Israel Restricts Cyberweapons Export List By Two-thirds, From 102 To 37 Countries (therecord.media) 89
The Israeli government has restricted the list of countries to which local security firms are allowed to sell surveillance and offensive hacking tools by almost two-thirds, cutting the official cyber export list from 102 to 37 entries. From a report: The new list, obtained by Israeli business newspaper Calcalist earlier today, only includes countries with proven democracies, such as those from Europe and the Five Eyes coalition: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, India, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the Netherlands, the UK, and the US.
The list noticeably removes autocratic regimes, to which Israeli companies have often supplied surveillance tools. Spyware developed by Israeli companies like Candiru and the NSO Group has been linked in recent years to human rights abuses in tens of countries, with the tools being used by the local governments to spy on reporters, activists, dissidents, and political rivals.
The list noticeably removes autocratic regimes, to which Israeli companies have often supplied surveillance tools. Spyware developed by Israeli companies like Candiru and the NSO Group has been linked in recent years to human rights abuses in tens of countries, with the tools being used by the local governments to spy on reporters, activists, dissidents, and political rivals.
Free Occupied Palestine. (Score:1, Insightful)
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There's a big difference between expressing a negative opinion of Israeli government policies and being anti-Israel, which is of course a thinly veiled way of calling someone an anti-Semite. Stop projecting your own insecurities and prejudices onto others.
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This article has nothing to do with what you are talking about, the rule for you is if it is anti Israel, you will support it, plain and simple. I'd have to hear more from you to see if you are an antisemite, but your callous disregard of the term lets me form some initial opinion. This website is about tech. Stick to it, Stop with the anti Israel agitation.
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Please read the IHRA definition of antisemitism. Do not be obtuse and offensive toward Jewish people. You reject the very term of anti Jewish hatred.
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Did you hit your head, or are you drunk or something? Serious question.
A person makes a comment that is critical of a specific Israeli government policy. You then make an idiotic comment that the comment is somehow anti-Israel. I then point out there's a difference between Israeli government policies and the country/people who live there. Then we have you making a bunch of posts both as an AC and under your actual account, which brings us to now.
Was the initial comment off-topic for the story? Sure, but tha
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Yup, Modi is a gift to Pakistan. The sooner the Indians get rid of that zealot, the better off they'll be.
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Israel Requires 65 of 102 Countries to Buy Cyberweapons Through Middlemen.
This is just a PR response to the NSO problems, they'll still be available to anyone who wants them and then when all this has blown over it's back to business as usual, same as on previous occasions [reuters.com].
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This has been said many times, and it seems to still be true--If the Palestinians were to lay down their weapons there would be peace. If Israel were to lay down their weapons there would be genocide. What does that tell you about both sides?
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If the Palestinians laid down their weapons, Israel would continue the expansion of illegal settlements, further displacing them.
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While I agree, and don't suggest that it makes sense for the Palestinians to give up without a fight, Israel will also do that even if they don't lay down their weapons. This suggests that some other solution has to be found to this problem than weapons, even if giving them up makes no sense.
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There is a solution -- Kill em All and Let God sort it out. God (she is a black transvestite) loves to sort.
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The Palestinians did lay down their weapons. The West Bank is the quietest it has been for years, with almost no violence instigated by Palestinians. So far this century, Israel has called Palestinians refusing to buy Israeli goods "Economic Terrorism," BDS as "a new type of terrorism" and non-violent peace marches as simply "terrorism." The problem isn't Palestinian violence, it's Israeli violence.
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Yes they are, dammit! [reddit.com]
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Israel has nothing to do with Judaism, it is a Euro-Sparta state..
This is the classic folly of a militant-left Noam Chomsky apostle. Yes, we get it, you are antisemetic, but because you don't want to be associated with the right, you have to invent moral platitudes to justify your hate.
Israel is a major reason behind the radicalization of surrounding states.
Yet another classic myopic viewpoint of the militant-left. Israel is the reason radicalization hasn't grown more extreme. The root cause was the United State's war with the Soviet Union, but you seem to pick and choose the history that serves your narrative.
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Israel is a major reason behind the radicalization of surrounding states.
The main source of radical Islam is Saudia Arabia, which is not a neighbour. The main country ruled by radical Islamists is Afghanistan (again, 2nd round), quite a bit distant. There's also enough shit going down in places like Pakistan or Indonesia to make the claim questionable.
Israel's actions certainly don't help, that's for sure. But it seems quite clear that radicalization happens without them just as well.
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Israel did not found Hamas.
The source of this particular lie is probably that Israel did give financial aid to it at some point. Yizhak Rabin got it into his head that they will be a moderating influence against the PA, which shows a complete lack of understanding and very bad judgement. It's still not the same thing, however.
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You may want to look that up again.
I did. Same results. If you want to dispute that, please do cite your sources. Since you're claiming something did happen and I'm claiming it didn't, the burden of proof is on you anyways.
While you are at it, pick up ''Abu Nidal: A Gun For Hire' by Patrick Seale. It seems the Israelis have a standard playbook of infiltrating groups and radicalizing them so as to justify their eye-for-an-eyelash policies. Very standard stuff for Israel.
So many problems with that statement I'm not even sure where to start. I think it's best if we settle the first point about Hamas before we bring in more contested claims into the argument.
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They get to swipe land if they "do nice things" with it? WTF argument is that?
Under that logic, let Canada have Texas.
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They get to swipe land if they "do nice things" with it? WTF argument is that?
Under that logic, let Canada have Texas.
It was that logic that defended the original immigrant settlers "swiping" Tejas from Mexico.
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Yip, but two wrongs don't make a right. Palestinians have a right to be pissed. Most nations agreed on borders up to 1967, and then Israel swiped their land. If Israel claims it's "war gains", then other side won't agree the war is over.
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Yet Israel continues to illegally seize Palestinian land
No one can seize land that had no official owner or steward before their arrival.
The reality is that Israel:
Most screeching millennials don't remember this from their childhood, but the Israeli occupation of the Sinai Peninsula [wikipedia.org] is one of those examples. Through multiple rounds of coordinated attacks from Egypt and Syria, Israel managed to hold out. They only gave up the land for the sake of peace, and ever since then Egypt has used the southern border as a place to launch rockets into Israel. When your entire society has been hunted across the globe, it makes sense that you get sick of giving in.
Frankly, I think the world should thank their lucky stars Israel turned to using guilt to gain favor (see Yad Vashem [wikipedia.org]). It's only a matter of time until they get screwed again and capitalize on the society of warriors they have built. I've been around the middle east enough to say with all my heart, Syria would be better off under Israeli and western rule. I hope they expand.
I support Israel's right to exist, but this is truly borrowing from the Lebensraum pages, in great part by using technological contributions as some sort of rationalization (all the way to suggest making Syria the next Czechoslovakia.)
The issues involving Israel and Palestine are complex, and both parties (in addition to the Arab nations that sponsored previous wars against Israel) have a lot of blame to share. You aren't doing Israel any favors by spouting such mindless, self-righteous, supremacist dribb
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The issues involving Israel and Palestine are complex...
People keep saying this, usually in an effort to keep Israel from being criticised. The issue is really very simple. Isarel occupies the West Bank, transplants settlers there, and practices apartheid. Israel could pull out if it wished to - it has the most powerful military in the region, orders of magnitude bigger than all its neighbours combined - but it doesn't want to. Israel could indicate it wants peace by stopping settlements, but it just announced thousands more settlement houses will be built.
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People keep saying this, usually in an effort to keep Israel from being criticised.
And I squarely criticize Israel here. So if you are aiming this to me, then fuck off.
If the comment is done in general, then I agree with you.
It is true that people say such things to avoid criticism of Israel. But that in itself does not deny the fact that shit is complex, and that both sides have committed foul-ups, regardless of who started it.
You are absolutely right, Israel started as a land-grab, pure colonialism. It doesn't change the fact that, decades later, people have been born it (ergo,
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But that in itself does not deny the fact that shit is complex...
I'm still mystified where the complexity is. The problem is really simple. A state has invaded and and is occupying land and denying the residents of that area either their own state or Israeli citizenship, because of racism and greed. Where's the complexity?
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Most screeching millennials don't remember this from their childhood, but the Israeli occupation of the Sinai Peninsula [wikipedia.org] is one of those examples. Through multiple rounds of coordinated attacks from Egypt and Syria, Israel managed to hold out. They only gave up the land for the sake of peace, and ever since then Egypt has used the southern border as a place to launch rockets into Israel.
What? You obviously haven't even read your own link. Egypt has a peace treaty with Israel, the longest in the Middle East. Are you confusing Egypt with Gaza? Do you even know what you're talking about?
No, obviously youy don't, so let me inform you:
- Israel attacked Egypt in 1956, with the collusion of the UK and France, but decided not to annex the Sinai because of world opposition, especially the US: https://www.haaretz.com/israel... [haaretz.com].
- Israel attacked Egypt in 1967, with U
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When you say "Palestinian land", that would imply that there was a Palestinian nation (or Palestinian people) prior to the establishment of the State of Israel. There was not. Ever. Your propaganda is rubbish and devoid of historical merit.
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What you refer to as "Palestinian land" prior to the British Mandate was part of a larger Ottoman province of Southern Syria (whose capital was Damascus - not Jerusalem). Your "Palestine" consisted of the Ottoman sanjaks of Gaza, Nablus, Acre, and Safed for 400 year
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While the first three conventions dealt with combatants, the Fourth Geneva Convention was the first to deal with humanitarian protections for civilians in a war zone. There are currently 196 countries party to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, including this and the other three treaties.[1] [wikipedia.org]
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Not even a token muslim majority county in there. LOL. I mean, they could have wussied out and added Albania or Bosnia and Herzegovina or something if they didn't want to be in I don't give a fuck land.
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Bosnia is quite low on that democratic index:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Albania is a bit better.
But they are missing democracies such as Taiwan, Costa Rica, which both scores higher than Israel itself.
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Malaysia could have been on the list however.
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Malaysia could have been on the list however.
Malaysia is openly hostile towards Israel. In all Malaysian passports it is for example written that: "This passport is valid for all countries except Israel". And the two countries have no formal diplomatic relations. So, no it does not make sense for Israel to include Malaysia on the list.
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I was just saying that if the only criteria is being democratic, Malaysia would have been on it.
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It is India. India is in the list. Till recently it was THE LARGEST MUSLIM population in the world. Recently Indonesia's total population exceeded India's muslim population.
You want Israel to export weapons to countries that have avowed to erase Israel off the face of earth?
Anyway Muslim countries don't need any knowledge from Israel. They have Allah on their side and all the truth a human would need exists in the Q
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I never said I wanted them to do anything. I was making an observation, it was more for humor. Anyway, what's your point regarding India? If muslims are not in the majority in a democracy, they are not the ones making and ultimately enforcing the laws & policy of the country. In fact the current Indian government is governed by a fairly explicitly pro-hindu party.
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All its wealth was looted by the colonists, still it manages to maintain some form of democracy, peaceful transfer of power. The abject poverty patently visible for all to see and some form of democracy. Even
This is the official list (Score:2)
who they can in reality sell to -- who knows ?
Proven Democracy? (Score:3)
Doesn't that rule out the US? I'd say after Trump was elected, but definitely after the 2020 election where there were multiple concerted efforts to overturn the results and then there have been multiple ongoing efforts to undermine/infiltrate/co-opt key positions ahead of the next round of elections.
India doesn't seem like it belongs on the list either for the same basic reasons. Just s/Trump/Modi/
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Yeah, was odd seeing India when there is currently a scandal over NSO's Pegasus being found in opposition political leaders and journalists phones.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-new... [ndtv.com]
Doesn't sound like a proven current democracy to me. Maybe it was a proven democracy before the BJP got into power a few years ago.
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Could this be a response to The NSO Group and everything that surrounds them? Thoughts?
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Yep, I think they are feeling the heat and are in damage control.
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I certainly fucking hope so. And frankly that asshat that runs NSO should be prosecuted by the Israelis for the abject lies he's already promulgated in defense of his company and industry. "Law abiding citizens have nothing to be afraid of." He's likely enabled thousands---if not tens of thousands---of killings in the last ten years.
Get fucked, Shalev Hulio.
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It's a combination of two things, I think.
The first is precisely that. NSO group has been getting a lot of (justified) bad press lately, and being an export restricted company, the Israeli government has not been able to legitimately dodge the flak.
I'll be clear: the Israeli government gets a lot of crap for anything even tangenially related to Israel as a whole, justified or not. In this case, however, it is justified.
The other part is how those countries made their way into the allowed export list i
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Certainly - you can't have just anyone using cyberweapons to spy on journalists, politicians, activists and lawyers. Only authorised countries should be allowed to do that..
Desperation (Score:2)
It sounds like a desperate, last ditch attempt to save NSO Group's business model.
India is in. Pakistan and China out (Score:3)
Remove the Successes (Score:1)
So the "successful" authoritarian tyrants have been removed leaving only the "I wanna be" authoritarian tyrants with access to the CyberWeapons. As more and more of the "wanna be's" join the authoritarian tyranical dictator club, I assume they will be removed from the list as well?
I won't hold my breath ...
I think the weapons should be provided *only* to the "removed" tyrants and that the "wanna be's" should be prohibited. ...
What they have done is exactly backwards
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Note that Poland and Hungary isn't on the approved list.
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If this makes them better, then giving this tech to the listed countries makes them a worse place. It's just logical.
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Why would the better countries need to spy on their own people and not the bad ones?
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they wouldn't. this is all bullshit, so as to give the impression that israel isn't a prime abuser of human and political rights, model democracy and hi-tech military grade espionage be damned.
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We need a UN sanctioned regime change operation in Israel. For all the Humanitarian excuses used by the US and allies for past regime change operations it should be a shoe in for the UN Security Council to bring it about seeing what Israel has been doing since they invaded Palestine. ...oh wait.. the US and and allies have been vetoing every time anyone so much as sneezes in Israel's direction after their latest round of crimes against humanity.
Imagine if the Nazis had such influence in foreign governments