Bumble Is Opening a Restaurant To Help People Date IRL Again (engadget.com) 66
Dating app Bumble is opening up a restaurant in New York City where single folks can meet up for dates. Engadget reports: Bumble Brew is scheduled to open for breakfast service on July 24th. Lunch and dinner service will start at the Nolita spot in the coming weeks. Along with an 80-seat dining room, there will be a cocktail bar, patio dining and private dining space. The restaurant, which is decked out in the app's recognizable shade of yellow, can be used for events as well. It has an Italian-inspired menu with pickup and delivery options, and the music is primarily from female artists. The new venture builds on the Bumble Hive pop-up community spaces where people can hang out, eat and drink and meet others. Bumble Brew doesn't have a direct tie-in with the Bumble app, at least for now. Still, it's easy to imagine Bumble adding a reservation system that pops up when NYC users try to arrange a date.
Could be a really good idea there (Score:2, Insightful)
The Bumble restaurant / bar sounds like the start of a great idea.
What they should do is let anyone on the app check in when they are there, then let women see the profiles of any guys checked in - the men wouldn't be able to see anything unless the women decided to ping them, and the women could opt to either message them now or later.
It would give the women a lot of comfort in knowing more about the guys around them, while not reveling too much to the guys they were not interested in (fundamentally you'd
Re: Could be a really good idea there (Score:3)
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But those are already options at existing establishments - this represents something new
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What ever happened to just getting to know someone and actually be genuinely interested in just meeting people without any agenda or motives?
Where are these meetings supposed to take place? Many companies frown on dating, and workplace dating is a problem for managers who mostly work with subordinates, and for nerds who mostly work with other males. It is even worse for someone who is both a manager and a nerd.
Meeting in a bar doesn't work if you don't drink and/or have no interest in drunks.
So are we supposed to meet in the produce section at the grocery store? Do you really think that happens in real life?
Apps serve as a barrier to communication.
I found match.com to be a godsend.
It's not about men at all (Score:1)
Is dating awkward for you?
Well I've been married for quite a while so honestly I wouldn't know what it's like dating now, but I do know the basics of human nature and am somewhat in tune with the developments around dating apps as I have friends that work on them and use them... this is focused on the women being able to know more about the men around them really, rather than anything from the mens side. The reality I think is, that people are used to at least be able to google other people they would cons
Re:It's not about men at all (Score:5, Interesting)
It might sound a little strange compared to the old fashioned way of dating, but society evolves. And it would certainly be an interesting evolution of dating apps which until now have been primarily virtual, to have people even a bit closer before meeting...
I imagine Tinder works a little like this at times since you know people are close, but this is a bit more tied into the app itself and there are all sorts of ways you could take that.
The problem such as it is, is how many more cards does the woman have to wield? As distasteful as it is - men are human too. If we are cut, do we not bleed? Your idea is the equivalent of a slave auction, when the apparent emotionless male goes out, spends money and if no woman finds him worthy, goes home, rather nicely rejected.
We are reaching a point where a lot of women are starting to worry about permanent relationships. Many have become exceptionally picky, many cannot foorm a good pair bond with a male because she has spent her 20's, maybe early 30's as a sexual dictator, dealing out lots of rejection.
I hear a lot of lamenting, asking "Where have all the good men gone?"
And here's the problem. Men in their teens and mid 20's are horny idiots, willing to put up with a lot of crap and rejection to get some. But as their 30's approach, they can get much more selective. So a woman who is used to being a sexual dictator, wants to start fertility treatments immediately, and has all the divorce laws and society and the courts on her side is not an attractive goal for men. Modern feminism has taught her to pretty much hate men.
I know if I was young and unmarried, I'd not even pursue relationships with ladies. Been married 40 years, modern young women are kinda creepy.
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Problem is that we as species are adapted to function as a small hunter gatherer tribe. The moment you expand "tribe" beyond "people you know" to "basically everyone nearby with an app in a modern city", that selection mechanism breaks. Tinder did the study which it then quickly hushed up which stated that women looked at top 20% among men as a cut-off of "average man". And they would not date those that they considered below average.
Same did not apply to men. They placed the "average" more or less correctl
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I wouldn't draw conclusions from Tinder, it's a hook-up site with rapid swipe left/right method of choosing a potential partner for a short term relationship.
Most relationships don't start that way, and most men do not end up alone. Most relationships start as friendships and often what sabotages them for less experienced guys is trying to turn them into relationships too fast. Well, if they are hoping to find a wife on Tinder they are clearly in need of some help.
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That's why I brought Samuels' show as an example of people who are one generation ahead of where most of the Western people are. African Americans have been a one generation ahead on the "equity, diversity, empowered woman, modern feminism" model. This isn't just "a tinder problem". This is a problem of "tinder style dating model" driven by effective criminalization of approaching women elsewhere which is punished by lynch mobs on twitter, coupled with the fact that there's an ideological cancer within our
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It's how you get those poor women who are resounding success stories for people who drive that ideology: good income, independent single mothers.
And they're abjectly miserable, and can't even understand why. So they come to his show and literally tell everyone how they live those wonderful lifestyles that they were taught would be good for them in school, and how they are miserable and want change. But they can't even formulate how they could possible get that change, because they don't understand themselves, much less men they want.
This, so very much. Feminism denies biology as much as global warming deniers deny physics or anti vaxxers believe debunked scams of them being the cause of autism. Men and women are equal entities, but are not identical. If a woman wants a career, she can have one. But no one can "Have it All".
And those are PhDs in things like communication! This is why I stated above that Samuels' show is genuinely horrifying to watch. Funny at first, but once you get to see just how many people are that disconnected from reality that is their own motivations and desires vs what they need to do to get there... If you have any empathy, it should make you horrified.
It horrifies me terribly. Because at the end of the day, most everyone would just like to find love and someone to care for them. But they have been trained to withhold love. They have been trained to have zero toler
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Just a clarification, the dating site was OKcupid.com, not the dating app Tinder. I clarify this so that you'll be able to find the image easier in the future as well as to counter the ad hominem response made below against Tinder.
The image can be seen on here [reddit.com]. I would link to the original blog post on OKcupid, but for some reason I can't seem to find it anymore (I wonde
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Thanks. My confusion probably came from the fact that both Tinder and OkCupid are part of Match Group Inc.
Relevant study has been long scrubbed from internet as much as Match Group Inc. could do it for fairly obvious reasons.
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Notice how I got all the important details right, such as the numbers. All I got wrong is that I got the wrong subsidiary of Match Group Inc. A wrong subsidiary that is in the exact same market, doing pretty much the same thing.
Why are you so desperate to sell a really stupid narrative to deflect attention from this?
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You didn't answer the question.
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Problem is that we as species are adapted to function as a small hunter gatherer tribe. The moment you expand "tribe" beyond "people you know" to "basically everyone nearby with an app in a modern city", that selection mechanism breaks. Tinder did the study which it then quickly hushed up which stated that women looked at top 20% among men as a cut-off of "average man". And they would not date those that they considered below average.
Remember their douchebag initiative? It was designed to allow women to not only reject men, but bitch at them at the same time. There is probably a deep satisfaction in rejecting men
But to your point, women have been told they don't have to settle, and that they deserve only the best. Just google it - many hits.
So many of the ladies look for what is pretty much a unicorn. 6 foot 5 or better, 6 figure income or better, face like a GQ model, buffed body. sensitive but a take charge person, willing to sub
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Everything you just said makes it abundantly clear that you are not one of the "good men." Your contempt and pathetic whining could not be more transparent.
My my, aren't you a prejudiced bigot?!
I'm a Cassandra, not an incel - have never touched a woman without her permission, and have been married over 40 years. and make a 6 figure post retiement income. Declaring me the enemy, just illustrates the depth that third wave feminism has fallen into.
No, mon chichi - sometimes one must speak truth to power, even if that power demands that all must march in goosestep.
You are a bigot you know. Just because someone posts something that triggers you does not
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It's not that, it's because all young people need to concentrate on their education and careers when they are in the teens and 20s and early 30s if they want to get anywhere and not be dependent on someone else.
Even if they do that things like owning a home is out of reach for many of them. Delaying having children makes sense when you can't really afford it, but women have a biological clock ticking away for that. It's not as bad as it used to be but still a serious consideration.
Feminism has helped many w
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Feminism has helped many women see that they can be independent in the same way as men can be
Independent from what?
That's not just an issue for women of course, but the point is women are not to blame here. They just want the same independence and security that men have traditionally had (divorce laws that split assets are based on the idea that the woman probably gave up her career and independence).
A man is giving up his independence to get married and have a family. The whole purpose of marriage is to obligate men to care for children. The purpose of divorce is force men into giving up their assets in exchange for the possibility of seeing the children he gave up his independence for.
The answer is obvious for any young man. Never get married, don't get involved in long term relationships or let a woman live in your house in a common law relationship. It's simply no worth t
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Independent from a husband. In the 1950s it was typical for women to become housewives, no income of their own, a dependent. Often they would stay in bad marriages because there was little alternative - if they left they would have no income and little prospect of getting a decent job. Longer term there would be issues with pensions etc.
By having their own career women gain the same freedom that men get from it: financial independence.
While it's true that having a family is a commitment, it shouldn't be a r
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Independent from a husband. By having their own career women gain the same freedom that men get from it: financial independence.
Female independence is a good thing to me. However I don't think women have gotten freedom from it, quite the opposite.
While it's true that having a family is a commitment, it shouldn't be a reason to stay in a bad relationship. In fact sometimes people (both men and women) do leave such relationships even if it does result in financial hardship.
Well I'm the last person that would argue that any person, male or female, should stay in an abusive relationship. The point I am making is that it is women who are choosing men, it's not the other way around. It is also women who are in the majority (70% IIRC) who are making decisions to divorce.
It is women who making those decisions which is creating a generation of children with me
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> It is also women who are in the majority (70% IIRC) who are making decisions to divorce.
Most domestic violence is perpetrated by men too.
We could quote stats at each other but it's better to look at the root causes. It's not feminism.
> Feminism argues for pay gap and equality of outcome as some form of entitlement.
This is a common misunderstanding. Equality of outcome is an indicator, it suggests that a society is equal if on average men and women have similar opportunities.
> A woman maybe 'capab
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> It is also women who are in the majority (70% IIRC) who are making decisions to divorce.
Most domestic violence is perpetrated by men too.
You need to watch Snapped on the Oxygen Channel - a channel for women. Warning - your idea of women as the designated victim will take a real hit. Thes women kill their parents, husbands, boyfriends and children Real cases.
When you use statistics as a way to blame men and men only, you tip your misandryst card. So if 51 percent of domestic violence is done bey men, you have stated that you don't care about what women do to men - perhaps we deserve it, amirite?
The biggest problem with modern feminism
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> It is also women who are in the majority (70% IIRC) who are making decisions to divorce.
Most domestic violence is perpetrated by men too.
We could quote stats at each other but it's better to look at the root causes. It's not feminism.
According to The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS) [cdc.gov] the most domestic violence committed against women is by other women when they are in same sex relationships.
This, again, I see as the continual demonization of masculinity in society where the narrative and statistic differ. Maybe it's changed as I read an earlier version of the report so I welcome any update if you find it.
> Feminism argues for pay gap and equality of outcome as some form of entitlement.
This is a common misunderstanding. Equality of outcome is an indicator, it suggests that a society is equal if on average men and women have similar opportunities.
Well we're not seeing it in increased industrial accidents where men are paid more to do hazardous or dis
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I looked at your link but it doesn't seem to break it down by the gender of the partner. For example
https://www.cdc.gov/violencepr... [cdc.gov]
Doesn't differentiate between violence from same sex and opposite sex partners. In any case since same sex couples are only around 5% of the total the rates would have to be extremely high for what you are claiming to be true, so I think you need to back it up with a more specific link to a statistic.
> Then why aren't feminist arguing for shared custody in divorce
They do, w
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I looked at your link but it doesn't seem to break it down by the gender of the partner. For example
https://www.cdc.gov/violencepr... [cdc.gov]
Doesn't differentiate between violence from same sex and opposite sex partners. In any case since same sex couples are only around 5% of the total the rates would have to be extremely high for what you are claiming to be true, so I think you need to back it up with a more specific link to a statistic.
I'm blown away that this statistic is no longer in the report. I downloaded a copy of it sometime ago and it is "Table 6 lifetime Prevalence of Physical Violence by an Intimate Partner by Sexual Orientation — U .S . Women, NISVS 2010". After seeing that I downloaded the 2010 version from the CDC and the department of justice and they have been revised in both places to exclude Table 6. I find that form of censorship to characterize men as the perpetrators of that percentage of violence that lesbian
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The answer is obvious for any young man. Never get married, don't get involved in long term relationships or let a woman live in your house in a common law relationship. It's simply no worth the risk.
All of the incentives have been stripped away, and there are really no pluses any more. Modern women have all the advantages, yet still retain the designated victim card. In a strangereaction, the passive resistance model has proven to work very well. Men have largely given up, and many now find that a life haning with their male friends, travelling as they see fit, and finding that if not attached, the cost of living drops dramatically. As in you can live better on half of the income.
Well this is the whole issue with feminism, it's misogynistic and misandric at the same time. Feminism invalidates the female model of ambition in place of the male model of ambition.
And this is the weird
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Women claim to hate masculinity, that it is all toxic, yet are seldom interested in sex with a sensitive man who acts like a woman with a penis.
There is nothing in your post I disagree with. Frankly I think the social contract has broken down. Feminist's won and they are all "Now what?". This was the answer. [youtube.com], it's fucking ridiculous. Enjoy the irony.
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Women claim to hate masculinity, that it is all toxic, yet are seldom interested in sex with a sensitive man who acts like a woman with a penis.
There is nothing in your post I disagree with. Frankly I think the social contract has broken down. Feminist's won and they are all "Now what?". This was the answer. [youtube.com], it's fucking ridiculous. Enjoy the irony.
That is rather hilarious in a scary way.
What is really unfortunate is that any disagreement, and they go ballistic on you. Simple disagreement on anything gets you branded as misogynistic.
And what is more, I find it odd that the more women achieve the less happy they are. They dip back into history to bring modern blame on men. I want to yell every time I see how terrible Hedy Lamarr was treated, while she invented spread spectrum radio. That it's so sad and patriarchic that she was snubbed getting in
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What is really unfortunate is that any disagreement, and they go ballistic on you. Simple disagreement on anything gets you branded as misogynistic.
The outrage culture is always primed for their endomorphine hit. The only way to do that is to either victimize or be victimized which feeds into being powerful and powerless at the same time.
And what is more, I find it odd that the more women achieve the less happy they are. They dip back into history to bring modern blame on men.
Abuser mentality. If you go against your own biology there are consequences, someone has to be blamed.
But rather than show these brilliant women as the brilliant women they were/are, they use their achievements as examples of how horrible men are.
Victim mentality. Any apology is an admission you were an abuser justifying the blame. Don't get equal, get even.
I silenced a third waver a while back, when I noted that there is only one person in the history of Nobel prizes to win 2 of them, in fields that re about as STEM as you can get., and was a woman. That would be one Marie Curie.
And they don't actually want success either. Because then they lose their narrative. Because their narrative is not much else than the old blame target excuse. Always an external reason for failure. And that would be all men.
It's called an external locus of control. The contradiction of being a victim and powerful at the sa
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Here is the irony, as the matriarchy becomes more entrenched women who take on more male characteristics justify taking on the very toxic behaviors males purged themselves of because women haven't experienced the corruption of absolute power and therefore must be immune. The feminist's misandric misogyny progressively bulldozing masculine and feminine behavior simultaneously into a boring androgyny where peoples boundaries are dissolved, personality disorders become the norm and what is natural is called unnatural.
Given the unnaturalness of it all, I wonder how much of this plays into the "Karen" phenomenon? Generally, so called "white" women that suddenly suffer severe mental breakdowns. These ladies are at the very top of the female privilege ladder, and they are kinda psychotic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
The most ironic part is when she starts chasing the lady of African descent who she attacked around the store, screaming "Get away from ME!" over and over.
My wife loves watching the Karen videos, and
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That's what happens when the false reality collapses. Suddenly the camera captures her behavior and the digital persona becomes undeniable evidence of her arrested development. That is a 4 year old in a adult body, a disgusting example of how entitled she feels to be able to tell the lies she needs to reinforce her false reality. The camera is the eye that forces her to confront who she is instead of simply apologizing and walking away.
Both though are all about their feelings. Here highlights why men
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Then at the end when she went to file a complaint about his officers it's fairly clear that the cop is sick of both of them being entitled and antagonistic.
What a sad state of affairs.
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It's not that, it's because all young people need to concentrate on their education and careers when they are in the teens and 20s and early 30s if they want to get anywhere and not be dependent on someone else.
Hah! My wife has a distinctly different approach. Now granted, she is practical, an looks at things differently. She looked at fertility data, and the likelihood of healthy offspring. And came to the science based conclusion that female biology was not created for having children 2 decades after females were capable of having children.
She also looked at career paths - The mantra was work until your in your mid thirties, then have children. Take time off then, this is the way to do this!
When in fact, th
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" just getting to know someone "
1. Date two circles
2. Date the rest of the fucking owl
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The Bumble restaurant / bar sounds like the start of a great idea.
What they should do is let anyone on the app check in when they are there, then let women see the profiles of any guys checked in - the men wouldn't be able to see anything unless the women decided to ping them, and the women could opt to either message them now or later.
It would give the women a lot of comfort in knowing more about the guys around them, while not reveling too much to the guys they were not interested in (fundamentally you'd know women going there were looking for dates).
Bad idea. A meat market is what you describe. Would you think your idea was a good idea if the sexes were reversed?
Funny how it's gone from the simple rejection men have become used to, to the humiliation of the meat market approach
Yes it's absolutely a meat market (Score:1)
Bad idea. A meat market is what you describe.
Yes but a technologically advanced meat market! That's they key you are missing. There is always a place in life for a meat market.
Would you think your idea was a good idea if the sexes were reversed?
Of course not or I would have described it reversed. The whole point is that it is tilted to favor women, and therefore attract them. That's always been the harder part of a meat market.
Funny how it's gone from the simple rejection men have become used to, to the
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Yes but now it's rejection at scale! The lucky thing is men are wired to discard rejection. You just have to be careful not to unwire yourself in that way. Men are extremely lucky that way because rejection builds strength, so really we're not doing the women in this scenario any favors making things easier for them.
The advice I have to men is, Git Gud.
This is all pretty entertaining. And toned sown a bit, you aren't at all wrong.
Yes, men are indeed hella lot better wired for rejection. That's actually one of the secrets the so called Alphas have. They are completely insensitive to rejection. So they just keep on trying, and if it's a likely 10 percent success rate, they'll hit on 10 women an evening.
But if there are no advantages, they'll just decide they've been universally rejected, and enjoy less expensive things, like gaming, travel, and hangin
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The Bumble restaurant / bar sounds like the start of a great idea.
What they should do is let anyone on the app check in when they are there, then let women see the profiles of any guys checked in - the men wouldn't be able to see anything unless the women decided to ping them, and the women could opt to either message them now or later.
I think the issue I have with this is there are a lot of good looking people who have serious mental health issues. Women want good looking guys because they are an indicator of quality genes, however it is not a good indicator of codependency and other personality issues that lead to mental health issues in children. This holds true for the reversed scenario.
It would give the women a lot of comfort in knowing more about the guys around them, while not reveling too much to the guys they were not interested in (fundamentally you'd know women going there were looking for dates).
Sure, it would also provide a rich hunting ground for psychopaths and sociopaths. I'm certain she will feel comfortable in the idealization phase ho
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Its finally my chance (Score:5, Funny)
To be the invisible man in real life, too!
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I'm the invisible man after pretty much any date already.
Richard Feynman (Score:2)
Re:Richard Feynman (Score:5, Insightful)
While very rational, it immediately turns a natural hormonal drive into a felony sex offense.
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Like the old joke
"How comes you are so successful with women?"
"Quite easy, I just walk up to them and ask them if they want to fuck."
"But how! You'd get slapped if you do that!"
"Yes. Lots slap. Some fuck, though."
VR dating (Score:2)
Instead of meeting IRL, why not send a robot-doll and have it be remotely controllable? If you want to have kids with that person you can email your DNA sequence + upgrades and it will print sperm cells for you.
Social Dancing. (Score:3)
Came across Argentine Tango back in 2008 because I wanted to do a friend a favour in being her partner for the course. I got hooked. Not so much because of the music, but because of the formalized encounter between men and women, something that our post-68 society has just about lost. Built my life around Tango for the next decade. 3-5 nights a week plus regular Tango trips around Europe. Up at 11am, programming til 9pm, straight to the Milonga at 10:30pm, dancing until 2-3am, rinse, repeat.
Up to now aside from having a child this was the most profound experience in my life so far. I've met and come close to women most men ( myself included ) wouldn't have dreamt of connecting with. I've had 10+ affairs, a one-year relationship, regular epic pr0n-style s3x with perfect 10s, and gorgeous cute ladies crying in my arms at 4 in the morning under a full moon of an outdoor Milonga, because they were so profoundly moved (no shit). I learned more about women and myself than I could've ever hope and as a result have become so chill and relaxed around women as a consequence that I'm basically a different man.
Social Dancing.
The south American "hugging" styles. Tango, Milonga, Kizomba, Merengue, Bachata.
Go to a regular club 3 years in and you're going to think "What in the lords Eff was I doing here?".
Btw: You can't drink more than one glass of wine and still dance good. Won't happen. As a consequence the nights are long, meaningful and dirt cheap. You're there for the vibe and the hugs. And so are the ladies. Tinder and Co. don't even come close. It's an entirely different world.
My 2 eurocents.
Maybe it's time to let the species die out already (Score:2)
If it only took us a year to forget how it's done, maybe it's for the better of the planet if we don't.