Facebook, Twitter and Other Tech Giants To Target Attacker Manifestos, Far-right Militias in Database (reuters.com) 197
A counterterrorism organization formed by some of the biggest U.S. tech companies including Facebook and Microsoft is significantly expanding the types of extremist content shared between firms in a key database, aiming to crack down on material from white supremacists and far-right militias, the group told Reuters. From the report: Until now, the Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism's (GIFCT) database has focused on videos and images from terrorist groups on a United Nations list and so has largely consisted of content from Islamist extremist organizations such as Islamic State, al Qaeda and the Taliban. Over the next few months, the group will add attacker manifestos -- often shared by sympathizers after white supremacist violence -- and other publications and links flagged by U.N. initiative Tech Against Terrorism. It will use lists from intelligence-sharing group Five Eyes, adding URLs and PDFs from more groups, including the Proud Boys, the Three Percenters and neo-Nazis. The firms, which include Twitter and Alphabet 's YouTube, share "hashes," unique numerical representations of original pieces of content that have been removed from their services. Other platforms use these to identify the same content on their own sites in order to review or remove it.
pictures or it didn't happen (Score:3)
Want to see the database of Unacceptable content.
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But everyone wants to read the Unabomber manifesto.
Re:pictures or it didn't happen (Score:5, Insightful)
Though the message in manifestos of shooters and bombers is irrelevant, what is relevant is having the document itself in plain view to prevent the media lying about it. If you look up the Christchurch shooter's manifesto there are inconsistent reports on its page count, some saying 87, some saying 74. The copy I have is 74 pages, and when double-checking my facts I found some 87 page versions of unknown vericacy, but these are both second hand and not from the original source so there's no way to tell first hand that I have the real thing. Yes I could compare checksums but again I don't have the original checksum from the one that wrote it.
If you ban a book, you can claim an infinite amount of reasons as to why it's banned (including made-up ones), and nobody will be able to fact-check you. If not for bookstores carrying it, you would think that Mein Kampf was 700 pages of nothing but "I HATE JEWS" typed over and over like a nazi parody of The Shining. The idea of banning someone from even looking at specific works because it's "dangerous" is an ideology used by cults and fascists to begin with.
People will also claim that reading a manifesto can urge someone into repeating the acts, but I believe firmly that magic does not exist in this world, ergo a manifesto has no inherent magical powers. As such it stands to reason that if someone reads a manifesto and shoots up a place, he was already evil to begin with.
Re: pictures or it didn't happen (Score:2)
You don't believe in magic but you do believe some people are inherently evil? I just want to clear up the facts about checking if someone is evil? Do cruxifixes work?
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Science looking for the evil gene.
Re:pictures or it didn't happen (Score:5, Interesting)
The Christchruch shooter's manifesto was a shitpost. He literally posted it as a distraction to screw with the media. People who were undercover in white supremacist forums called this out as quickly as they could plow through the document.
Giving any actually credence to the thing is dumb on your part. Also, page count could easily very based on things such as formatting for margins or text size to make it legible to more people.
https://www.bellingcat.com/new... [bellingcat.com]
“Spyro the Dragon 3”, a video game, taught him “ethno-nationalism”?
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I read Mein Kampf in college, it was quite interesting. Don't worry I'm the kind of person they threw in the ovens. What I found most interesting was the grievances that he listed and the stories of oppression of one type of German by others. It taught me that skin color isn't the main factor and any group can be oppressed by others. And that legitimate suffering doesn't give the oppressed a blank check to unleash their idea of justice on everyone else. The book strangely humanizes him and warns us that ext
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This is what journalists are supposed to be for. They are supposed to verify these things and used to be granted special access to such documents even if they were not public for this very reason.
That's breaking down now, partly due to every blogger claiming they are a journalist and demanding access and then screaming cover-up when refused, and partly because the far right has been on the Lügenpresse (lying media) bandwagon for several years now.
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Probably because he was actually an intelligent and respected mathematician before becoming a terrorist.
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Pretty simple really. Stuff like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Also if you break into a federal building and interrupt due process you're a domestic terrorist. https://archive.is/tqAVy [archive.is]
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We already know FBI and other homeland security seek out low IQ people with spare time, fill their heads with terrorist and extremist thoughts which is committing crime of incitement, and then providing them fake bombs or other weapons to have a raid where they then declare another victory in the war against terrorism(tm) with mutual cock sucking and back pats all around.
All theater to justify their existence and to promote the agenda of taking away our rights and invade our privacy, it's police state buil
that's ok (Score:2)
You're free to want things and they are free to ignore you. Likewise, you are free to boycott them for them ignoring you.
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You can't.
You need to understand that if you read this unapproved, hateful material, you will most likely storm the capital and try to destroy American democracy.
We need to protect you from violent and dehumanizing ideas (excluding those from movies/porn). You should thank those in charge for reading the material so you don't have to risk becoming subversive.
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whew, that is a relief !!!!
privatizing 1984's ministries (Score:2, Insightful)
Those social media are banding together to create groupthink. For example, they suppress coverage of certain government committing atrocities and ethnic cleansing and raise smokescreen of racism claims.
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Well, given that the racists and right-wing fringe groups are the ones committing the majority of the attrocities, it's reasonable to conclude that it's not a smokescreen.
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Please, I beg you. Post a list of people murdered by these left wing groups.
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The same Newsweek, where Newt Gingrich writes 20% of the articles? Is that the one we're supposed to look at as an unbiased source of truth?
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The American left doesn't believe that antifia is real and they think that all the violence caused by BLM is actually right wingers in disguise.
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Nope. (Score:2)
Those social media are banding together to create groupthink
Nah, they are banding together to create a terrorism detector. These are literally people who commit acts of terrorism.
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They give governments and groups that commit and sponsor terrorism and mass murder free pass, while censoring others. They lump those that speak out against ills of government and society with those that actually commit terrorism.
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They give governments and groups that commit and sponsor terrorism and mass murder free pass,
Such as?
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Ayatollah Khamenei.
I think he qualifies on all counts.
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I assume you mean current supreme leader of Iran. I think the specific issue here is that he has not used their platforms to further any of that though I could be wrong. Social media companies showed that they will excuse inexcusable behavior from leaders if it furthers their business. Their handling for the former US President made that unmistakably clear.
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Interesting. What was the inexcusable behaviour from the former US President that is worse than the Ayatollah's repeated calls for violence, religious intolerance and attacks on Israel?
https://www.arabnews.com/node/... [arabnews.com] or https://www.nationalreview.com... [nationalreview.com]
Tell me, do, when did the former US President do something worse than ask for a 'final solution' for Israel?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/... [timesofisrael.com]
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Ayatollah's repeated calls for violence, religious intolerance and attacks on Israel?
I read the tweets and they can be interpreted multiple ways. His ambiguous language saves him from being in violation of the ToS, even if you know what he means.
Tell me, do, when did the former US President do something worse than ask for a 'final solution' for Israel?
His overt racism and promotion of it (even on twitter) seems worse than a piece of vile propaganda since it encourages violence within the nation itself. A large percentage of hate crimes are crimes of opportunity and they drastically increased while he was in office.
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His overt racism and promotion of it (even on twitter)
Oh? I missed that. Especially on twitter. Perhaps you can support this defamatory claim?
seems worse than a piece of vile propaganda
What the fuck? Some alleged and unsubstantiated claim of racism is worse than demanding the destruction of a nation state, that's being attacked by terrorists already?
You're just not credible.
A large percentage of hate crimes are crimes of opportunity and they drastically increased while he was in office.
They did. In addition to the extreme levels of black on black violence there was an uptick in black on white violence, an increase in white on 'innocent white person who holds the wrong views' violence, and a major increase in viole
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You know what, I gave you a chance but I'm done with you.
And to complete the job⦠(Score:1)
While it needs to be done (Score:2)
this is NOT going to end well
I fear for what comes next. (Score:2)
While I applaud social media companies trying to clamp down on white supremacy, there needs something that fills the void that many of these people seek from white supremacist groups. If not, we are just pushing these groups underground where they are going to be more difficult to track. We have already observed how misinformation groups on COVID-19 have shifted their language to avoid detection by Facebook.
We can't outright destroy these groups. We need to find a way to make them less attractive, hopefu
Re: I fear for what comes next. (Score:2)
s/white supremacy//g
Now read it aloud to yourself. Get it?
If you load the very gun that someone uses to shoots you with, that's on you. Be smarter.
Re: I fear for what comes next. (Score:2)
Replace with "your pet group". Durn mobile editor. *Grumble*
Social media beds down with intelligence agencies (Score:2)
https://greenwald.substack.com... [substack.com]
China must be laughing it's head off.
Rightthink (Score:2)
Rightthink shall be enforced! Resistance is futile!
What's YOUR social credit score? (Score:2)
Play ball, don't buck the system. Keep your head down. Think clean thoughts, and you'll be safe. The government is for the people and by the people, and has your best needs as it's highest priority. You can trust us! We never lie! Google's motto is "First, do no evil" - so, as you can tell, they're not evil!
5 eyes (Score:2)
"intelligence-sharing group Five Eyes": As in the US, UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand government intelligence agencies? Or is there some other Five Eyes?
Fat chance they will (Score:2)
Every time they run the algorithms, their profit motive in serving up extremism to radical extremist makes them not do it.
Can they make a profit? Sure.
Will they find as many gullible people to click on links and buy fake meds and extremist ideologies? No.
Wake me when the EU shuts them all down.
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No, they're not. They're violent insurgents.
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Ahh, I see where you went wrong., The white supremist groups they're in conflict are not a 'regular army'.
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The Government?
You have a fucking weird definition of white supremist groups. Maybe supremist is a new word, rather than a novel way to spell supremacist.
Re:But they're cool... (Score:5, Informative)
Just like all terrorists/insurgents do.
Correct. Right-wing terrorists do burn police stations [theguardian.com]. They even brag about it on Facebook.
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So you're agreeing that the left wing groups doing these things are also terrorists/insurgents?
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So you're agreeing that the left wing groups doing these things are also terrorists/insurgents?
Define "terrorist" and "insurgent" as you mean them, please.
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Did you mean to ask the person I was replying to that question? Because for the sake of this conversation, I'll most likely concede to their definition.
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The article said he did it on the behalf of and alongside of Black Lives Matter, a leftist organization. Since he was gladly working for the left, how right wing can he be?
Violence bad. So who can do the most violence? (Score:2)
You propagated a troll Subject of a slightly more clever than average sort.
But of course I have to confess to seeing things oddly.
Starts with change. It happens. Until you die. And even then the changes continue to happen. You just stop worrying about them.
So since we're going to change to live, the important question is what kind of changes. Two basic options: (1) Small, gradual, evolutionary changes. (2) Big, abrupt, revolutionary changes.
Now about the direction of change. No guarantees. Sometimes for the
Re:The meet all criteria (Score:5, Informative)
Fox news is hardly a reliable source of truth. Nice try.
Re:The meet all criteria (Score:5, Insightful)
It's hilarious when they latch onto a talking point. Gain of function is now a talking point by people who have never strung those words together before and don't have a clue what it means. All they know is FAUCI BAD!
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Point proven. You don't know what gain function even means or how its relevant to the current virus.
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This work for you?
https://www.washingtonexaminer... [washingtonexaminer.com]
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Uh, referencing Fox News isn't helping you make your case.
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Yeah, I think AC is missing the definition of terrorist.
https://www.britannica.com/top... [britannica.com]
It kind of requires the use of terror to achieve a political goal.
Re:But they're cool... (Score:4, Informative)
Antifa isn't an organization and has been linked to virtually no violence or violent rhetoric. So aside from not being extremists, a militia or terrorists, what have they ever done to harm you? Oh, that's right, they told you that they're tired of the abuse and hate.
Re: But they're cool... (Score:1, Insightful)
Re: But they're cool... (Score:5, Informative)
Stop listening to fake news.
https://time.com/5886348/repor... [time.com]
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/... [csmonitor.com]
https://www.radcliffe.harvard.... [harvard.edu]
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Re: But they're cool... (Score:5, Interesting)
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
"Federal and local arrest records in dozens of cities make virtually no mention of antifa. Law enforcement officials who had braced for the purported invasion of antifa militants in cities large and small now mostly acknowledge the threat has not appeared."
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Last I checked, it was the white nationalists who were using Nazi flags, propaganda, etc. And the attack on the capitol was right out of fhe Nazi playbook. The only reason it didn't succeed is because the eejit in the White House at the time didn't have operational control of the military, and he's a weenie with no balls. He failed to march down Penn. Ave. like the dumb boobs who listened to him and were stupid enough to believe he'd be with them. After 4+ years and over 30,000 falsehoods, they still took h
Only groups I see attacking jews on left now (Score:2)
Last I checked, it was the white nationalists who were using Nazi flags, propaganda, etc.
And yet it is Antifa and BLM groups attacking jews in the streets.
Antifa and BLM are far more the modern day nazis than white supremacists groups which hardly exist any longer. Antifa has more than taken up the anti-zionist flag to attack the Jew [jewishcurrents.org] wherever found.... all while pretending to be against fascism...
If you are in any way associated with Antifa, time to look around and ask that question - Are we the baddies? [youtube.com]
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How so? Please be very specific. Also, when the left attacked the capital, in the exact same manner, during the Kavanaugh hearings, was that right out of fhe Nazi playbook?
You went from "tell me facts" to "here are some of my lies".
Please post ANY CREDIABLE ANYTHING that anyone attacked anything " during the Kavanaugh hearings,"
You are either a liar or stupid, or both, not exclusive.
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Are you an idiot?
Their favourite slogal is literally "punch people you don't agree with", and they regularly assault protesters / counter protesters (or at least try).
Re:But they're cool... (Score:5, Informative)
Antifa isn't an organization and has been linked to virtually no violence or violent rhetoric.
This is extreme case of gaslighting.
There are not only multiple reports, with video evidence, there are actual convictions and arrests:
Antifa arsonist gets four years in prison for burning Minneapolis police station. [opindia.com].
Oregon antifa activist sentenced to nearly six years for cracking manâ(TM)s skull [washingtontimes.com]
Antifa protester who attacked Trump supporter pleads guilty to assault [nypost.com]
Portland radical murdered a Trump supporter â" and became a hero for Antifa [nypost.com].
To continue claiming that "no violence or violent rhetoric" is simply counter-factual. There were cases of murder, assaults, arson and so on perpetuated by Antifa members.
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Antifa isn't an organization
By that logic, "white nationalists" aren't an organization. Here take a look at this: https://i.imgur.com/Tbw2yww.pn... [imgur.com]
As you can see, victims from "Secular/Political/Anarchist" perpetrators is around 5,000 - 10,000x higher than the 'boogeyman' of "Neonazi/Fascists/White Supremacists".
I'm open to be corrected or adjust my views in light of new information. I'd be careful with your assertion that Antifa isn't linked to violence if such categorizations are not made in the first place, and instead com
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you utterly deny the massive scale of death and destruction wrought by Antifa with a hand-wave
What destruction are you talking about? If you're talking about the BLM riots, that's not Antifa. It's mostly not even BLM (which also isn't an organization). Those riots were destructive, but not organized. They were the outgrowth of mob mentality, building on widespread anger at perceived injustice plus a healthy dollop of opportunism. Heck, a few of the rioters were wealthy white kids with no political stake at all, just looking for a chance to break shit. The right thing to do in cases of riots -- and w
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I mean, maybe it's worth talking about what object-oriented programming has done to major cities.
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it's people actually opposing fascism (which is literally all Antifa means.)
Antifa is against fascism in the same way that antipasta is against pasta.
You want to claim Antifa isn't an organisation? Bullshit. Someone's putting out the pallets of bricks, hiring buses to take violent cunts around the country to burn shit and organising attacks on federal buildings. Stop trying to lie to us that they don't exist.
It's no fucking different to ISIS. Multiple independent groups all calling themselves the same thing, all acting like murdering scum.
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Not a lot of evidence there that this is the secret society of "Antifa". Maybe a few people here and there self identify as Antifa. But who are the leaders, where do they meet, what is the agenda, etc? Does not exist as anything but an extremely loose set of people with vague goals. They're just like the hotheads on the alt-right, they want to show up and crack some skulls - the politics don't matter since they goal is not politics but to get angry and join in whenever a mob shows up.
It's just the age o
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Not a lot of evidence [...] It's ridiculous how gullible people can be.
A whole bunch of cunts turn up dressed the same, following an organised plan, using resources provided to them attack federal buildings and you tell us that we're the gullible ones for thinking they might possibly be coordinated?
You want evidence, go count the literally hundreds of violent fucking riots last year.
Better yet, write to the FBI and ask them why they're failing to identify and prosecute the people organising and funding this violence. The FBI keep going on about the far right and white supremac
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I've not heard of a single person identifying themselves as part of Antifa.
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Are you kidding? I guess someone need to let Biden know
https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch... [snopes.com]
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with far-left militias like Antifa.
When was the last time anyone saw Antifa with a firearm? Lots of Boogaloo Boys dressing up like Antifa but they were exposed upon being arrested.
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Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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From your article:
"Unlike the white supremacist and the far right, which glorifies mass violence by loners and small cells against minorities and enemies, hard-left violence has generally been less fatal and more directed towards property, racists and to a lesser extent police and journalists," Levin said.
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Antifa has killed scores,
Post a list. I'll wait.
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Not even a single mention of Antifa.
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Except the guy accused of murdering a Trump supporter was murdered by police. [wikipedia.org]
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I haven't been threatened with a firearm by either groups, but that doesn't mean I am blind to it all.
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Wait? Proud Boys are anarchists now?
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So why don't you post a link where people can see where to sign on to this "Antifa?" Or perhaps a schedule of their meetings?
If they're as prevalent as you say, it should be easy to find their recruitment sites, wouldn't it?
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Do you have a list of people who were killed by anyone from BLM or Antifa?
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You claim Antifa has "killed scores" but can only offer proof of one.
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You asked for a list of "anyone" that was killed and then change the goalpost once that's provided. I listed a few to your cut and paste post as has several others.
You are clearly not open to learning anything.
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"One federal officer was fatally shot while guarding a federal building during a May 29 Black Lives Matter protest in Oakland, California. But the suspect arrested in the shooting, active duty Air Force Sgt. Stephen Carrillo, was linked to an emerging movement called "boogaloo," a term used by far-right extremists to signify a coming civil war and/or fall of civilization," according to fed