. : Who? Who is but the form following the function of what and what I am is a man in a mask.
Evey: Well I can see that.
V. : Of course you can, I’m not questioning your powers of observation, I’m merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is.
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It's not genocide, it's apartheid. The operational abilities of people in Ghaza got too high and their level of dhimmitude got too low. Shock and awe bombing solves both.
Israel has no intention to genocide or ethnically cleanse Gaza for the moment, the area just isn't important enough to them. They reserve as much of their political capital as possibe for the slow ethnic cleansing of the west bank and trying to get their annexation and ethnic cleansing of the Golan Heights accepted. The rest can wait.
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How you make the claim of apartheid in Israel is astounding ignorance.
It's probably based on the unambiguously racist, divisive and supremacist Nation State law, which categorically asserts rights for only Jewish people.
Or perhaps he meant the effective Israeli control over Gaza and the West Bank, and Israel's explicit policies to separate Israelis from the populations in those territories.
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Care to provide facts or details on this? Otherwise you are just someone spreading spreading lies on social media.
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The US didn't step in when 12 countries, led by a man who got a live in-person tour of Auschwitz from Himmler, tried to finish what the Nazi's started. Why would it step in now when his successors are still at it?
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We stepped in to help stop a genocide.
When was that?
America didn't stop the genocides in Rwanda or Cambodia. The RDF ended the genocide in Rwanda. Vietnam ended the genocide in Cambodia, and America opposed their action. America also opposed the Indian intervention to end the massacre of civilians in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh).
We fought WW2 because Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. It had nothing to do with "stopping a genocide."
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Anyone can hop on social media and "call out" a thing. What, of substance, was actually done? Tariffs? I'm not even against tariffs, but as far as how many genocides it's going to stop, that would be zero. And anyway, the houseplant has mostly kept the tariffs in place.
By the way, the â(TM) in your post tells everyone you tapped out your brave defense of the Weegurs on an iPhone.
Re: Once upon a time (Score:3, Insightful)
He was a thief, a rapist and a coward. As for calling out China, no, he attacked the weak and ignored the strong. Another mark of a coward.
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... but enough about Bill Clinton.
Re: Once upon a time (Score:5, Informative)
Oh yeah he was always real tough on Xi. He was always keen to rail against "China" but as for their leader or any other authoritarian (Xi, Putin, Erdogan, Bolsanaro, Jong-un, Duterte) he vacillated from flowery to groveling.
Jan. 22, Twitter:
“One of the many great things about our just signed giant Trade Deal with China is that it will bring both the USA & China closer together in so many other ways. Terrific working with President Xi, a man who truly loves his country. Much more to come!”
Jan. 24, Twitter:
“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”
Jan. 29, Remarks at signing ceremony for the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement:
“And, honestly, I think, as tough as this negotiation was, I think our relationship with China now might be the best it's been in a long, long time. And now it's reciprocal. Before, we were being ripped off badly. Now we have a reciprocal relationship, maybe even better than reciprocal for us.”
Jan. 30, Fox News interview:
"China is not in great shape right now, unfortunately. But they're working very hard. We'll see what happens. But we're working very closely with China and other countries."
Feb. 7, Remarks at North Carolina Opportunity Now Summit in Charlotte, N.C.:
"I just spoke to President Xi last night, and, you know, we're working on the — the problem, the virus. It's a — it's a very tough situation. But I think he's going to handle it. I think he's handled it really well. We're helping wherever we can."
Feb. 7, Twitter:
“Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!
Feb. 7, Remarks before Marine One departure:
"Late last night, I had a very good talk with President Xi, and we talked about — mostly about the coronavirus. They're working really hard, and I think they are doing a very professional job. They're in touch with World — the World — World Organization. CDC also. We're working together. But World Health is working with them. CDC is working with them. I had a great conversation last night with President Xi. It's a tough situation. I think they're doing a very good job.”
Feb. 10, Fox Business interview:
"I think China is very, you know, professionally run in the sense that they have everything under control," Trump said. "I really believe they are going to have it under control fairly soon. You know in April, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And that's a beautiful date to look forward to. But China I can tell you is working very hard."
Feb. 10, campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.:
“I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s all going to work out fine.”
Feb. 13, Fox News interview:
“I think they've handled it professionally and I think they're extremely capable and I think President Xi is extremely capable and I hope that it's going to be resolved."
Feb. 18, remarks before Air Force One departure:
“I think President Xi is working very hard. As you know, I spoke with him recently. He’s working really hard. It’s a tough problem. I think he’s going to do — look, I’ve seen them build hospitals in a short period of time. I really believe he wants to get that done, and he wants to get it done fast. Yes, I think he’s doing it very professionally.”
Feb. 23, remarks before Marine One depar
Re: Once upon a time (Score:4, Insightful)
Is this 1999 and I have to store text or is it 2021 and accurate quotes are 1st page search results?
"Anyone with anything bad to say about Trump at any time has TDS" is a childish argument.
Re: Once upon a time (Score:3)
Again, do you think I had a "copy pasta ready to go" or did I search "trump xi quotes" and found them within 10 seconds?
The gp comment also "lacked context" and could easily be described as "BDS" if you are so keen on making everything blindingly reductive.
Re: Once upon a time (Score:2)
I guess I admit my search history will pull up politico.com? You got me?
(I also got the same result with VPN/incognito)
Should I try it over Tor?
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Totally. I have invented a teleportation device, and I'm into remotely fellating old men.
It's also obviously a rape, because if there's one thing Trump isn't short on, it's gorgeous women to fellate him whenever he wants it. And I sure as heck am not in that category.
Re: Once upon a time (Score:5, Informative)
Once upon a time we also had a President who was tough on China, calling out their genocide and their theft of other countriesâ(TM) ideas and intellectual property.
But he was a loudmouth and a boor, so we replaced him with a venal houseplant with a son in the Chinese Governmentâ(TM)s pocket.
He appeared to be tough on China. Meanwhile, behind closed doors, he kissed Xi Jinping ass as he made side deals with China that he and his family would financially benefit from.
Ivanka’s Trademark Requests Were Fast-Tracked In China After Trump Was Elected [forbes.com]
China grants 18 trademarks in 2 months to Trump, daughter [apnews.com]
Trump Indonesia project gets Chinese government partner [apnews.com]
A Chinese government-owned company has signed on to build a theme park in a vast development in Indonesia that also features a Trump hotel and condos, a deal that stands to benefit President Donald Trump’s company just as top Chinese envoys head to Washington for trade talks.
China Approves 38 New Trump Trademarks for His Businesses [nbcnews.com]
China has granted preliminary approval for 38 new Trump trademarks, paving the way for President Donald Trump and his family to develop a host of branded businesses from hotels to insurance to bodyguard and escort services, public documents show.
Trump's lawyers in China applied for the marks in April 2016, as Trump railed against China at campaign rallies, accusing it of currency manipulation and stealing U.S. jobs. Critics maintain that Trump's swelling portfolio of China trademarks raises serious conflict of interest questions.
Forbes Estimates China Paid Trump At Least $5.4 Million Since He Took Office, Via Mysterious Trump Tower Lease [forbes.com]
Trump Records Shed New Light on Chinese Business Pursuits [nytimes.com]
It turns out that China is one of only three foreign nations where Mr. Trump maintains a bank account, according to an analysis of the president’s tax records, which were obtained by The New York Times. The foreign accounts do not show up on Mr. Trump’s public financial disclosures, where he must list personal assets, because they are held under corporate names. The identities of the financial institutions are not clear.
Trump Tells Xi Jinping U.S. Will Honor ‘One China’ Policy [nytimes.com]
And where's this proof of yours that Biden's son is in the Chinese Government's pocket?
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The Uyghur genocide is the ongoing series of human rights abuses perpetrated by the government of China against the Uyghur people and other ethnic and religious minorities in and around the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region (XUAR) of the People's Republic of China.[1][2][3] Since 2014,[4] the Chinese government, under the direction of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) during the administration of CCP general secretary Xi Jinping, has pursued policies leading to more than one million Muslims[10] (the majority of them Uyghurs) being held in secretive internment camps without any legal process[11][12] in what has become the largest-scale and most systematic detention of ethnic and religious minorities since the Holocaust.[13][14][15][16] Thousands of mosques have been destroyed or damaged, and hundreds of thousands of children have been forcibly separated from their parents and sent to boarding schools.[17][18][19]
Torture
Mihrigul Tursun, a former detainee of the Xinjiang internment camps
China has subjected Uyghurs who live in Xinjiang to torture.[192][193][194]
Mihrigul Tursun, a young Uyghur mother, said that she was "tortured and subjected to other brutal conditions".[195] In 2018, Tursun gave testimony[196][197] during which she described her experience while at the camps; she was drugged, interrogated for days without sleep, subjected to intrusive medical examinations, and strapped in a chair and jolted with electricity. It was her third time being sent to a camp since 2015. Tursun told reporters that she remembers interrogators telling her: "Being a Uighur is a crime."[195] China's Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hua Chunying has stated that Tursun was taken into custody by police on "suspicion of inciting ethnic hatred and discrimination" for a period lasting 20 days, but denies that Tursun was ever detained in an internment camp.[198][199][200]
Another past detainee, Kayrat Samarkand, said that "'[t]hey made me wear what they called 'iron clothes,' a suit made of metal that weighed over 50 pounds [23 kg]... It forced my arms and legs into an outstretched position. I couldn't move at all, and my back was in terrible pain...They made people wear this thing to break their spirits. After 12 hours, I became so soft, quiet and lawful.'"[201]
Waterboarding is reportedly among the forms of torture which have been used as part of the indoctrination process.[202]
Compulsory sterilizations and contraception
Beginning in 2019, reports of forced sterilization in Xinjiang began to surface.[203][204][205] Zumrat Dwut, a Uyghur woman, says that she was forcibly sterilized by tubal ligation during her time in a camp before her husband was able to get her out through requests to Pakistani diplomats.[52][206] The Xinjiang regional government denies that she was forcibly sterilized.[52]
In April 2021, exiled Uyghur doctor Gülgine reported that forced sterilization of ethnic Uyghurs persisted since the 1980s.[207] Since 2014 there was an indication for a sharp increase in sterilization of Uyghur women to ensure that Uyghurs would remain a minority in the region.[207] Gülgine said "On some days there were about 80 surgeries to carry out forced sterilizations". She presented intrauterine devices (IUDs) and remarked that "these devices were inserted into women's wombs" to forcibly cause infertility.[207]
Organized mass rape and sexual torture
BBC News and other sources reported accounts of organized mass rape and sexual torture carried out by Chinese authorities in the internment camps.[221]
Multiple women who were formerly detained in the Xinjiang internment camps have publicly made accusations of systemic sexual abuse, including rape, gang rape, and sexual torture, such as forced vaginal and anal penetrations with electric batons,[222] and rubbing chili pepper paste on genitals.[223][224] Sayragul Sauytbay, a teacher who was forced to work in the camps, told t
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No, because A, there's not six million of them to murder and B, they learned the lesson of if they exterminate the group slowly, assholes like you will spout bullshit about how it's not that bad or as monstrous.
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Fuck you and what you think you know about my family.
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So how old was she when she gave birth to your parent?
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Literally the only major ongoing genocide, and conductors of the single biggest genocide in history.
Relevant information dear China troll. I know you don't like it. It doesn't make it any less true.
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5590 Palestinian deaths.
251 Israeli deaths.
Who's the real aggressor here?
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Found the CCP shill.
Plot twist: they have no Jewish grandmother.
"The hardest thing is to make a Chinese confess he's a Jew".
(from the Brigitte Bardot movie Babette s'en va-t-en guerre [imdb.com])
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But not the way you mean.
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What is not mentioned enough (Score:5, Insightful)
Is that Israeli settlements [wikipedia.org] force Palestinians out of their homes. This has been condemned many times but nothing happens. What would you do if you were illegally forced out ?
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As the Wikipedia article mentions, those lands were occupied in the 6-day war. Itâ(TM)s their land, they won the war. The history goes beyond the 6 day war though, the Arabs in the region would not be forced out if they were occupying the land legally, paying rent and taxes, but the land is owned by JUUUWS so theyâ(TM)re not paying either rent to the property owners or paying taxes because itâ(TM)s against their religion. Arabs make up a significant percentage of the population in Israel and they seemed to have adapted just fine, even occupying places in government, the high courts and the second largest political party. They even got to decide on the prime minister.
On the other side Mahmoud Abbas is on his 14th year in a 4 year term and only stirred violence because he was about to lose an election, which he then used as a pretext to cancel elections. Hamas, not to be outdone by just trying to kill Jews on and occupying the Temple Mount, started rocketing Israel and Gaza because JUUUWS. When your electoral campaign centers around who kills more Jews, I donâ(TM)t think you have moral equivalency with a state that allows Arabs, Christians and Jews in its society and government.
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There is no such thing as international law.
There are agreements between sovreign states, but there is no teeth to these things.
Occasionally the UN Security Council votes to intervene militarily in some cases of gross human rights violations, but the UN has no military of its own and relies on member states to put boots on the ground.
This is nowhere near analogous to the concept of law enforced uniformly and impartially against all violators by the armed civilian police or military within a country.
China seems to be condoning slavery and genocide within its territory. The UN won't do jack shit about it.
If a law is not enforced uniformly, it lacks moral authority.
This would be like the US federal government systematically declining to prosecute counterfeiting laws in Montana. If you set up a fake mint and press in Montana, and print fake $100 bills, the feds won't do jack shit about it and will say so in public.
Would a scenario like that be a curious footnote or will it tank the value of the US dollar and turn it into fancy toilet paper the world over?
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I'm not hearing condemnation of Israel defending itself against the multiple attacks of the previous century.
The condemnation is of their subsequent illegal occupation and annexation of other lands.
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They didn't leave because they didn't want to pay taxes, they left because they feared for their lives and then got stuck in a prison.
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That's literally what's happening in Sheikh Jarrah right now. Jews bought empty desert in the 1800s, nazi war criminals slaughtered or expelled them in 1948 and colonized it, in 1967 the jews (and non-genocidal arabs making up 20% of Israel's population) returned and the surviving families returned with them. The nazi-led colonialist occupiers were given "protected tenant" status by the courts, but they've refused to pay rent.
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That's literally not what happened to Palestinian refugees in 1948.
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As the Wikipedia article mentions, those lands were occupied in the 6-day war. Itâ(TM)s their land, they won the war.
You don't get to keep land when you win a war, that was one of the things people figured out after WWII since land transfers turn out to cause a lot of wars.
The history goes beyond the 6 day war though, the Arabs in the region would not be forced out if they were occupying the land legally, paying rent and taxes, but the land is owned by JUUUWS so theyâ(TM)re not paying either rent to the property owners or paying taxes because itâ(TM)s against their religion.
Yes, it goes back to the early 1900s when a segment of the Jewish population decided to recolonize biblical Israel (despite it being already occupied). And the rulers of the territory (Ottoman's, then later British) didn't do anything to prevent it, meaning the Palestinians got pushed out of their own land.
I can definitely understand why Jewish settlers
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You realise that "palestinian" at that time referred to jews right? The Palestine Post became the Jerusalem Post, the Palestine Orchestra was made up of jews, etc. There is not nor has there ever been a "palestine" as you are using it, the term is as meaningful as saying "midwesterner".
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the Arabs in the region would not be forced out if they were occupying the land legally, paying rent and taxes, but the land is owned by JUUUWS so theyâ(TM)re not paying either rent to the property owners or paying taxes because itâ(TM)s against their religion.
Do you have a source for this? Are you claiming that Israel is expanding settlements as a form of repossession for non-payment of taxes instead of divine right? Haven't heard that one before.
Arabs make up a significant percentage of the population in Israel and they seemed to have adapted just fine, even occupying places in government, the high courts and the second largest political party.
That's great for them. We're talking about the people in the west bank though.
On the other side Mahmoud Abbas is...
off topic. Unless you're suggesting that corrupt Palestinian leadership (debatable) is an excuse for apartheid?
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What would you do if you were illegally forced out ?
Move to Arizona.
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The Israelis are at least as bad as the Palestinians; you can hardly complain about being bombed when you've murdered civilians in another country by bulldozing them and their houses.
FTFY. That's also called an Act of War.
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They're killing the civilians too. What is wrong with you?
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One of the two sides intentionally targets civilians. Same side intentionally uses civilians as shields. Both suffer civilian casualties.
Only one side however is guilty of causing them.
Funniest part in relation to your argument is that they don't even care about killing Arabs with the rockets. They target mixed cities just as well as Jewish ones, and last couple of days had several Israeli Arab deaths due to HAMAS rockets. You can't even make the "but the fate of Arabs in Israel" argument for this conflict
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news... [aljazeera.com]
Shut the fuck up already. The Israelis murdered 2 women and 8 children in a UN refugee camp this morning. Please shut the fuck up and die in a fire.
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AJ English hates on Israel. 2010 called. It wants its story back.
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"'em brown people are obviously fucking stupid, to be sitting by their launchers that they know will be hit rather than launching remotely, so where are the dead brown people other than human shields? Checkmate!"
Ok racist.
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Al Jazeera literally took a video of a jewish driver being lynched by a mob and cut out everything up to and including where they tried to drag him from his car and murder him, leaving only the last few seconds where the brutalized bleeding driver loses control of his car and hits a few people before coming to a stop.
Al Jazeera is a state-owned and state-operated propaganda outlet run by people who supported the founder of ISIS.
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Yes, yes, gas the evil Jews if you can't drown them first to protect the innocent Islamists screaming for their deaths and attacking them the moment their state was instituted alongside the rest of the neighbours.
How did that work out so far?
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If you read HAMAS charter, it's pretty clear about throwing Jews into the sea. That's not a hyperbole.
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>Lolz, you want to make this an antisemitic thing.
No, you made those arguments all by yourself. I merely pointed that out, which is why you're now desperately backpedalling via the normal "I'm totally ok with other Jews, it's just those Jews that I want drowned by the millions".
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You're absolutely right, you just have which state is which backwards. 20% of Israel's population are arab muslims including top ranking officers in the army and Supreme Court justices. That's literally the opposite of an ethnostate.
On the other hand in 1948 an army led by a man who saw Auschwitz in person and liked it tried to slaughter every living jew in the levant, successfully ethnically cleansing the entirety of Judea and Samaria as well as half of Jerusalem. A city which had a majority-jewish populat
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Thank you for sharing your extreme biases with us. But that's on you, not on Israel or HAMAS.
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I was talking about relevant information, namely your extreme biases. Did you miss that, or did I need to write "relevant information that is your extreme biases" to make it even clearer?
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I wrote a reasoned response to your comment, and Slashdot said it looked like ASCII art.
So instead of that response, all I will say is this place is a total fucking shitshow. I can't even use the site via mobile any more, it just shits itself immediately. It tells me to use the desktop version, when I click that link I get told to use the desktop version in a different font.
BizX is a pack of fuckfaces.
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And the recent fake ground invasion that the IDF used to trick Palestinians also resulted in the death of civilians, including women and children, openly celebrated by Israel. If you want people to stop attacking you, you could start with not trying to annex their land out from underneath them. Both sides are killing civilians, but only one is engaged in illegal occupation and forcing people out of their homes, which doesn't exactly seem like an unreasonable basis for retaliation. Hiding behind antisemitism
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Israelis have a nation, Palestinians have a prison and a living memory of being driven out of theirs ... trying to draw parallels in their behaviour is moot as long as that's true. Terrorism is the only lever they have really, the asymmetrical response from Israel gets them much more international visibility than peaceful resistance would. Even with the slight negative impact from the means, it's still more likely to get them towards freedom.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but doing right does not result in justice either ... existence is not inherently just.
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"Asymmetrical" is a bullshit argument, by your logic ISIS were the good guys because more of them died than the anti-isis coalition. When you complain about "asymmetrical" you're literally just saying you're angry more jews and arab israelis aren't dying.
And speaking of which there is not nor has there ever been a "palestine". 20% of Israel's population are arab muslims up to and including the Supreme Court, these people aren't a magical new ethnicity that sprung up from the ground magically in 1948, they'r
Israel has offered the two state solution five tim (Score:2, Interesting)
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Would you shut up with the lies already?
By 2010, when direct talks were scheduled to be restarted, continued growth of settlements on the West Bank and continued strong support of settlements by the Israeli government had greatly reduced the land and resources that would be available to a Palestinian state creating doubt among Palestinians and left-wing Israelis that a two-state solution continued to be viable.[23] In January 2012 the European Union Heads of Mission report on East Jerusalem found that Israel's continuing settlement activities and the fragile situation of the Palestinian population in East Jerusalem, as well in area C, was making a two-state solution less likely.[24] The Israeli Foreign Ministry rejected this EU report, claiming it was "based on a partial, biased and one sided depiction of realities on the ground."[25] In May 2012, the EU council stressed its "deep concern about developments on the ground which threaten to make a two-state solution impossible'.[26]
On 29 November 2012, the UN General Assembly voted by 138 to 9, with 46 abstentions to recognize Palestine as a "non-member observer state". On the following day, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu announced the building of 3,000 new homes on land to the east of East Jerusalem, in an area referred to as "E-1".[27] The move was immediately criticized by several countries, including the United States, with Israeli ambassadors being personally called for meetings with government representatives in the UK, France and Germany, among others. Israel's decision to build the homes was described by the Obama administration as "counterproductive", while Australia said that the building plans "threaten the viability of a two-state solution". This is because they claim the proposed E-1 settlement would physically split the lands under the control of the Palestinian National Authority in two, as the extent of the PNA's authority does not extend all the way to the River Jordan and the Dead Sea.[28][29][30][31][32] Israel's Labor party has voiced support for the two-state solution, with Isaac Herzog stating it would be "in Israel's interests".[33]
in March 2015, Netanyahu declared that a Palestinian state would not be established during his administration,[34] while he also stated that he disapproved the one-state solution for the ongoing conflict between two people.[35]
After controversial Jerusalem recognition by Trump administration in favor of Israel in December 2017, Palestinian officials said the policy change "destroys the peace process" and the decision indirectly meant the United States was "abdicating its role as a peace mediator"[36] that could no longer act as a mediator in the peace process because the United States had become a party to the dispute instead of neutral intercessor for negotiations.[37]
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The last time they offered a two state solution, the key Israeli behind that negotiation was assassinated by his own countrymen [wikipedia.org].
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Given how origins of such videos are quickly unearthed in the past, I find it hard to believe someone would be so deliberately stupid.
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This is quite a new one for Netanyahu's government.
The last time the cease-fire was broken, and the US media was screaming about Hamas being the ones to break the cease-fire, Netanyahu went on international TV and announced that Israel was actually the one to violate the cease-fire, and called it a "pre-emptive strike".
This time, they're just flat out making shit up.
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Ain't making this up: https://councilforthenationali... [councilfor...terest.org]
Netanyahu shot first.
Though the war-crimes allegations came from respected sources, including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the United Nations Human Rights Council, the National Lawyers Guild and the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, the central message that Israeli forces were protecting Israeli citizens from Hamas rockets was so ubiquitous in the Western media as to eclipse the war crimes charges. Pervasive self-defense claims against rocket fire have been crucial to Israeli political and military leaders maintaining impunity and avoiding accountability for their periodic assaults on civilians and civilian infrastructure in Gaza.
For example, on July 1, 2014, the United States Senate unanimously adopted a resolution, “Expressing the sense of the Senate regarding United States support for the State of Israel as it defends itself against unprovoked rocket attacks from the Hamas terrorist organization.”
However, the facts are otherwise.
This submission to the Commission presents facts showing that Israeli air and ground attacks preceded Hamas rocket fire. Because Israeli armed forces launched large-scale attacks on the West Bank and Gaza during a period when a cease-fire with Hamas was in place, while Hamas continued to observe the cease-fire, before any Hamas rockets were launched from Gaza and while no non-Hamas rockets were being fired at Israel, Israeli forces could not have been defending Israeli citizens from rocket fire.
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Israeli Attacks Escalate in 2014
An escalation of Israeli attacks in early 2014 is evident from PCHR’s “Report on the Human Rights Situation in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, 1st Quarter of 2014.” Among the violations presented in the report, 20 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces during this three-month period, including 11 civilians of whom two were children; 259 were wounded, of whom 255 were civilians, including 53 children. “The majority of these Palestinians, 198, were wounded during peaceful protests and clashes with Israeli forces.”
Notwithstanding the Palestinian casualties accumulating since the end of the 2012 war – and the increasing rate of Israeli attacks counted during the first three months of 2014 – Hamas launched no rockets during that period. Each Palestinian casualty during the 20-month period between the major Gaza assaults showed that it was Israeli forces who were violating the 2012 cease-fire agreement.
Can we just turn off all social media for a week? (Score:3, Interesting)
Could we just as an experiment turn off all social media for a week? Not the users, but the platforms. Turn it all off for a week. See what happens.
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Might as well try shutting down all the liquor stores and bars for a week. See what happens.
Erm bro where have you been for the last year???
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Call in the Press (Score:5, Insightful)
What we need is good on-the-ground reporting!
Oh, wait - Israel just targeted and destroyed the AP/Al Jazeera building in Gaza.
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While I also love jumping to conclusions, I'll wait and see how many Hamas militants were actually in that building. Both sides are playing a bit of a PR game here. It's so terrible when a hospital is razed to the ground until you relise that's where the rockets were being fired from. And honestly Hama's use of civilian infrastructure (and actual civilians) as shields is as sick as that infrastructure being bombed.
Leadership on both sides of the war deserve to be wiped from history.
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Attacking the press is one of the steps toward totalitarianism.
Also, committing a (slow-motion) genocide is probably on that list, too.
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They also just bombed a refugee camp and murdered 10 civilians, 2 of whom were women and 8 of whom were children. [aljazeera.com]
Today. This day. Right now. The Israelis are literally murdering defenseless, unarmed refugee women and children. There are no justifications.
Israel needs regime change (Score:5, Informative)
Despite the effectiveness of their Hasbara operations fooling people into thinking this is anything but an ethnic cleansing expansion of Israel, people are starting to wake up to what has been going on here.
Israel has extended far beyond the borders that it was established with - anyone can look at the partition map and a current map.
To do so it has perform ethnic cleansing, illegal invasions, terrorism, murder, collective punishment, usage of chemical weapons and other banned weaponry.
It has committed so many crimes against humanity and warcrimes in pursuit of its ethnic cleansing that the US has had to veto Israel being held accountable by the United Nations Security Council dozens of times.
It seems that the Holocaust is an excuse to perpetrate one on Palestinians. Whenever Israel murders people, the Holocaust is rolled out and used to attack those pointing out what is going on. The Holocaust is irrelevant outside of recognising what was done, and ensuring it doesn't happen again - yet it is being used TO perpetrate another one.
Even moderate Jews, who were targeted hardest by Zionists for brainwashing even more than the general public, are waking up to the wolf amongst them and realising that Israel is being attacked not because of antisemitism, but because it is an Ethnic cleansing Apartheid State that is run by a clique of criminals and is actively involved in a slow drip Genocide of the Palestinian people in an attempt to Establish a greater Israel.
If you support Israel, you do it out of ignorance, or you're a complete asshole. History is NOT going to be kind to Israel. As it is not kind to Nazi Germany, Pol Pot, The Turks and their Armenian Genocide, the Belgians in the congo and other evils.
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If this is a genocide then why is the population of Gaza and the territories continuing to GROW every year? Why is life expectancy rising every year?
Your entire understanding of history is utterly backwards, and your post is filled with outright blood libels. Al jazeera just the other day literally took a video of a jew being dragged from his car and lynched and cut out everything but the last few seconds where he lost control of the car and crashed, claiming he was a jewish terrorist committing a car rammi
Zero state solution (Score:2)
Netanyahu, not social media (Score:2)
How the hell is this story supposedly about falsehoods promulgated on social media? It's about a falsehood sourced from 2018 social media, and promulgated today by the Prime Minister of Israel, through his spokesman!
The actual headline here should be 'Israeli spokesman misrepresents video footage lifted from social media', or words to that effect. Media need to put the responsibility for things that governments say and do, in the here and now, squarely where it belongs. In this case, on the Israeli governme
It's All About The Money (Score:4, Interesting)
It's DISinformation (Score:5, Interesting)
Disinformation, not misinformation.
They know the video does not depict what they say it does. It's intentional. Disinformation.
If someone is misinformed, and mistakenly spreads something false, it's unintentional. Misinformation.
Social media corporations... (Score:2)
Don't care (Score:2)
They can burn each other to the ground for all I care. I refuse to be part of this game that's always played on the American psyche in regards to this conflict.
This Time Israel Should Finish Off Hamas (Score:3, Insightful)
Hamas represents Hamas, not the Palestinian people.
Roger Simon:
Winning a war seems awfully unconventional, but it would be nice to give it a try for a change.
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From your own post,
Another short clip selects a narrow view of an Israeli soldier dragging a Palestinian on the ground during a recent confrontation. The use of compelling music sensationalizes the episode. The video got 158,000 likes and close to 13,000 shares.
No refutation that it happened, just a complaint that it included music?
THIS is the lie. You just claim your opponent's video is fake. You don't even bother denying that the events happened as described, but somehow the video is "fake".
FSM... also, you're calling for genocide. You're a real piece of shit. A disgusting excuse for a human being.
At least 140 Palestinians, including 39 children, have been killed in the Gaza Strip since Monday. Some 950 others have been wounded. In the occupied West Bank, Israeli forces have killed at least 13 Palestinians.
At least nine people in Israel have also been killed, with one new death reported on Saturday in Ramat Gan. The Israeli army said hundreds of rockets have been fired from Gaza towards various locations in Israel and they have added reinforcements near the enclave’s eastern lands.
Thousands of Palestinian families are taking shelter in United Nations-run schools in northern Gaza to escape Israeli artillery fire. The UN has said it estimates approximately 10,000 Palestinians have left their homes in Gaza amid the Israeli offensive.
I am in incredible amounts of disbelief that you find it okay to murder hundreds of people after you've occupied and bulldozed their country illegal
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I'm sure the NYT's article here is just as accurate as their article claiming officer Sicknick was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. Or Al Jazeera's articles where they literally took a video of a jew being dragged from his car and lynched and cut out everything but the last few seconds where he lost control of the car and crashed, claiming he was a jewish terrorist committing a car ramming.
Their propaganda, and your post, are the exact same tactics as Nazi Germany.
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You're confused and omitting details. These were left out of most U.S. media but easily seen in countries with non pro-zionist media.
The conflict started when Israel started rampaging, forcing people from their homes, and then gassing, stun grenading, beating, and shooting with rubber coated steel bullets worshipers in a mosque. Right wing Jewish groups beat and lynched Arab citizens of Israel.
Then rockets were launched in response.
As usual, as Israel has been doing for decades, it provokes a fight, then