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Google Cloud Will Now Show Its Users Their Carbon Footprint In the Cloud (techcrunch.com) 41

Google Cloud today announced a new (and free) feature that will provide its users with custom carbon footprint reports that detail the carbon emissions their cloud usage generates. TechCrunch reports: "Customers can leverage this data for reporting as well as internal audits and carbon reduction efforts. Build in collaboration with customers like HSBC, L'Oreal and Atos, our carbon footprint reporting introduces a new level of transparency to support customers in meeting their climate goals," said Jenn Bennett, who leads Google Cloud's data and technology strategy for sustainability in the Office of the CTO. "Customers can monitor their cloud emissions over time by project, by product and by region, empowering IT teams and developers with metrics that help them reduce their carbon footprint. Digital infrastructure emissions are really just one part of their environmental footprint, but accounting for carbon emissions is necessary to measure progress against the carbon reduction targets that they all have."

As Bennett noted, once a company has accurate reporting in place, providing recommendations for how to reduce their climate impact is a natural next step. Specifically, this means adding carbon estimates to Google Cloud's Unattended Project Recommender, which helps customers reduce their number of idling resources, and adding a sustainability impact category to its Active Assist Recommender.

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Google Cloud Will Now Show Its Users Their Carbon Footprint In the Cloud

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  • ...and I'm getting the high score.

  • The carbon footprint of a computer for a day is less than a steak meal for two. This is virtue signalling, nothing more.

    • by NFN_NLN ( 633283 )

      You can export your carbon foot-print data to BigQuery and run data mining against it --- a fool and his money are soon parted.

      https://cloud.google.com/carbo... [google.com]

    • by imidan ( 559239 )
      My read is that this is mostly targeted at large-scale users, such as big businesses who are offloading their IT to the cloud and also trying to manage some kind of carbon commitments. It's not for me with my $6.07 that I spend on cloud hosting each month.
    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      The carbon footprint of a computer for a day is less than a steak meal for two. This is virtue signalling, nothing more.

      The whole concept of carbon footprint itself is a bunch of greenwashing.

      First, it was created by BP to deflect attention away from the fossil fuel industry and onto "individual responsibility". More like "we'd love to go green, but you people refuse to give up your cars, so we're forced to keep pumping up dinosaurs to feed your habit, you evil evil consumer!".

      Because of course, the individ

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Some companies want this data because the contracts they are involved in consider their carbon footprint.

      There is consumer and government pressure to emit less CO2, so companies started to consider emissions when accepting bids for contracts.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    Google's spyware and ML models generating advertising profile on me is probably a significant percentage of my footprint.
  • by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @10:13PM (#61886423)

    Does the user's carbon footprint include using "the cloud" to check their carbon footprint? You know, the user's computer (sorry, I mean Google terminal), routers and servers required to deliver that information: that burns energy, and thus has a carbon footprint also.

    Using "the cloud" to do almost anything has an insane energy cost [chipkin.com]. This is yet another thing people could work out locally without the need for any cloudiness. But then of course Google wouldn't have yet another way to collect people's usage patterns and private data...

    • No, it is just the carbon footprint of their cloud hosting service for websites.

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  • So I have been bitching since I started my career about how inefficient ORM is. The same applies to node.js, Python, Ruby, Groovy, and any other overly-abstracted langauge. The response has typically been "STFU, we don't care. Our pages load in less than a second, so stop bringing this up." To be clear, ORM has it's place, but I am constantly getting on devs for loading a giant object tree into RAM, updating one field among 100 objects loaded into memory and then sending it back to JPA/Hibernate to exec
    • by imidan ( 559239 )

      I agree with your view on the incredible proliferation of frameworks (especially JS), but I want to talk more about your database comments.

      I feel like I keep seeing comments here and elsewhere about how people are interacting with relational databases today, and it seems crazy to me. I learned the object-relational model as a CS student, and of course I learned normalization, but I also learned how much normalization is appropriate and even when normalization might be a bad idea. I feel very comfortable wit

    • I also grew up when 32K was considered a lot, and yet somehow a couple of guys managed to write Elite. There comes a point though, surely, where the cost of optimising exceeds the cost of inefficiency. On the backend (which is where you're mostly focussed), I'd imagine this kicks in fairly quickly - typically the complexity is quite high, and testing is likely to be lengthy. Some of the examples you gave are pretty woeful, so I'd imagine not very expensive to fix and make a good saving, but (say) converting

      • Some of the examples you gave are pretty woeful, so I'd imagine not very expensive to fix and make a good saving, but (say) converting from Python to Go isn't a small undertaking, so raises questions about how much carbon (or money) it would really save.

        On the frontend though, if you can make your in-browser javascript run 10% quicker, then multiply that saving by however many users you have, and you're almost certainly saving a lot of money, carbon and time (even though you don't have to pay it all yourself). Here I'd say "frameworks" and sloppy coding are probably the worst for humanity as a whole.

        On the backend, some simple ways:

        1. For ORM Systems, write JPQL or SQL queries to update individual fields instead of loading the entire object into memory, updating a timestamp, and rebuilding the entire object tree in the DB (the JPA default).

        2. Index your fucking tables

        3. Take a step back from your data model and actually understand the problem you're solving and think about how it will be used. Boyce Codd normal form is a suggestion, not religious dogma. ORM is a tool, not a religion. Use it

    • Because I am a masochist, I bring up...well, if you're never going to use the pieces, why not just encode the entire object into a CLOB? Oracle can query it if you REALLY NEED to do some JSONPath queries or why not use Mongo or another non-relational DB that fits your business needs better...to which they smile and politely nod and never invite me to meetings again..

      Just curious - are you randomly bringing this up (hijacking the meeting) or is that the point of the meeting? Also, do you typically try to sell your points the way you are presenting it here?

      I've proposed cutting their electricity bill in half for an application because I've identified some really inefficient logic...their response? STFU, do your job and put out some more new features.

      Have you tried tying in the new features you were asked to do to those optimizations? Are you optimizations easy to do or would they require a complete rewrite (which may impact everyone else adding features) ?

      Just curious - I found your story interesting enough to have more questions :)

      In fairness, I am a paid profes

      • Because I am a masochist, I bring up...well, if you're never going to use the pieces, why not just encode the entire object into a CLOB? Oracle can query it if you REALLY NEED to do some JSONPath queries or why not use Mongo or another non-relational DB that fits your business needs better...to which they smile and politely nod and never invite me to meetings again..

        Just curious - are you randomly bringing this up (hijacking the meeting) or is that the point of the meeting? Also, do you typically try to sell your points the way you are presenting it here?

        I've proposed cutting their electricity bill in half for an application because I've identified some really inefficient logic...their response? STFU, do your job and put out some more new features.

        Have you tried tying in the new features you were asked to do to those optimizations? Are you optimizations easy to do or would they require a complete rewrite (which may impact everyone else adding features) ?

        Just curious - I found your story interesting enough to have more questions :)

        In fairness, I am a paid professional. It's reasonable to say "do what I want you to do, not what you think is best for my Cost of Goods and Services (COGS)." However, I've whined all my career about TANGIBLY bad code. If it's not slow enough to lose business, they'd rather just deploy 10x more servers than they need than fix shitty business logic.

        I personally bring up optimizations when they're designing the features. TMK, that's the best and most appropriate time. I am sure my sales tactics have room for improvement, but I don't think they're any worse than any other engineer. In general, people are worse with optimizing working applications than people with healthy teeth are with flossing. They know they SHOULD do it, but they're not fucking doing it until it's far too late.

        I like writing optimized, simple, and performant code. It is my c

  • You are THIS MUCH GUILTY OF KILLING THE WORLD!

    I don't get people who get off on this sort of masochistic mental masturbation.

    • by neaorin ( 982388 )
      It's about becoming carbon-neutral. Before you can improve something, you need to be able to measure it. Although if it's anything like Microsoft's similar dashboard [microsoft.com], I suspect its main purpose will be to build a case for moving to the cloud instead of using your own datacenters.
      • by Chas ( 5144 )

        That's great for people trying to do least-cost and maximum density.
        For those who require maximum performance, however, being one of hundreds of virtual machines crammed onto a single physical node and allotted just barely enough resources...

  • No way could Google ever know my carbon footprint. This seems to me as a way to reward vanity. Hey guys my carbon footprint is so low it is probably lower than yours. It is pure psych...propaganda... meant to make people think that they could do more.

    • My first though was that this was to encourage people to use the services more - to pump up the numbers shown. I know I would be doing that, but I can put stuff in my own computers, no need to to use someone else's.

  • Or just one of the users?
  • In a 2008 Google talk Alan Dershowitz [youtube.com] predicted that the attempt to censor free speech would not stay limited to Britain. He predicted that it would take hold in the US as well (for the 1st time in the US history). And his logic was simple. Free speech was always a right of the "wealthy" because it required ownership of expensive distribution equipment. So the rich would always have the means and the interest to defend it. But, because of Google, speech would become much more democratized. Google gave
  • Seriously, the concept was invented by British Petroleum in a campaign designed to deflect attention away from the polluters. If you see the term, know you're being manipulated.

    https://thred.com/change/how-t... [thred.com]

    • It doesn't matter how any term is invented. Words' meanings are tied to how they are used -- not how their inventors meant for them to be used.
  • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 ) on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @02:17AM (#61886803) Journal

    And what about the carbon foot-print of Google's no doubt gargantuan spying apparatus, how much is that?

  • energy for their data centers. Don't they invest in wind farms and solar projects and such? I guess just not enough.

    If google gets to 0 carbon energy for operations, then presumably the only remaining carbon footprint for cloud users is the network equipment and the embedded carbon in the manufacturing of the user's computer etc.
  • all the avoided realworld trips that users of your cloud-hosted service avoided by using an IT-based way of transacting their business or answering their question.

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