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Valve is Working With AMD To Make the Steam Deck Windows 11-Ready (theverge.com) 76

Posted by msmash from the up-next dept.
Valve is aiming to make its Steam Deck handheld gaming PC ready for Windows 11. From a report: While we've known for weeks that the Steam Deck can run Windows, it wasn't clear how well this would be supported by Valve, or whether an option for a Trusted Platform Modules (TPM) would be enabled to get Windows 11 on the Steam Deck. Now, Valve has confirmed it has been heavily focused on Windows support.

"There's work looking at TPM just now," says Greg Coomer, a Valve Steam Deck designer, in an interview with PC Gamer. "We've focused so much on Windows 10, so far, that we haven't really gotten that far into it. Our expectation is that we can meet that." Valve is working with AMD to make sure that TPM is supported at a BIOS level, and that the Steam Deck is ready for Windows 11. "So there's nothing to indicate to us yet that there'll be any issues with Windows 11," explains Coomer.
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  • Should be focusing on being a Windows alternative (Score:4, Insightful)

    by xack ( 5304745 ) on Monday August 09, 2021 @11:26AM (#61672501)
    Valve has a huge opportunity to exploit the outrage for Windows 11 and market the deck as “as play all your games without being locked to Windows”. We’ve been waiting for the Windows monopoly to be cracked for 30 years, don’t miss this chance.

    • Re:Should be focusing on being a Windows alternati (Score:5, Insightful)

      by nightflameauto ( 6607976 ) on Monday August 09, 2021 @11:45AM (#61672571)

      Outrage?

      Sure, there's an undercurrent of resentment developing in the tech crowd over Windows 11's "requirements." But even among the tech crowd it's a smattering of muttered, "figures," and a few slightly angry, "why are we letting this happen," statements. Non-tech people? They'll try to install it, see it fails, then either grab a new system of revert. If it leaves them with a bricked system, they'll buy a new one and shrug it off as necessary expense.

      We're too far gone to have anything resembling general outrage towards anything Microsoft (or Apple for that matter) might do when it comes to OS lock in and forced hardware upgrades. It's just accepted and grumbled about.

    • If you are already gaming on Windows 10 I'm not sure what about Windows 11 is going to cause outrage.

    • Re:Should be focusing on being a Windows alternati (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Monday August 09, 2021 @12:07PM (#61672637)

      What outrage, a handful of angry people who probably already run Linux or Macs anyways?

      Or those people who say how each version of Windows Sucks so bad, until Microsoft Retires it, and they were like, this was such a great OS, why would they retire it!

      We had been lucky with Windows 10 where it supports hardware that is nearly 20 years old by now.
      That would be like Windows XP being able to run on a 386 PC.

      Now Checking Windows 11 supported CPU, it seem that it seems to be supporting computers 3 years old or newer. (that does seem extreme to me, however it it will normally fall with most companies PC upgrade cycle)

      People who really want Windows 11, probably are more up to date anyways, with the features in gaming, often has people with much more powerful and beefy systems.

    • Re:Should be focusing on being a Windows alternati (Score:4, Informative)

      by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Monday August 09, 2021 @12:11PM (#61672661)
      The outrage stems at MS for poor handling and communication about what is and is not compatible for Windows 11. And for arbitrary reasons. For example, first generation Ryzen (2017) was not compatible according to MS tool. Later MS said that they could be compatible. MS gave no clear reason why as some of the older processors are powerful enough and meet all other criteria.
    • Yes, they do have a huge opportunity but not to exploit outrage so much as provide an alternative to both Windows and closed devices such as the Switch. If this thing takes off with Steam OS as the default and no Windows alternative, it could really change things. I guess to Valve, this is a huge gamble, and having Windows support on this device is hedging their bets.

    • Yep, Valve's past failures to bring gaming to linux has only failed due to horrible hardware and horrible software. This time their horrible software might actually work since they got a special deal on hardware, or not.

      • It doesn't feel like a failure to me, seeing as how I have a large library of steam games that I am playing on Ubuntu. And the sale prices were very reasonable, too.

    • Who's outraged? The world isn't populated with rando *nix jihadists from Slashdot and HardOCP

    • Valve are a bunch of losers. They had ample opportunity to make and sell their own console and failed utterly.

      Now they have to compete with Steam vs other stores like the Chinese Tencent cash funded Epic Game Store.

    • why? so they can fail like their other attempts? This is one of the few smart things Valve is doing with the Steam Deck, if it is to survive it needs to be mainstream NOT an alternative.

    • Valve has a huge opportunity to exploit the outrage for Windows 11 and market the deck as “as play all your games without being locked to Windows”.

      Do you honestly think gamers care? I pretty much only use Windows for gaming and really it makes no difference to me. I boot it up, open up the game I want to play and that's it, there's no interaction with the OS at all. What difference does it make to gamers whether the game is running on Windows, Linux or macOS? Much like nobody cares what OS is running on the Playstation, I think it's some BSD derivative but what does it matter?

      • What difference does it make to gamers whether the game is running on Windows, Linux or macOS?

        It does make a difference. Linux is noticeably more stable. Ever noticed how much time Dota2 players spend rebooting because Windows networking suddenly went to crap? And say goodbye to surprise reboots in the middle of a game. Plus system upgrades without rebooting... can this really be true? But it is true.

        • It does make a difference. Linux is noticeably more stable.

          Can't say I've experienced much in the way of instability on any of the 3 platforms, when I've been playing Steam games on Linux it's no different to Windows or macOS for that matter.

          Ever noticed how much time Dota2 players spend rebooting because Windows networking suddenly went to crap?

          "Went to crap"?, but no, I don't play Dota2 though if it's specific to that game then perhaps it's an issue with that game.

          • Can't say I've experienced much in the way of instability on any of the 3 platforms

            I sure notice. I have the misfortune to spend quite some time in Windows 10 the last few weeks and I already had one surprise reboot, plus lots of WTF little glitches. And laptop fan keeps coming on even when the machine supposedly isn't doing anything. If you're not really used to something better then maybe you dismiss such annoyances as life as usual.

            • If you're not really used to something better then maybe you dismiss such annoyances as life as usual.

              If my system were randomly rebooting I'd certainly know about it. Aside from the GPU my system is liquid cooled so it's pretty much silent anyway except when the GPU is under heavy load.

              Like I said, I've not experienced differences in stabilty between Windows, macOS or Linux. But on the other hand I use pretty decent newish hardware (for Windows and Linux, my mac is an older 2018 with a 6800XT in an eGPU enclosure) so maybe that's a factor.

              • If my system were randomly rebooting I'd certainly know about it.

                Wasn't my imagination. Happened right in the middle of a conference call.

                • You were using my system for a conference call? I'm not saying you haven't experienced such a thing, I'm saying I haven't. But hey, all the more reason you shouldn't use Windows for mission-critical things.

              • Don't believe me, believe Microsoft. [windowslatest.com] If they patched up one you can be sure there are a dozen others. Old school Windows experience, nothing changed. Lucky you for not getting bitten (yet).

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by leonbev ( 111395 )

      Yeah, I pre-ordered the Steam Deck because I wanted to support Steam OS and Proton, as they're going to help us break PC gaming's dependence on Windows.

      Putting Windows 11 on this thing would be a huge step backward in that effort.

    • More realistically, I was hoping that this was the way to trojan Linux into people's consciousness. The non-Linux nerds will get the Steam Deck because it's a sweet portable device that plays all their games, they don't care that it runs Linux. Hopefully after having a pleasurable experience with the Steam Deck, they'll realize they can play all their games on Linux and might consider it for their next computer when it's time to upgrade.

  • Defeat the purpose? (Score:3)

    by systemd-anonymousd ( 6652324 ) on Monday August 09, 2021 @12:55PM (#61672825)

    "Our system runs every Windows game on Linux perfectly. But we're making it work with Windows." Why? Why waste the manhours?

    • It looks like their system does not [protondb.com] run every Windows game on Linux perfectly. Unless they have a new version of proton up their sleeve or something.

    • They are selling it as an open system so they want to be able to claim w11 support.

      • That's part of it. Mainly they want Windows migrants to feel warm and fuzzy about it even if they never bother to install Windows. It's enough to know they could if they wanted to.

    • It's merely a way to reassure the potential buyer that if SteamOS somehow doesn't work out for them then they have the fallback of converting it to a Windows device. Never mind that very few actually will, it's just the thought that counts.

      I presume the required effort isn't terribly much, otherwise right, why bother.

    • "Our system runs every Windows game on Linux perfectly. But we're making it work with Windows." Why? Why waste the manhours?

      Because you misquoted them:
      " With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux! [protondb.com] "

  • This is not news... any recent AMD APU has fTPM that is compatible with windows 11 and doesn't require anyone to do anything to enable other than implement the UEFI configuration pages for the firmware module.

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