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Ford Recalls Mustang Mach-Es Over Risk of Glass Roof Flying Off (electrek.co) 52

Posted by BeauHD from the not-in-a-good-way dept.
Ford has issued a recall of 5,000 Mustang Mach-E electric SUVs in Canada over a risk of the glass roof and windshield potentially coming loose and falling off. Ironically, the automaker mocked Tesla for the same problem just a year ago. Electrek reports: The automaker just issued two recalls in Canada, and one of them is specifically about the risk of the glass roof coming off: "On certain vehicles, the glass panel of the panoramic sunroof may not be properly attached. Over time, the glass could become loose and separate from the vehicle."

Ford says that it affects 1,812 2021 Mustang Mach-E vehicles in Canada. On another 3,178 Mach-Es, Ford says that there's a similar problem that could result in the windshield coming off: "On certain vehicles, the windshield may not be properly attached. As a result, the glass can become loose and could separate from the vehicle in a crash." In both cases, Ford plans to notify the affected owners, check the roof and windshield, and reassemble them with more adhesive if needed. For now, it looks like the recalls are limited to Canadian Mach-Es, even though Ford produces all its electric SUVs at the same factory in Mexico.
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  • Everyone is using some type of adhesive now to hold the sunroofs on. I had a sunroof fly off on my week old Civic back in 2017. I know, anecdotal, but automakers follow trends so it wouldn't surprise me if this just how cars are put together now.

    • Re: Not Just Tesla and Ford (Score:4, Interesting)

      by saloomy ( 2817221 ) on Monday September 27, 2021 @10:09PM (#61839753)
      It sucks when you mock someone for similar mistakes. Ford rode a misconception for PR purposes. There is a saying about glass houses that come to mind. Anyhow, the incidents of issues are relatively low, and recalls help address them. Good on Ford for the recall. However, adhesives work. There are advantages to not putting a bold through a piece of glass, like integrity and strength of the pane of glass.

      • Most of the time when a bolt is involved with glass, it's glued to the glass with something. But an adhesive is still used, so the bolt is mostly just there to hold the glass in place while the adhesive dries. It's usually a urethane.

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        The trend towards glass roofs in cars has some major disadvantages. It lets heat in from the sun, and doesn't provide shade for the passengers. So now you need a separate shade that you can remove to admire the grey skies and rain in winter.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by hey! ( 33014 )

          There's a trope in WW2 movies where the Germans punish the POWs by throwing them into "the hole" -- a small cell with small windows. A car is basically an even *smaller* cell, especially in situations where the car's movement is restricted.

          Like everything else, peoples' reactions to that varies. Some people are actually claustrophiles, like Isaac Asimov whose claustrophilia inspired him to write caves of steel. But some normal people toward the other end of the spectrum are stressed by confinement. I've

        • It doesn't really work that way. On the Model Y the cabin stays cool and comfortable even when it is so hot outside that touching the glass roof is painful. The tint is so heavy you do not generally feel radiant heat from the sun any more than a metal roof.

          The bigger issue on hot days is that the black metal door handles can get too hot to touch.

      • Beyond normal competition, Tesla is a massive FUD target for the likes of GM and Ford in general.
        1. Tesla doesn't do traditional advertisements. This means for all the News and Reporting media sources that makes money from Advertisements from these car companies, have no real insensitive to walk around Tesla's problems. While the problems of GM and Ford they need to word much more carefully as to not bite the hand that feeds it.

        2. Tesla isn't a Detroit, Car company. This means Tesla is being treated like

    • If they use adhesives, what happens 30+ years down the road? Use rivets or lots of bolts.

      • Re:Glue is temporal (Score:4, Insightful)

        by BoB235423424 ( 6928344 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @03:24AM (#61840247)

        How do you think the windshield on every car for the past few decades has been attached? It's all adhesive and seals. It's proven technology. It just requires proper application. Chemical bonds can be stronger and longer lasting than mechanical fasteners.

        This issue could be very well to the equivalent of not correctly torquing down bolts, using too small a spec of bolts, or even only using 1/3 of the needed number of bolts.

        • Re: (Score:3)

          by Rei ( 128717 )

          My understanding is that it's often excessive delay in placing the glass piece or too quick of setting in the adhesive. You get a result that seems to tack properly, but it's not a durable tack.

          And yeah, it is funny how Ford was trolling Tesla over a very small number of lost pieces of glass on early Model Ys [benzinga.com], and now they're having to recall thousands. I just don't get Ford's trolling strategy. Their director of product communications, Mark Levine, spends half his time on Twitter trolling Tesla. It's such

          • Re:Glue is temporal (Score:4, Funny)

            by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @06:09AM (#61840499) Homepage Journal

            I don't get it - just let your vehicles speak for themselves.

            This is Ford we're talking about, that's not an option. It's not like they're Honda.

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by Rei ( 128717 )

              Yeah, I used to own a Ford Ranger, I get that ;) Every trip to the highlands resulted in a mind-boggling repair bill on return.

              But companies can change for the better. And I hope Ford will.

              • My current daily is a 2006 F150 XL SC LB 5.4 with max tow pkg, and the prior owner just refreshed the timing stuff including the cam phasers. Got it right before the auto shortage hit. It's got almost 200k on it and it's still strong and the 4WD works. But lots of squeaks and rattles... This is my third Ford, hopefully this time is the charm. (My first ford actually never gave me a lick of trouble, '85 T-Bird with 3.8)

          • It can be the paint too, if the paint doesn't (yet) have a good bond with the car before the glue is applied the paint will simply pull off.

          • If theer's one thing the last four years have taught me, it's that if someone is consistently trolling someone else, they just *might* be projecting their own shortcomings instead. Ford's historical reliability hasn't been that great, e.g., compare Toyota's reliability for their truck lines.

        • Re: (Score:1)

          by Tablizer ( 95088 )

          How do you think the windshield on every car for the past few decades has been attached?

          I thought it was similar to melted plastic: they'd heat it, put the glass in place, and then let it cool to form a kind of plastic-ish clamp around most the edge. But, once in a blue moon, I'm wrong. Okay, twice.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by ghoul ( 157158 )
        As opposed to the spiritual nature of iron?

    • Not the same thing. Telsa and Ford it was the actual roof of the car, not the sunroof. The difference being that the roof should not have any meaningful force plying it away from the body. Quite unlike a sunroof, especially when its open.

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  • Mustang! (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Ford Mustangs! So goddam fast it literally flies apart.

  • Arghh ... (Score:3)

    by psergiu ( 67614 ) on Monday September 27, 2021 @09:57PM (#61839737)

    Gosh Darn Elon Musk ! It's all his fault !
    He put sunroofs on those Teslas of his so he forced Ford's hand to follow.
    Short $TSLA NOW !

  • I guess it's true what they say; people with glass roofs shouldn't throw stones.

    Also why is this recall only happening in Canada?

    • It's not. They're recalled in the US too.

      • When people say not to read the story, they don't mean to guess what it says, they mean to talk about something else. Like Fordlandia or whatever.

    • In Canada they recalled the glass roof models. In the US they recalled the sunroof models.

      Just kidding. They're really only recalling 5000 Canadian ones. They're all made in the same factory in Mexico, so it appears to have been a short term manufacturing issue that only affects certain lots.

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  • A few days late, a few dollars short (Score:4, Informative)

    by Rhys ( 96510 ) on Monday September 27, 2021 @10:11PM (#61839755)

    That the US Mach-Es are also recalled. Ref: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-glass-sealant-recall/

  • ...the glass ceiling is finally being broken

  • When all else fails, use more glue

  • In the end (Score:4, Funny)

    by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @06:06AM (#61840485)

    Does it [imgur.com] really matter [imgur.com] if the roof [imgur.com] comes off [imgur.com]?

  • That seems like something that quality control should have identified very early on. It just confirms what everyone should know already - never buy version 1.0 of anything, especially cars.
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      • Re: (Score:2)

        by DrXym ( 126579 )
        Almost every single brand new product goes out with flaws in it. Flaws caused by design, software bugs, suppliers, manufacturing, QC. Some flaws may not even be known until the vehicle is in production - issues with reliability, real world conditions that may only be revealed as cars are repaired or accidents are reported. Maybe the flaws are mostly minor - leaky trim, janky entertainment software. Things that can be remedied with a trip to the dealer or an OTA update. Or maybe they involve the top of your
    • Leasing seems like maybe a better idea when you're dealing with being an alpha tester.

  • should not throw stones, or shade. (:

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