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Peter Thiel Claims Zuckerberg Agreed To Push 'State-Sanctioned Conservatism' Under Trump Deal (thedailybeast.com) 133

ytene writes: Danika Fears over at The Daily Beast carries some pretty explosive reporting, describing how Peter Thiel -- of Palantir infamy -- claims in a new biography by Max Chafkin that Mark Zuckerberg agreed to push "State-Sanctioned Conservatism" in return for the Trump administration steering clear of any "heavy-handed regulations." This could well be one of those situations where it doesn't matter if the core claim is true or false -- because either way this is going to get ugly. The claims were made in the book "The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley's Pursuit of Power." Zuckerberg denied the existence of a deal, saying that was "pretty ridiculous."
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Peter Thiel Claims Zuckerberg Agreed To Push 'State-Sanctioned Conservatism' Under Trump Deal

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  • by marcle ( 1575627 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:22PM (#61815441)

    Too good to be not true. It has the ring of truthiness.

    • Re:Delicious (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Moryath ( 553296 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:29PM (#61815633)
      The evidence says: IT'S TRUE [techdirt.com]. Actual evidence that is.
      • I would say that often happens the other way too, there have been many cases of people who claim to be liberal threatening violence or doxing people, or other things that should get them banned, but they don't. It is selective amnesia, forgetting when it happens the other way.

        If that Tech Dirt article is speaking about the latest thing (before this one) about Facebook, there were many people on both sides that were protected, not just the conservatives.

  • Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg agreed to not fact-check political posts if the Trump administration would steer clear of any âoeheavy-handed regulations,â

    These are the two ends of the same stick. If the government forces social media to fact check everything everybody says on them, then would necessarily include those users who are politicians.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:36PM (#61815489)
    Trump would ask for. And on the other hand Facebook has a pretty well documented right wing bias. Partially because the sort of thing that drives Doom scrolling doesn't work as well with left wingers because we tend to debunk it before I can go viral, and partially because Zuckerberg is himself well known to be pretty right wing.

    But I seriously question whether this is true for the simple reason that there wouldn't be any need for Zuckerberg to agree to anything like this. Then again if Trump asked you might have just said yes and kept doing what he was already doing. That would more or less be indistinguishable. I mean, even before Trump the top posts were almost entirely from right wing political pundits. Given the popularity of celebrities I find it seriously hard to believe that was an accident.
    • Facebook has a right wing bias?

      Facebook is headquartered in the Bay Area and staffed by young techies in the Bay Area. Would you care to enlighten us as to how they'd dig up the people (coders, scientists, lawyers, PR people) to run their system in that talent pool who happen to all be rabid righties and somehow hide it from the world?

      If they were run out of Idaho or Florida or Tennessee it would be plausible. But SF? Come on.

      As for lefties not falling for emotional rage bait? Of course not. The riots last

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by quantaman ( 517394 )

        Facebook has a right wing bias?

        Facebook is headquartered in the Bay Area and staffed by young techies in the Bay Area. Would you care to enlighten us as to how they'd dig up the people (coders, scientists, lawyers, PR people) to run their system in that talent pool who happen to all be rabid righties and somehow hide it from the world?

        If they were run out of Idaho or Florida or Tennessee it would be plausible. But SF? Come on.

        As for lefties not falling for emotional rage bait? Of course not. The riots last summer were totally false flags. No one tried to tear down statues or torch cop cars or ignite a Marxist revolution. And it totally didn't spread over Facebook. Just move along folks.

        The employees skew left, but the conspiracy theories skew right.

        • Doom scrolling conservatives and conspiracy theorists keep eyeballs on teh FaceBooks. That's what the algorithms like and it's why Zucky Ducky agreed to push propaganda.

          I mean, the boy went to Harvard. He's as mercenary as their crimson banner.
      • Facebook has a right wing bias [independent.co.uk]

        That was on the 1st page google results for "facebook right wing bias". To be fair I think it was the 5th or 6th link down. You should expand your media diet. That's why I link to fark.com/politics in my sig.
      • by cusco ( 717999 )

        It doesn't matter how the guys in the trenches lean, management of pretty much every highly profitable corporation is conservative (at least our modern definition of "conservative", which doesn't actually conserve anything but is political-speak for "greedy manipulative self-centered power-hungry assholes). Do you think anyone in the E-suites at Farcebook got their position because they worked to make the company a better social citizen? No, they got there by bringing in money, and the fastest and most ef

        • I've been told by all sorts of people that it's the cultural/social left that's got the money now. The political donations of Wall Street and Silicon Valley flow to the Democrats by a wide margin and the counties that vote left also earn big on a per capita basis.

          Democrats are the party of the rich now, cupcake. Whether you define Democrats as rightwing extremists or not says less about the supposed rightwing hold on the C suite and more about how much of a communist you personally are.

    • by Frank Burly ( 4247955 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:09PM (#61815559)

      I have no idea whether it happened. But Peter Theil is less ethical, and probably smarter and more conservative than either of the people he is talking about. He must have his own angle in telling this.

      • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:20PM (#61815593)
        he's a radical. He's just radical on the right wing. A conservative wants to keep things steady. If you want a good explanation of the difference look here [youtube.com].
        • A conservative wants to keep things the same because they think things are working well
          A liberal wants to change things to improve things they think aren't working/aren't working as well as they could

          At their very root, these are the two perspectives, which is often why the younger are liberal and the older are conservative (generally, not always of course).

          • At their very root, these are the two perspectives, which is often why the younger are liberal and the older are conservative (generally, not always of course).

            Also why rich people tend to be conservative and want to hold on to the social structure that keeps them there.

            It's amazing how so many nerds have fallen for the newspeak meaning of conservative that is about "freedom".

      • Zuckerfuck is pretty damn conservative.
        Theil... I don't really know that he is. I'm pretty sure he'd ally himself with Stalin or Hitler without batting an eye. If the dude had real political power, I'd honestly be afraid of him.
    • Zuckerberg is himself well known to be pretty right wing.

      "Libertarian" is a better description. Most conservatives are into enforcing or encouraging evangelical doctrine through law. Zuck doesn't give a fudge about their "bedroom issues" doctrine, he just wants the freedom to make money and expand. If his customers are LGBTQ or screw goats, he doesn't care. (I'm not making a connection between those.)

      • I would say he is left libertarian as well, since libertarian is orthogonal to right or left, and is more anti-authoritarian, which unfortunately both parties practice,

    • by ljw1004 ( 764174 )

      And on the other hand Facebook has a pretty well documented right wing bias. Partially because the sort of thing that drives Doom scrolling doesn't work as well with left wingers because we tend to debunk it before I can go viral, and partially because Zuckerberg is himself well known to be pretty right wing.

      Reality has a left-wing bias, and clickbait has a right-wing bias?

      • I would say people who are left wing "think" reality has a left wing bias. Really, nature abhors change, so I would say reality is pretty damn conservative. :)

    • Trump would ask for. And on the other hand Facebook has a pretty well documented right wing bias.

      So right wing in fact, that Trump is banned from Facebook... which invalidates any notion of them leaning right wing in any way whatsoever.

      • by notsouseful ( 6407080 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:34PM (#61816147)

        So right wing in fact, that Trump is banned from Facebook... which invalidates any notion of them leaning right wing in any way whatsoever.

        People pee in pools, but as soon as one poops there's too much of a problem to ignore.

      • So right wing in fact, that Trump is banned from Facebook... which invalidates any notion of them leaning right wing in any way whatsoever.

        This is like saying racism in our country is invalidated because Obama. Uh... birtherism?

        What the other dude said... Facebook was fine with everyone pissing in the pool, Trump took a dump in it, or do you not remember why he was banned, on January 7th?

        Recommendation algorithms can create echo chambers of idiocy. Facebook's are doing exactly what newspaper headlines and talk show hosts have always done, say shocking things because it drives engagement. Toss in user generated content and fully automate the

    • the context is one where after Trump's election the democratic/liberal/social media giants went all in on politicization of social media, and anti-censorship positions overlapped with rightwing positions. In that context it was not extraordinary that Trump tried to find allies in Facebook.

      The political pressure on Facebook is too high for the alliance to be meaningful i think. They have a business to run so every powerplayer who wants to censor or promote something gets their control panel.

    • I think left wingers are pretty able to doom scroll in their own way.

      I see the usual urban progressives do their own version over police reform and housing. It starts out with calls for police reform, and it boils over as defund the police. Housing starts out as ways to increase housing volume and ends up with calls for rent control and socializing housing.

      My own city has two of these referendums on the ballot this fall. A supposedly neutral change in police staffing which is really a disingenuous path t

    • Trump would ask for. And on the other hand Facebook has a pretty well documented right wing bias. Partially because the sort of thing that drives Doom scrolling doesn't work as well with left wingers because we tend to debunk it before I can go viral, and partially because Zuckerberg is himself well known to be pretty right wing.

      Pretty much every word of what you just wrote is insane. I mean literally detached from reality.

  • Seems true to me (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bubblyceiling ( 7940768 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:56PM (#61815517)
    Considering the amount of hate & misinformation that FB has been allowing on it's platform over the last 5 years, this sounds perfectly plausible
  • You're a liar and a thief
    No, you're a liar and a thief
    No, you're a liar and a thief
    No, you're a liar and a thief
    Well, if we are both liars and thieves, who is left?
    Who is left?
    Who can we trust?
  • by peterww ( 6558522 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:07PM (#61815551)

    One of the foremost runners for the Lex Luthor prize, who thinks freedom and democracy are incompatible, is apparently concerned about unfair use of freedom in a democracy.

    • who thinks freedom and democracy are incompatible,

      That's been a popular opinion in the last two years. Everyone is trying to censor someone else.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      Quite an odd fellow. He is gay but supports the party that would outlaw his lifestyle if given the chance.

  • what a pair (Score:4, Funny)

    by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:08PM (#61815555) Journal

    Are there two scummier people than Mark Zuckerberg and Peter Thiel? They look like something you'd see in a medical text on genital warts.

  • Seems dubious (Score:2, Informative)

    by quantaman ( 517394 )

    We can't see the original source (not released yet) but here's alternate reporting on the contents [theatlantic.com]:
    Seeking nonetheless to build a case for Thiel’s political salience, Chafkin takes a fateful turn. He tortures the evidence to make it scream louder. His first gambit is to amplify Thiel’s role at Facebook, whose failure to police fake news aided Trump’s 2016 victory. Citing unnamed critics of Facebook’s chief, Mark Zuckerberg, the author floats the theory that Thiel was behind the compa

  • wtf (Score:4, Insightful)

    by RegistrationIsDumb83 ( 6517138 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:18PM (#61815587)
    This could well be one of those situations where it doesn't matter if the core claim is true or false

    uh... what? It kinda matters a lot.

  • by BishopBerkeley ( 734647 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:23PM (#61815609) Journal

    Given that Facebook has been instrumental in amplifying "conservative" voices to create the illusion that they are vastly larger than the small minority "conservatives" actually comprise, this is an entirely credible claim. It is entirely consistent with Facebook's behavior.

    Add to the equation the fact that Zuckerberg is money grubbing scum with absolutely no scruples, just like Trump, and it becomes totally credible that the two would collaborate to rule the world.

    Facebook needs to be outlawed. It a business founded entirely on fraud.

    • by thomn8r ( 635504 )

      Add to the equation the fact that Zuckerberg is money grubbing scum with absolutely no scruples, just like Trump,

      Unlike Trump, Zuckerberg actually has money, and doesn't rely on perpetual grift to survive.

  • If you imagine these two being the people in a Saw movie where they are trapped in one of his games and only one of them may escape, what used to be a horror movie turns into a comedy.

  • Glad I left Facebook (Score:5, Interesting)

    by GlennC ( 96879 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:58PM (#61815707)

    I was feeling my sadness, pessimism, and frustration boil into anger, and I realized that I had been spending too much time on Facebook reading the ignorant ramblings of stupid people.

    It has only been about a month since I last went on Facebook, but I already feel more calm. I know that the stupid people are still out there doing and saying stupid things, but I have come to the realization that there is nothing I can do about it.

    Stupid people gonna stupid, but that doesn't mean that I have to be a witness to it.

    • by JBMcB ( 73720 )

      I was feeling my sadness, pessimism, and frustration boil into anger, and I realized that I had been spending too much time on Facebook reading the ignorant ramblings of stupid people.

      Is that Facebook's fault, or your fault for following stupid people?

      My Facebook consists of my close family, and a couple of tightly moderated groups about history and architecture. It's fine. Baby pictures and cool houses. I tell Facebook that's what I want to see and that's what I get.

      • by GlennC ( 96879 )

        Is that Facebook's fault, or your fault for following stupid people?

        I accept that most of it was my own fault. However, some of the "ignorant ramblings" were being forwarded to me by my own family.

        I was also a member of a couple of groups who were not as tightly moderated as they could have been.

        I'm looking at it in much the same way that a recovering alcoholic looks at booze; I'm not saying that you can't, but I am saying that I can't use Facebook.

        • by JBMcB ( 73720 )

          I'm looking at it in much the same way that a recovering alcoholic looks at booze; I'm not saying that you can't, but I am saying that I can't use Facebook.

          Fair enough. I see a lot of people complain about the content on Facebook. Facebook gives you what you ask it for. If you are getting garbage it's because that's what you are reacting to. I can see how someone would be hooked on what Facebook is feeding you - it's really good at that. Facebook keeps recommending other similar groups to me, but they are unmoderated, so no thank you.

          Maybe I'm somewhat desensitized as my first exposure to the internet was newsgroups, where you get absolutely everything anyone

        • by cusco ( 717999 )

          My cousin used to mass email anti-liberal conspiracy garbage to everyone in her contact list. I got in the habit of debunking each one with links to authoritative sources. After a while she apparently took me out of her contacts.

          • by ebvwfbw ( 864834 )

            My cousin used to mass email anti-liberal conspiracy garbage to everyone in her contact list. I got in the habit of debunking each one with links to authoritative sources. After a while she apparently took me out of her contacts.

            There is also the unfollow. Crazy leftist or right relative? Just unfollow.

            It's a great idea to do a yearly purge. Do you know this person? Were you friends when you were young? If not - Purge!
            Linked in I'm very selective. I get invitations all the time. I have to have a good reason to add someone.

    • You quit facebook? How do you keep track of who and what is supposed to be causing you to feel outraged every day? I want to delete social media from my life but I am afraid I won't be well informed about all the latest outrageous acts of famous people.

    • I was feeling my sadness, pessimism, and frustration boil into anger, and I realized that I had been spending too much time on Facebook reading the ignorant ramblings of stupid people.

      I've actually had the opposite problem. I found that most of my friends are intelligent and thoughtful people. I had to expand my circle until I found a nut job. I keep that person on my friend list for reference purposes. Otherwise I would live in a bubble of intelligent conversation, or none at all. [twitter.com]

  • that Mark Zuckerberg agreed to push "State-Sanctioned Conservatism" in return for the Trump administration steering clear of any "heavy-handed regulations."

    As opposed to censoring "harrassment" from political opponents, in exchange for not having section 230 deleted, costing hundreds of billions in stock valuation.

    Anyone learning yet? This is why politicians go into power. It is not an unfortunate aberration or side effect.

  • So used to seeing bullshit come from conservative news sources, good to see there's some semblance of balance with places like The Daily Beast pumping liberal-leaning bullshit too. I'm all for equal representation.
  • Thiel, Zuckerberg, and The DailyBeast all in one article? All they need to do is have the story picked up by CNN, FOX, or a chinese state media affiliate and we'll have created a bullshit singularity.
  • It makes no sense.
    Facebook has been using the ban hammer on any post that even looks Right while allowing so many Lefts they are going in circles. br
  • Most social media companies seem rather hostile to conservatism in general.

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