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Microsoft Says 'Next Generation of Windows' Coming Soon (windowscentral.com) 172

Posted by msmash from the shape-of-things-to-come dept.
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella, at the company's developer conference today: Across all the opportunities I've highlighted today, Windows is implicit. It's never been more important. Windows 10 is used by more than 1.3 billion people to work, learn, connect and play. And it all starts with Windows as a dev box. Windows brings together all developer and collaboration tools in one place. It lets you choose the hardware you want, works with Linux and Windows as one, and has a modern terminal.

And soon we will share one of the most significant updates to Windows of the past decade to unlock greater economic opportunity for developers and creators. I've been selfhosting it over the past several months, and I'm incredibly excited about the next generation of Windows. Our promise to you is this: we will create more opportunity for every Windows developer today and welcome every creator who is looking for the most innovative, new, open platform to build and distribute and monetize applications. We look forward to sharing more very soon.
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  • Can't wait for the first release (Score:5, Funny)

    by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @05:29PM (#61421494)

    Windows: The Next Generation: "Encounter at Far Pointer"

  • A few translations (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @05:29PM (#61421496)

    Windows 10 is used by more than 1.3 billion people

    Windows 10 has been shoved forcibly down 1.3 billion people's throats

    we will create more opportunity for every Windows developer today and welcome every creator who is looking for the most innovative, new, open platform to build and distribute and monetize applications.

    Get ready for more cloud apps, more malware, more ads and more telemetry.

    • Re:A few translations (Score:4, Insightful)

      by postbigbang ( 761081 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @05:42PM (#61421560)

      Please, they've got to do something. Each Patch Tuesday is full of both mind-numbing fixes, but also sufficient bricks to scare anyone.

      This creaky Frankenstein of an OS needs a flush, not a refresh.

      Once Microsoft becomes aware that its developers aren't its truest customers, perhaps a genuine QA/QC attitude might emerge.

      Remember when people would line up to get a new release-- electronic delivery aside? Now there are rings of testers digesting this ring, that ring, nightly build flatulence, and more spaghetti against the wall looking for a dive under a Patch Tuesday.

      And the Ransomware Beats Goes On.

      1.3B users, and almost ALL OF THEM are in pain. 100% have had a breach because of inept patch/update/security regimen and just plain rotten code.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by vinn01 ( 178295 )

        "...perhaps a genuine QA/QC attitude might emerge."

        Not a chance of that happening. When I last dealt with Microsoft, all of the Windows QA had been sent to China in order to have script monkeys test the hundreds of "happy paths". There was no QA along the lines of "throw bricks at it and break that shit".

        Actual Windows QA is only done by hackers.

      • Umm... no they aren't (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Petersko ( 564140 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @06:43PM (#61421756)

        "almost ALL OF THEM are in pain"

        I can only speak for, oh, a hundred or so people that I know directly. To my knowledge, not one of them is "in pain". And I'm the guy who would know. Ever since I was fixing computers in a retail store in 1992, I've been "the guy" to my relatives.

        The last significant aid I had to render involved my father getting ransomware on their PC a few years back. Other than that, it's been pretty smooth sailing.

        I work my system harder than anybody I know, and I haven't had to do the historically necessary wipe-and-reinstall in years. Everything's running well.

        I think you're dramatically overstating the problem.

      • I just wait for a ransomware that's going to hijack the entire onedrive environment in one single action.

      • Please, they've got to do something. Each Patch Tuesday is full of both mind-numbing fixes, but also sufficient bricks to scare anyone.

        Huh? What's a Patch Tuesday? I can't say I've noticed an update nor a brick in a well over half a year, and even that one seemed to only add some stupid Edge icon.

        Sincerely: Most users out there who have no problem and couldn't give a crap.

        1.3B users, and almost ALL OF THEM are in pain.

        Horseshit. 1.3billion users have ample alternatives that they couldn't be bothered to install. The reality is the pain is in *your* mind. Most users flat out don't care. Their computers don't melt down (though a tiny minority of them do), they don't lose data because the

    • Don't forget the constant onslaught of subscription-based software.

    • I'm waiting for the first cloud-hosted malware app, where your windows install doesn't have to be infected to be affected. You know, that does something like redirecting your cloud-stored files somewhere else... and charging you a ransom to retrieve them.

      Because if there's anything Windows is good at, it is finding new ways to create security holes and host viruses.

    • I've suspected for quite some time now that they'll try to kill off linux as a standalone OS, and so far I've seen nothing to persuade me otherwise.
      • How is Microsoft going to kill off something they have no control over? It's not like I'm going to stop using it because of some stupid shit Microsoft does.
        • If they really wanted to they'd find leverage somewhere to do precisely that.

          • If they really wanted to they'd find leverage somewhere to do precisely that.

            By that logic, if they haven't found and used something to leverage to kill the open source OS then they proves that they don't want to.

            To summarise your whole position: until you have been shown proof that they are NOT going to destroy Linux as an OS (and just how do you prove a negative), you will ignore all of Microsoft's efforts to port their software to run on Linux, host Linux on their cloud services, add Linux as a target in their development systems, and enable Linux distros to run as a subsystem on

        • How is Microsoft going to kill off something they have no control over?

          Just spitballing here, but hypothetically they could form a "hardware makers alliance" of some sort where they come up with a few advanced API features on the graphics/sound front, or, hell, why not some new opcodes directly on the processor itself, and then - for copyright protection purposes, you understand - lock those features down unless the OS can provide a trusted key.

          Now, surely they're not targeting Linux here, heavens no, that would be anticompetitive business practices! It's just that, you see, i

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    • Windows 10 has been shoved forcibly down 1.3 billion people's throats

      There are viable alternatives that 1.3billion people don't care enough to use. The idea that Windows is only a success because it's shoved down people's throats is a complete fantasy.

      The reality is most people don't give a flying hoot what their OS is as long as their software runs.

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      • There are viable alternatives that 1.3billion people don't care enough to use. The idea that Windows is only a success because it's shoved down people's throats is a complete fantasy.

        Ding ding ding, exactly. If just making Windows the default OS was enough, then Microsoft Edge would also be the dominant browser.

        Instead, people are perfectly capable of Binging their way to Chrome or Firefox, installing those, and just getting silently irritated by the constant desperate pleas to use Edge, please just give it a try, come onnn guys it's like totally enhancing the Windows 10 experience, pleeease just try it once.

    • Also... which Windows 10? Now that they've stopped doing occasional number changes, you can't see. I'll bet not all of them are bang up to date with the latest updates, so some are Windows 10 2019, Windows 10 2020, Windows 10 2021 etc.

      With this too... what will Microsoft do? They've committed "Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows", but here they want to talk about a "next generation", so will they call it "Windows 10"? Not likely, they'll want to PR the living hell out of it, so it'll have to be "

  • Developers, developers, developers (Score:4, Interesting)

    by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @05:31PM (#61421506) Journal

    we will create more opportunity for every Windows developer today and welcome every creator who is looking for the most innovative, new, open platform to build and distribute and monetize applications. We look forward to sharing more very soon.

    They are making an app store. They already have an app store. They are trying to make people want their app store.

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    • I looked at their store exactly once, not long after I got my newest laptop with Windows 10. I thought, why not at least try the Microsoft version of package management? Theoretically, package management is a good thing, and practically, the Windows UI is harassing me to use it anyway.

      Then I saw they wanted to charge me $9.99 for open source software I've been using for years. [microsoft.com] That will be the last time I look at the Microsoft Store.

      • I wonder if they would give you the source if you asked for it.

        • I wonder if they would give you the source if you asked for it.

          You don't even need to ask for it. Just follow the link at the bottom of the store page for Publisher Info [github.io]. Go to the Downloads page [github.io] and you can find the source code there. As I said in another comment, this isn't Microsoft publishing this software. It is one of the contributors to the application.

          The only criticism of Microsoft here is that their store assumes that if you have a free version and paid version (which this application does), then it labels the free version as a trial. There is no limitation o

      • Surely you realise that it is not Microsoft that put that up on their store for $10, right? The person who did that was TingPing, who is one of the contributors listed on github [github.com]. Also, if you look at the description of the software, it states:

        NOTE: This application is free the purchase is optional.

    • History history history (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @07:18PM (#61421888) Journal

      and monetize applications. We look forward to sharing...

      They are making an app store. They already have an app store. They are trying to make people want their app store.

      So rewriting Windows will make people want an app-store they didn't want before? It just might work because the 2 best selling apps will be "Make Windows 11 Work Like 10" and "Make Windows 11 Work".

      Fucking with Windows historically just makes more headaches for users. MS busted their butt to add mobile/finger features to it, but too few actually want that. They lost the mobile wars already: Google and Apple won it. Instead, make a better desktop OS by tuning the existing system: mousing is where Windows still shines (or at least sucks evenly). If you keep doing this you'll lose even the mousers.

      They seem to be making the same mistake with app-store-ness they did with mobile: try to capture a market they already lost and waste money and drive users crazy with arbitrary changes.

      Boot the MBA PHB's out, Microsoft! They keep failing and wasting.

      Maybe they figure they can gamble because they have deep pockets and Windows users have no viable desktop alternative. But you'll be vulnerable to challengers if you keep fucking the mousers like this. They haven't left you yet, but don't press your luck. Google, Amazon, and Apple will happily swoop in if you stumble and they have big cannons.

      • Stack ranking messed up Microsoft pretty bad [vanityfair.com]. Managers were motivated to sabotage other managers instead of making their own products successful. They still haven't recovered from that.

        Although one might argue that Microsoft was messed up before 2000, as well.

      • "Make people want their app store" == Find ways to make it painful to get things done if you don't go through the app store.
        Incessant "security" nags about anything not installed through the store? Having to dig through a bunch of options pages to even allow non-appstore programs? Difficult to impossible to make a non-appstore app a default for a file type? Nagging you to change it every time even if you can? Ads, ads, ads everywhere: Lock screen, start menu, system tray, taskbar "Use appstore! Get shitap

    • This. Hope it will fail, app stores offered by the OS and/or hardware provider cause a conflict of interest and as such are an inherently bad idea. Only "app stores" I've ever liked so far are F-Droid and GoG.

      • Only "app stores" I've ever liked so far are F-Droid and GoG.

        I'm going to say that Brew, apt-get, Ports, yum, and cpan have all been pretty great, too.

    • On my own windows laptops and desktops, I dont use a MS account to login.

      I dont even have a MS account at all.

      They can add all the app stores they want, but the moment they need a MS account, I can't access it and so I will not.

      And I know for a fact that the majority of people I assist with when it comes to computing products don't have an MS account.

  • selfhosting? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Fly Swatter ( 30498 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @05:33PM (#61421512) Homepage
    Is that like running software locally? I guess cloud terminology has screwed everyone up. If it runs locally is it actually yours to use as you want this time?

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by Isarian ( 929683 )

      I assumed he meant "dogfooding" but decided it wasn't pretty enough language for general public consumption :/

    • Self-hosting [wikipedia.org] is what we call it when software is part of the toolchain for building itself. For example, when you build a new version of Linux on top of Linux, you are self-hosting. By using the term "Self-Hosting" in this context, Satya Nadella is sending us a message that he knows fuck-all.

  • Great, more crap (Score:3, Insightful)

    by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @05:36PM (#61421528)

    Seriously, if they never finish an OS and make it reliable, stable and secure, they never will have a reliable, stable and secure OS.

    • They can work on every release till it's perfect. And they'll go bankrupt.
    • and that's why we NEED Eddie Van Halen

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      I'm curious what a "finished" OS would look like. Do you want it to stay the same forever? What about when new hardware comes along or users needs change? Like would there be no new Direct X versions, no sandbox improvements in response to new security flaws like Spectre being discovered?

      I'm still using Windows 8.1, which is "finished" as far as features go. It's starting to become a problem and a bit annoying as there are some useful Windows 10 features I could benefit from.

    • What are you doing to your poor computer that makes Windows unreliable? The last time I had a crash as a result of any OS function, service, or bug was probably a decade ago. I have experienced a few bluescreens on Windows 10 but that was legitimately a RAM stick having failed.

      Same with security. Hackers barely even target OSes anymore, they just target users and get them to install software for them, or target popular programs like Acrobat or Office (if you're one of the 5 people in the world dumb enough t

  • No thank you. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Random361 ( 6742804 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @05:47PM (#61421572)
    In other words, like another poster said, brace for more cloud crap, telemetry, and inability to use your equipment as you see fit. You still won't be able to customize anything. They'll bring the eternally shitty Windows security model and architecture to slam into Linux and make both implementations suck. No thank you, Micro$hit.

    • I would not be at all surprised at a shift to a subscription model that enforces a cloud-join model along with some level of coerced, "free" cloud storage that's always the default save location.

      On the plus side, it might make PC upgrades and swaps transparent, on the other it will make it extremely difficult to extract data or switch platforms in any meaningful way as well as making users stuck in specific identities.

      I think MIcrosoft's larger problem was painting themselves into the corner with the "last

  • It will still never be fully POSIX compliant until they rip out the Windows NT VMS kernel. If Apple were smart they would port macOS and iOS from the Mach kernel and BSD userland to Linux and GNU. I loved BSD style Unix, FreeBSD was bad ass back in the day, but let’s face facts, System V style Linux clearly won.

    At this point trying to use the BSD userland tools on my macOS workstation just causes major compatibility issues because all the other systems I’m working with use a GNU LSB userland env

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by chrish ( 4714 )

      Windows NT was certified POSIX decades ago; POSIX is a programming API, it has nothing to do with the kernel (other than that the kernel needs to support that API).

      Windows 10 is probably "POSIX" due to WSL2; IIRC NT's POSIX support was an optional subsystem as well.

  • Kirk is better (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @05:51PM (#61421588)

    Kirk is better

  • "Windows 10 is used by more than 1.3 billion people" - And he announces this as if it were some sort of earned achievement. Unless you are buying a Mac, Windows comes preinstalled on the computer. You have no choice. Sure, if you are technically minded you can install Linux but the vast majority of people don't know how or can't be bothered. Yes, you can buy laptops with Linux preinstalled but they are targeted towards developers/power users, not mainstream users.

    "...and has a modern terminal" - Is referrin

  • ...but I'm ready to be underwhelmed.

    Yaz

  • It's like the Borg. Coming soon to a solar system near you.

    Considering how slow and unresponsive the current version is, I can only imagine the shitfest this new version will be. "Now with more pilfering of your data!"

  • I live in hope that in this release I'll be able to choose which window has input focus without the choice being over-ridden by just about everything.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by chrish ( 4714 )

      I'd also like to be able to tell which window has input focus at a glance. This seems to be a problem infesting MacOS as well... with the abandonment of HCI, the UX designers have made everything flat and low contrast and impossible to distinguish.

  • > more opportunity for every Windows developer ... to ... monetize applications

    No thanks!

  • A worrying sign... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Junta ( 36770 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @06:16PM (#61421672)

    Our promise to you is this: we will create more opportunity for every Windows developer today and welcome every creator who is looking for the most innovative, new, open platform to build and distribute and monetize applications.

    I note that the actual users aren't even on the list of people they are designing the next Windows for...

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      • people throw their hands up at the ecosystem

        Tons of people want to, but they don't have to convince users to purchase their software, they just have to convince managers. The managers are convinced—like most Windows users—that no viable alternative exists.

    • I note that the actual users aren't even on the list of people they are designing the next Windows for...

      They never are nor shouldn't be. If you design an OS for the user you've failed. The user shouldn't care. Their favourite software should run and the OS should stay the f*** out of the way.

  • Windows 10 is fine as is. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by ChangeOnInstall ( 589099 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @06:28PM (#61421712)
    All that Windows 10 needs is to have a bunch of things no one likes removed from it, e.g.:
    • Forced updates.
    • Forced advertisements/promoted items.
    • Forced telemetry.

    Just give users the ability to do what they want with it. Then they won't all hate you.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by swilver ( 617741 )

        Or Windows 10 behind a proxy server. Somehow not allowing things to phone home to get instructions from the mothership on how to make your live miserable makes almost everything more bearable.

    • Just give users the ability to do what they want with it. Then they won't all hate you.

      Why would they care that users hate them if they continue to be users. Pretty much every time Windows is brought up on /. there are a several posters who say something along the lines of, "I only use Windows because of gaming."

      Microsoft has always focused on gaining consumers who feel that they have to use their products (even when they don't). They also have the, "I don't want to use a Mac because I think they're for hipsters and I don't know what Linux is" crowd locked down. Don't forget the, "Microsoft i

  • A File Explorer that can handle long file paths IT creates?!
    20+ years of waiting for ONE gross bug!

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by vinn01 ( 178295 )

      "260 characters ought to be enough for anybody."

      The 255-260 character limit was part of NTFS, when there was hardly a difference between the filename and the file path. It's like nobody at Microsoft has ever needed a long file path, or surly they would have fixed File Explorer.

  • That's my prediction...

  • Dag nab it!

    My Grandpa always used to say: "If it ain't broke, don't fix...."

    Umm, never mind. I guess that doesn't actually apply here.

  • Or something. Call it the Firefox Syndrome.

  • No-one at Microsoft will likely every read this, but here goes my personal wishlist to think about:
    1) Streamline it. Windows is an Operating System. Get rid of all the crud. ALL the non-OS related things. No garbageware, no junk games, flash (yeah, I know, it's heading out the door. About time), onedrive, contact manager, XBOX. (I just realized a couple weeks ago xbox is broadcasting all my activity online without ever asking me about it. Gah! At least I have to log-in to steam first...)
    2) Self-contained. N

  • 10 is the last version (Score:5, Informative)

    by MrLogic17 ( 233498 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @07:19PM (#61421890) Journal

    I'm old enough to remember Microsoft saying that Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows. No more yearly new versions - 10 forever.

    I didn't believe it when they first said it. Seems everyone's forgotten, even those that believed them.

  • Job requirements when it comes out (Score:3)

    by jhylkema ( 545853 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @10:25PM (#61422310)

    Entry level role:

    "Five years' on-the-job experience with Windows 11."

    Senior role:

    "Ten years' experience with Windows 11."

    Fucking HR flacks. I hate them.

  • I'm still waiting (Score:4, Interesting)

    by petes_PoV ( 912422 ) on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @02:58AM (#61422806)
    ... for a compelling reason to move off Windows 7

  • FIX THE BUGS FIRST

  • Next up, every open/save dialog window will look the same! We promise!

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