Biden Wants Half of New Cars Sold in 2030 To Be Hybrid or All-Electric (theverge.com) 293
President Biden wants 50 percent of all new cars sold in the United States in 2030 to be all-electric, plug-in hybrid, or hydrogen-powered. From a report: In addition, his administration will propose new fuel economy and emissions standards that will more or less erase the Trump administration's rollback of the previous Obama-era rules covering cars made through 2025. Biden will also sign an executive order that tasks the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) to develop aggressive long-term rules to support his 2030 target, ones that include medium- and heavy-duty vehicles as well. "When I say electric vehicles are the future, I'm not joking," read a tweet from the President on Wednesday night.
This planned shift away from internal combustion engines is not as aggressive as the approaches that have been proposed or set in motion around the world. The European Union has proposed a de-facto ban on sales of new gas-powered passenger vehicles by 2035, though France has pushed back on the phaseout of hybrids, which still use fossil fuels. The United Kingdom wants to stop selling new combustion engine vehicles by 2030. China wants all new cars sold in 2035 to be hybrids at the very least, but is aiming for 50 percent to be plug-in hybrid, battery electric, or hydrogen-powered.
This planned shift away from internal combustion engines is not as aggressive as the approaches that have been proposed or set in motion around the world. The European Union has proposed a de-facto ban on sales of new gas-powered passenger vehicles by 2035, though France has pushed back on the phaseout of hybrids, which still use fossil fuels. The United Kingdom wants to stop selling new combustion engine vehicles by 2030. China wants all new cars sold in 2035 to be hybrids at the very least, but is aiming for 50 percent to be plug-in hybrid, battery electric, or hydrogen-powered.
Lol (Score:4, Funny)
Slashdot: Bitcoin is a waste of electricity, ban it!
Also slashdot: It’s my money I can drive around getting 8 miles per gallon if I want!
Re: Lol (Score:2)
I dare you to find an actual example of someone who claims both.
No one is stopping you from being an asshole (Score:3)
Also slashdot: It’s my money I can drive around getting 8 miles per gallon if I want!
I tried that defense at my hearing. "It's my money, I can do what I want" just wasn't very persuasive to that judge as to why I hired those prostitutes.
You want to be a raging asshole? no one is stopping you. There is no mandate and if they ever made one, there would be a million loopholes, including the secondary market. You can drive whatever asshole-mobile you like. When you pull up in your vintage H2, all the ladies will know you as the virile stud you are, with the perfectly sized and fully fun
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Slashdot a science and technology site, where new technology is bad and scary.
There is no hypocrisy going on they will grasp at straws to show how any new technology is really REALLY bad, despite actual facts and numbers. If the new technology has Any Tradeoff no matter how minor, it is game for full attack.
It reminds me about 20 years ago, when I First Started working as a consultant, the Company was running on a 20 year old mainframe. He completely dismissed using newer Sun Gear to do the work as it can p
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Slashdot: Bitcoin is a waste of electricity, ban it!
Also slashdot: It’s my money I can drive around getting 8 miles per gallon if I want!
Meanwhile, if I had bought bitcoin the last time a doomsday bitcoin value article ran here, I’d have already made almost 50% and could afford that Tesla.
how the poor buys cars (Score:2, Interesting)
when I didn't have money, I'd buy used, and still do for the most part. It's all fine and dandy when people can afford to buy a new car, but the prices of cars with new safety features and complex hybrid systems keep going up ($24K is about the lowest you can go now for a hybrid). This prices more and more middle-class Americans out of new cars, and puts pressure on the available used car market through a combination of demand and reduced supply.
What Americans need is an affordable and reasonably environmen
Used electric cars are a thing (Score:5, Insightful)
The first Prius hybrid was sold 20 years ago. The first Nissan Leaf (fully electric) was sold 11 years ago. There are lots of used HEV and EV cars out there for reasonable prices (comparable to ICE models of the same year).
The industry has proven time and again that they will not be responsible without mandates. When forced to make fuel-efficient cars they just stopped selling cars and sold SUVs and pickups instead.
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Problem is, those earlier electric cars are in pretty sad shape now. Very few people will service one, selling a replacement battery pack at a decent price and installing it for you.
That's why most aren't really viable as used car options.
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Battery packs can be replaced at U-pull-it junkyards these days. There have been plenty wrecked in the last decade or two as well.
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The first Nissan Leaf (fully electric) was sold 11 years ago.
Oof, I wouldn’t have used the Leaf as an example, that first year Leaf had a class action suit on the battery. Even the subsequent years didn’t see the battery reliability fixed so much as minimum incremental improvement. Then to lower costs, the replacement packs were even lower quality cells than the originals. Lesson of the day is to avoid the older EV without any cooling or properly programmed battery management systems. Old EVs are great, as long as you understand the battery costs, they
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Currently the big price barrier with full EV are the battery costs, with an industry and government push for mining of materials, recycling old batteries, and new Research and Development of Battery technology, where we can get the cost of a EV quality batteries down to an affordable level. The price of the EV cars in theory could drop to much lower than that of an ICE Car.
EV are just simpler technology, Electric Motor(s) that spin the wheel, powered by computer to control speed, heating and cooling to man
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EVs in general are quite simple, but cars are getting more and more complex every year. Infotainment systems, smart this, smart that, auto driving. Nobody seems interested in just making a simple vehicle to get you from A to B. Every vehicle wants to be a status symbol, even if it's just a basic sedan. I would love to have a simple basic vehicle just for basic tasks using around town. But they don't make a simple vehicle anymore.
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Historically, the way we solved the problem of middle-class Americans being priced out of driving has been to heavily subsidize it with the sales tax [taxfoundation.org]. So we could double down on that strategy in order to keep our roads full of cars if you think that's a good thing.
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Based on my poorest friends- Ending ICE sales in 2035 (the drop dead date of most states) means that 99% of the cars on the road will be electric by 2055.
I bought my prius used for $6000 in 2012- a 2006.
I suspect that electrics will see similar steep depreciation.
Invite Tesla to your meeting maybe ? (Score:3)
Re:Invite Tesla to your meeting maybe ? (Score:4, Informative)
Speculation seems to be that it's because the administration is favoring unionized manufacturers.
They're getting an extra $2500 in incentives per car sold as well.
Don't count on it (Score:2)
Telsa has done a great job at making luxury electric cars; but a poor job at making affordable cars, the kind the majority of Americans drive (no the Model 3 is not affordable, just slightly less luxury).
Re:Invite Tesla to your meeting maybe ? (Score:5, Interesting)
Probably because Tesla hasn't paid them enough.
https://www.opensecrets.org/or... [opensecrets.org]
https://www.opensecrets.org/or... [opensecrets.org]
https://www.opensecrets.org/or... [opensecrets.org]
Re:Invite Tesla to your meeting maybe ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Tesla is kinda in a political Limbo.
As the GOP is backed by Big Oil, So they don't like Tesla (Tesla also doesn't do traditional advertising, so they are not putting money into Cable News Pockets)
The Democrats are backed by Unions, Tesla is a non-union shop, So the Democrats like Biden will more likely put GM and Ford in the spotlight than Tesla (Tesla also doesn't do traditional advertising, so they are not putting money into Cable News Pockets)
Tesla is based in California and to be moving to Texas. Both states are large and wealthy, so the growth or loss of Tesla isn't going to get people up in arms and changing their votes. Unlike say GM or Ford closing plants in Michigan, which a large part of its economy is around these few companies.
At this phase, I don't think Tesla needs to worry too much about it though, they tend to get the love of Local Politics, which is enough for them, plus at the Word of Mouth advertising seems to be working for them.
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Tesla already makes 100% electric cars. It's the others who need some encouragement to clean up.
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Tesla still has the most advanced technology; all other cars makers still lag on things like range or charging time.
I just think it's a pity that the guy who designs the Tesla models' interiors doesn't have a driving license and probably the closest he got to driving a vehicle was riding in a pushcart in some Walmart's parking lot.
California can't even keep the lights on now (Score:3, Insightful)
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Do you think that everyone will be charging their cars from empty to 100% every night?
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Solar panels on peoples homes that is connected to the grid, is a wonderful solution, while it may not cover 100% of what is needed, it does offer individuals a way to be self sufficient (with say a battery backup), as well be able to work with the larger power generation to help keep the load needed.
Nuclear power, just is not Clean or Safe nor Affordable. No it isn't a nuclear bomb that is going to blow up, but it will require a lot of monitoring and safety regulations to keep it running, as these plants
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Liar, the dangerous radioisotopes that kill and maim are from coal plants. No radiation maiming or deaths at commercial nuclear power plants, only industrial accidents of the type that happen at fossil plants too (electrocution, feedwater pipe breaking, steam pipe breaking, equipment falling)
The experiment has been fine.
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"Nuclear power, just is not Clean or Safe nor Affordable. No it isn't a nuclear bomb that is going to blow up, but it will require a lot of monitoring and safety regulations to keep it running, as these plants get older it is clear that the Nuclear Power Experiment was not as good as they hoped."
I wonder who will pay the bill for guarding the radioactive ashes for 250,000 years.
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Nuclear power, just is not Clean or Safe nor Affordable.
Yes it is.
but it will require a lot of monitoring and safety regulations to keep it running, as these plants get older it is clear that the Nuclear Power Experiment was not as good as they hoped.
I suspect there is a bright future ahead from SMRs that are cheap, inherently safe and mostly constructed offsite.
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Nuclear power is extremely safe and has an almost impeccable track record in America. It is clean since it does not emit carbon and the used fuel is manageable. The only reason it isn't affordable is that it is not allowed to externalize its environmental costs, unlike other forms of power. It should get the same green-energy subsidies that wind and solar do, and carbon-intensive sources should be paying for the damage to the environment.
New designs are safer than ever and there's no way to meet this increa
Happening Regardless (Score:5, Insightful)
This change over is likely to happen regardless of what the U.S. government mandates (or not). Several manufacturers have announced they are ceasing R&D on internal combustion engines, and the big ones have announced major product shifts to EVs. Once the market makes that calculus, there's no going back.
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The standards have already pretty much consolidated to CSS and Tesla. ChadeMo is the only other one, and it's basically just the Leaf that still uses it. Since there are adaptors available in both directions (although Tesla won't sell its CSS adapter in the U.S. for some reason), standards aren't really that big of a deal.
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The EU forced Tesla to adopt CCS. Most EU countries have set a date for the end of all ICE sales, generally between 2030 and 2040.
The US should do likewise.
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The standards have already pretty much consolidated to CSS and Tesla. ChadeMo is the only other one, and it's basically just the Leaf that still uses it. Since there are adaptors available in both directions (although Tesla won't sell its CSS adapter in the U.S. for some reason), standards aren't really that big of a deal.
The standards are actually a HUGE deal, I’m furious at how the infrastructure is being treated as private business model. Imagine if Ford gas stations refused to sell gas to chevys or any other make. This BS around the charging infrastructure being exclusionary and requiring unnecessary duplication of charging stations is a major factor in stopping competition and it slows widespread adoption.
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But Tesla has already announced it is opening its network up to other makes. We may have a lack of chargers in total, but interoperability isn't going to be an issue.
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My neighbour is a drag racer and big time gearhead, I was talking to him a couple of months ago when he had borrowed an electric car from work, and he was in love with the instant power. We also discussed the possibility of an electric dragster. We agreed that while less exciting, in a big noise way, that in a very few years all drag racing will be moving to electric because it will
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Modern EV are superior to ICE in a lot of ways, and not just about the environment.
1. High Torque. The recently released Tesla Model S Plaid while being 120k car, had outperformed cars that cost over $3 million to make. Also the Specs on the new Electric Trucks from Tesla, Ford, GM, Rivian... are insane compared to the normal ICE Trucks today, for their size.
2. Simpler design. EV only have a few dozen moving parts, vs hundreds of parts in ICE. And most of the design is around a standard Skateboard Batte
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Disillusioned (Score:3)
So the pandemic isdoing what it does... meanwhile the restrictions are lifting and I'm starting to go back to work in person for a few days a week.
Ya know what I notice? How much I LOATHE other human beings. Commuting both with my car and public transportation makes me want to choke a motherfucker... daily. Sometimes quarter hourly depending on how many idiots are on the road.
I'm thinking about buying a pedelec. I don't want to pay the railway company 3k+ a year if I only go to the office twice or three times a week.
It's just unfortunate those things cost 5k+ right now... But I might be able to do the 32km in the same timeframe it'd take me by train. And that way, not only would I have my physical activity licked without having to cough up extra motivation, it would also get me out into fresh air.
Notice the treadmill (Score:2, Insightful)
First it's all EVs, then all EVs or hydrogen, then all EVs, hydrogen, or range-extended EVs. Now it's 50%.
The lack of honesty disgusts me as much as the top-down dictates. Not a single prominent advocate for all EV private transportation, private sector, government, or elected official, has the balls to tell the truth that EVs are *not* a one-to-one replacement for ICE cars and trucks and that while there are some things they can do better, there are also things they can't do period.
That would be like telli
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"What "prominent advocate[s] for all EV private transportation" did you consider in this analysis of yours, and what public positions have those advocates taken? Citations please.
Sounds like complete "fake news" bullshit to me. Furthermore, we don't need "one-to-one replacement[s] of ICE".
With what money? (Score:4, Insightful)
This encourages car companies to make their electrics expensive luxury cars to cater to people who can apply for that credit. Economies of scale can't kick in when the incentive structures meant to get a new market off the ground are this counter productive.
Until then Electric cars will be luxury items or overpriced, half ass & poorly engineered vehicles built to comply with emission requirements and that catch fire.
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the current tax breaks only apply to high income earners (e.g. you need to be able to itemize and write off $7500 from your taxes). Make it a direct tax credit like when I replaced my AC 20 years ago and we'll talk.
It's a nonrefundable tax credit, not a tax deduction.
See: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/... [cnet.com]
Loves me some Presidential initiatives (Score:3, Interesting)
Presidents says a lot of things.
How many here are old enough to remember the "hydrogen economy"?
"President Bush's $1.2 billion hydrogen fuel initiative aims to reverse America's growing dependence on foreign oil by accelerating the commercialization of hydrogen-powered fuel cells to power cars, trucks, homes and businesses with no pollution or greenhouse gases."
That was June 2003.
Locking yourself in Gas-only (Score:2)
Locking yourself in a gas-only car will be increasingly risky. Personally I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket will gasoline-only cars.
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You're funny. The vehicles that get stranded without station are electric ones. Where I live the diesel and the gasoline stations less than two miles apart... when there aren't a couple competing ones on the same block.
It will take years to build out electric stations, let's revisit topic in 5 years, the big makers should have competitive prices there will be many times the rechargers.
Biden wants America to look like Cuba (Score:2)
Re:I want a synthetic gasoline fuel cell car too. (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh noes lithium can catch fire! Better get a car filled with a supervolatile flammable liquid instead, those never catch fire! Even better if it's a modern one with an extra hot turbocharger under the hood wrapped in flammable insulation materials and then surrounded tightly by rubber hoses carrying that fuel as well as other flammable liquids such as napalm-like ATF, that would be best.
Re: I want a synthetic gasoline fuel cell car too. (Score:4, Interesting)
For those keeping score, BEVs are 1/5th as likely to burn as an ICE car. Most BEVs that burned are tiny Tesla cars, but hobby DIY conversions by small shops.
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Hobby DIY conversions by small shops using Samsung Batteries (only time I've ever been scared out of my mind repairing anything was when I tried to replace the battery in my Samsung S8 Active and I suddenly had a damn Roman Candle on my desk!)
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Oh noes lithium can catch fire! Better get a car filled with a supervolatile flammable liquid instead, those never catch fire!
There is fundamentally no reason why the market should tolerate inherently unstable batteries. You should be able to deform and shoot holes in batteries without fear of runaway chemical reactions. The primary danger from batteries should be high current and any safety/fire risk from that not dangerously unstable chemistries.
Re:I want a synthetic gasoline fuel cell car too. (Score:5, Informative)
Most EV offer over 250 mile range, with the newer models over 300 miles (that is about 4 hours of driving), they can charge back to a useful range after 15-20 minutes of charge.
So you are so worried about battery fires, while you drive in a car powered by making explosions. And the Statistics shows that a fuel car has a much higher probability of catching fire than a battery car.
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Better yet, I want the ultimate hybrid, an electric vehicle with 20kwh of batteries, and a standardized slot for gas, diesel, ethanol, kerosene, white gas, propane, hydrogen fuel cell, or thorium generators. You should also be able to plug it in so that those other options are backups.
Refueling should be just a core charge swap on the generator- takes two minutes. Except for the Thorium- that you need to refuel only once every decade or so.
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Yeah this isn't an ambitious target so much as a reminder to check that nothing's gone horribly wrong. EVs with 4-digit range, 15-minute quick charges, and ICE vehicle prices should be available in the mid/late-2020s, nobody's going to want a new ICE vehicle then.
General Delay (Score:2)
My Gallant Men March Forward,
Said General Delay,
And I'll be right behind them,
To Lead them to the Fray.
The Gallant Men Marched Forward,
Their hearts went pitter-pat,
Their guns went boom,
They turned and ran,
And stamped the General flat.
The moral of this story is that War can make you Dead.
To be a happy General, stay safely home in bed.
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Setting a date is not the same thing as planning. I live in the UK where the government set a 2030 date to ban the sale of non-electric cars. So far there is little sign of the infrastructure that will be needed to deal with the resulting vast increase in the number of electric vehicles being ready on time. Quite the opposite, we are actually lacking infrastructure even for the small number of electric vehicles we have now. We are way behind schedule for building out charging infrastructure. And we are doin
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He's still 5 years behind California.
But I for one intend on slowly shifting my winnings on the next cycle of bitcoin into lithium and copper mines.
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"I don't think it actually wins many votes in Europe."
It's not a popularity contest.
Re: Hybrids are pointless. (Score:3, Informative)
Re: Hybrids are pointless. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: Hybrids are pointless. (Score:5, Insightful)
The cheapest Tesla is basically $36K. My current car was $18K.
I don't see myself being in the market for a $36K car any time soon...and that's with a household income of $220K. No interest in Tesla's products unless they get their prices down to something reasonable.
Re: Hybrids are pointless. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: Hybrids are pointless. (Score:5, Insightful)
> They have plans to make a smaller car in the $25k range
They have plans to have their fully autonomous car drive across the country by itself in 2019.
Musk "has plans" for a long of stuff. Including plans to accomplish a lot of things several years ago. Things they haven't accomplished.
Musk "plans" is about as useful as "Biden wants".
Re: Hybrids are pointless. (Score:5, Insightful)
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I have often wondered if Musk's timelines were aspirational or apocryphal
Considering the (eventual) follow through, I think aspirational is a fair label
At this point Musk timelines are being followed through on and are focused on burying the ICE manufacturers
A generational change is occurring in the auto industry and only Tesla is positioned to gain from it
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I agree we're in a generational change, but I think the idea only Tesla will benefit feels a bit out of date by now. A few OEMs are clearly transitioning with some commercial success:
- VW, which has built multiple platforms at different price-points from MEB for eg id3, id4, Cupra Born, Enyaq through to Audi e-tron GT and Taycan
- Renault, which invested 10 years with the Zoe, saw significant success, built a dedicated lower cost platform, and is about to launch it
- Mercedes, who built something pretty impre
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You are making a poor value decision since the Teslaâ(TM)s TCO is pretty close to the TCO of your $18k car while being safer and more reliable.
The relative safety and reliability of a Corolla compared to a Model 3 can be argued, but it's not obvious. Safety is mostly dependent on the human driver and not the car, and reliability depends on the aspect being discussed (e.g., Toyota fit and finish is better than Tesla, but gas cars have more parts that could fail, but few of those failures would be expected in the first five to ten years of ownership).
I believe TCO of a Model 3 compared to a Corolla is vastly overexaggerated. Fuel costs depend on t
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So in 9 years and 90K miles you only have to change oil and nothing else. ...
No transmission or other belts, no mufflers & cat converter, no spark plugs, no brake pads (on a BEV with regen they last 5-10 years) or disks, no coolant top-ups or flushes
Where did you find this mythical NEW unbreakable $18k car ? I want one too ! The cheapest Corolla i found is $21,145, excluding dealership fees and any other fees (as per the small print).
Also i love the Gas prices in your area.
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And next year, Ford will be coming out with the F150 Lightning, a truck with a cheaper sticker price than the ICE version.
Re: Hybrids are pointless. (Score:2)
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I will believe it when I see it
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I wish Ford would be able to get the range extender onto it that they patented a year or so ago. Yes, a range extender is "just" a generator, but it would give the Lightning the best of both worlds... the stump-pulling torque of a BEV, coupled with just needing to get fuel at a gas station, rather than having to plug in for hours on a long trip. Come a power outage, the range extender can keep the battery topped off, and allow it to be used as a makeshift backup generator.
I'm just surprised range extender
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I'm just surprised range extender technology hasn't made it to more BEVs. It solves a lot of problems, and completely separates the IC engine from the drivetrain, allowing for simpler engines to be made. Best of all worlds.
Range extenders are limited by regulations. BMW has one available for their i3, but it has to have a small gas tank to be considered a BEV and not a hybrid for CAFE purposes.
https://www.bmwblog.com/2015/0... [bmwblog.com]
Presumably this leaves an opening for the aftermarket to solve, but I'd rather have a hybrid in any case.
Re: Hybrids are pointless. (Score:4, Informative)
Events like this are organized through a company's PR department.
Telsa doesn't have a PR department.
Re:Hybrids are pointless. (Score:5, Informative)
Lots of people have hybrids and assume their complexity creates issues. In the end, the complexity itself is not a pure negative.
Lots of people hate what they look like. Then again, lots of non hybrid SUVs are "pug ugly".
Lots of people hate what they drive like. The CVT really grates on some people who expect shifting. I pity them in an all electric car (BEV of FCEV alike).
Lots of people just want to be trolls.
Personally, I am on my 3rd "lower/zero emissions vehicle". One hybrid and 2 FCEVs.
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With you on component failure but not range. Hybrids are the only electric cars with "infinite" range (due to a gasoline backup).
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Um, hybrids enjoy a relatively quick recharge - minutes at the pump, vs. more like an hour on the plug.
But yes, very convenient and very fast. Hybrids have a future unless some battery tech overcomes the worst limitations, and when the charging network becomes ubiquitous. No, it is not yet.
And working out what happens when electric cars get stuck in traffic for more than an hour, in hot or cold climates.
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Just using some back of the envelope math:
Say I'm playing Cannonball Run. But I'm on vacation, so I'm limiting myself to 80 MPH for 10 hours a day.
I need 800 miles of battery capacity to charge at night.
Better yet, give me an RV with either 1200 miles of battery capacity OR, alternatively, a week's worth of LED lighting, heat, air conditioning, and cooking (depending on which way I've flipped a simple switch)- and then cover it with solar panels including a pair of awning wings that are hinged at the top a
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And working out what happens when electric cars get stuck in traffic for more than an hour, in hot or cold climates.
How much power does the A/C or heater use? An electric car sitting still (in or out of traffic) doesn't use any electricity for the motor (unlike an ICEV idling in traffic) so all that should be draining the battery is A/C / heater and maybe lights and audio system. You could very well be right that there isn't enough power in a partially charged car but then again with an ICEV you can run out of gas while stuck in traffic as well (although it is MUCH easier to refuel an ICEV that runs out of power than an
Traffic jam or parking lot? (Score:3)
Only an hour? No problem. A Tesla with a 75kWh battery can run the AC or heater for over 100 hours [quora.com]. If it's a really long traffic jam, then what happens is the same thing that happens in a gas car; you pull over to the shoulder and call AAA.
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What lessened range?
F150 Echoboost (ICE) has a 550 miles range
F150 Hybrid has over 700 miles range
While Hybrids are a bit more expensive, however they also tend to lessen your need for oil changes, (cheaper) as well your breaks tend to last longer too, as regenerative breaking saves on the pads. So over the live of the Car/Truck you actually save money.
The Electric Motor also can provide much better Torque than ICE can, and it is more energy efficient, while the High Density Gasoline, you have only a smal
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Don't worry.... (Score:2)
...Biden will out of office then, so this is just posturing.
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Perhaps this is why there are headlines like "U.S. Ranks Dead Last for Healthcare Among 11 Wealthy Countries"
https://www.democracynow.org/2... [democracynow.org]
"...the Commonwealth Fund. Researchers found the U.S. spends far more per capita than 10 other nations - Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Holland, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and the U.K. - yet has the lowest life expectancy, highest infant and maternal mortality rates, and the most glaring inequities."
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Perhaps this is why there are headlines like "U.S. Ranks Dead Last for Healthcare Among 11 Wealthy Countries"
https://www.democracynow.org/2... [democracynow.org]
"...the Commonwealth Fund. Researchers found the U.S. spends far more per capita than 10 other nations - Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Holland, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and the U.K. - yet has the lowest life expectancy, highest infant and maternal mortality rates, and the most glaring inequities."
Here's a list of columns from DemocracyNow. Do you detect a political bias? https://www.democracynow.org/c... [democracynow.org]
AUG 05, 2021 Once Unhoused Herself, Congresswoman’s Protest Forces White House to Extend Eviction Ban
JUL 29, 2021 Bob Moses: A Legendary Civil Rights Organizer Passes the Torch
JUL 22, 2021 In the West Texas Desert, Billionaires Rocket Above as Migrants Die Below
JUL 15, 2021 The Lone Star All-Stars: Don’t Mess with Texas Voting Rights
JUL 08, 2021 A Posthumous Measure of Justice for Berta
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You done got that messenger good!
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Perhaps this is why there are headlines like "U.S. Ranks Dead Last for Healthcare Among 11 Wealthy Countries"
And first in military power, military spending, and power projection. It's should be clear to anyone what is prioritized in the US and how it differs culturally from other industrialized nations.
If your only metric is healthcare then I question your methodology. There are nations with better labor practices than Australia and Canada. Better infrastructure than the U.K. and Germany. etc. we could carefully choose our metrics to make any point we wish.
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More like 8, but yes. 10 at the outside if you're VP, the previous occupant of the office dies on January 21 two years in, AND you can swing being re-elected twice.
If you think that's bad, due to SEC regulations publicly traded corporations in the United States have a 3 month horizon on action. If it takes 4 months to do, and the action is experimental, and fails to show a profit in two quarters, it gets Zero Budget.
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Depends on how the hybrid is done. The best way, is an electric drive train, with a small gas generator.
Having said that, to meet the Paris Accords, we need 99% of new cars sold in 2030 to be 100% electric. We're supposed to be at NO new internal combustion engines by 2035; if we don't get moving towards that goal one heck of a lot faster (and that includes the 2kw motors you're going to need to replace some industrial equipment) we ain't going to get there.
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Hybrid was the standard engine on my trim level. It actually cost more to get a gas only engine in that trim.
A planetary power split 'transmission' is dead simple, there is no shifting, no clutches to wear, and no torque converter. The complexity of an automatic tra
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It's the worst of all worlds: all the lessened range with twice more components to fail, with a higher price.
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How exactly do hybrids have a lessened range? Do they weld the gas cap on at the factory or are you still able to fill them with gas? If anything hybrids will give you the best range since you can run on electricity once the gas runs out. Sure this won't give you a ton of extra miles but may be enough to get you to a gas station so you can fill up and be on your way again in just a few minutes.
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Veggies gotta veg.
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Who said this? Biden or Trump?
“Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor
and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good
genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton
School of Finance, very good, very smart —you know, if
you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if,
like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m
one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s
true!—but when you’re a conservative Republic
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President Trump, of course -- his rambling stream-of-consciousness sales pitch speech is his trademark.
President Biden, however, has his own verbal tics.
People consider him an improvement? Trump Lite. Everything you ever wanted from a president -- and less!