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US Telecoms Are Going To Start Physically Removing Huawei Gear (bloomberg.com) 59

All over the country, hardware from Huawei and ZTE keeps American telecom networks humming. In the coming months, many of those networks are going to start ripping it all out. From a report: On Friday, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission officially kicked off the reimbursement program for replacing equipment from the two Chinese companies, both of which have been deemed a threat to national security. That means that telecoms can apply for subsidies to purge the hardware from their networks. A lot has been made of the geopolitical connotations of the technology blacklist, which includes Huawei and ZTE, but the physical logistics of overhauling the nation's connectivity infrastructure is just as complicated given how much banned equipment is currently in the wild.

The process that started last week allows telecoms to file expenses for wiping out the hardware. Whenever those funds are approved and sent, "the clock starts ticking," says John Nettles, president of Alabama-based Pine Belt Communications Inc. "You're expected to complete it within one year after receiving your first reimbursement." For the target recipients of the program, small and usually rural carriers with no more than 10 million customers, that means 2022 is going to be an insanely busy year. Without expansive subsidies, these telecoms have said they would not have been able to afford to comply with the government mandate, but now with federal reimbursements, they'll soon be under the gun to source enough labor and eligible replacement gear to meet the FCC's deadline. Nettles estimates it'll likely take a four-person crew a week to overhaul each of his 67 towers.

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US Telecoms Are Going To Start Physically Removing Huawei Gear

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  • Resold on the open market? Scrapped? Given to Goodwill?

    If it's cheap enough I could see wanting one of these just to play with. Cheap enough being under $100.
    • by Scoth ( 879800 )

      If they're being pulled for security reasons you can bet they're going straight to scrap. If they really believe there's some kind of backdoor or data leak they wouldn't want them being on the used market either.

      Probably a few going to three-letter agencies for analysis too.

      • Sell to third-world countries. I'm sure they could appreciate cheap hardware with an open back door.

        • by jonwil ( 467024 )

          Sell it to countries where the US doesn't care one way or the other what China might do to those countries as far as spying goes.

    • Doesn't matter, US telecoms providers have got their taxpayer-funded handout, who cares what happens to the gear that's being replaced with US-made stuff the taxpayer is buying? Landfill, crush it, as long as it's gone.
  • You would figure this would be a hot topic... so far it looks like I'm first.

    But then again who wants to be recorded in either US or Chinese intelligence data?

    • It's a hard topic to say something rational about. Surely it is because of politics, but is it a good idea? A bad idea? How do you decide?

    • by pacinpm ( 631330 )

      Usually it's better to get recorded by foreign country than your own government. Your own government can legally kill you after all and is usually closer.

    • I'm not so much worried about the Chinese government as I am my own.

      • Depends on the scope of your worry. If it's entirely personal then China knowing what sort of porn you like or what shows you watch is irrelevant compared to your own government knowing details they might find repugnant. If it's something rational like your national economy and China has access to things like trade secrets that can have a potentially devastating effect on your economy then the question skews the other way.

        My short time in China taught me that intellectual property theft is a way of life the

  • by GameboyRMH ( 1153867 ) <gameboyrmh.gmail@com> on Monday November 01, 2021 @12:02PM (#61947621) Journal

    I don't like to make arguments from secret intelligence, but the willingness to spend so much money to remove Huawei gear suggests that they do have some secret proof that Huawei gear represents a unique threat (rather than just leaving in likely accidental backdoors like other telecoms equipment manufacturers). It doesn't really make sense to pay people to rip out old gear if the Huawei ban is simply part of a proxy trade war with China. Security researchers should see this as a good reason to start testing the hell out of this equipment to find out what the threat is and reveal it to the public.

  • Not so nice when someone else is peaking over your shoulder is it US? :D
  • Gonna sit back and watch as the ACs and brand new accounts weigh in.

  • and that's going to swell as all the smaller operations hit the order books.. cue the requests for extending deadlines....

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      On the plus side there will be loads of cheap used Huawei gear on eBay.

      Hoping some of it can have the OS replaced with pfSense or something. The only issue is that this carrier grade stuff trends to be loud. The fans run constantly at full speed. Can probably mod it.

      • by nbvb ( 32836 )

        Oh no, there won't be.

        This gear's going to be tracked and traced. The nice men in the 3-piece suits are going to be loading them into the Flowers By Irene van parked out front, and it'll never be seen again.

        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          And why should they do that? Because otherwise people could analyze it and find that all the claims of backdoors were lies?

  • by RogueWarrior65 ( 678876 ) on Monday November 01, 2021 @12:45PM (#61947871)

    It can't be very difficult for some company to do a deep forensic analysis of the hardware to find out what it's really doing and make the methods and results public so anyone can verify them.

  • Ofcourse.. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SuperDre ( 982372 ) on Monday November 01, 2021 @03:21PM (#61948635) Homepage
    And they'll be replaced with US hardware, to make it much easier for agencies like the NSA to hack the hardware, because Huawei hardware is too secure for US agencies to hack, that's why they started the whole campaign against Huawei hardware as till this day no evidence is presented that the Huawei hardware has a secret backdoor installed for the Chinese government to use, whereas US hardware have had enough evidence tgat they contained secret backdoors for US agencies.
    • The us government does targeted hacking, where they pick a target and then maybe alter the hardware on one device. They are really good at it. The CCP method is more like a fishing trawler. They suck ip everything and then sift.
      • You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Just look up Echelon for one. The US is also doing exactly the same as what you think the CCP does.

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