World Military Expenditure Passes $2 Trillion for First Time (sipri.org) 89
World military spending continued to grow in 2021, reaching an all-time high of $2.1 trillion. This was the seventh consecutive year that spending increased. From a report: "Even amid the economic fallout of the Covid-19 pandemic, world military spending hit record levels," said Dr Diego Lopes da Silva, Senior Researcher with SIPRI's Military Expenditure and Arms Production Programme. "There was a slowdown in the rate of real-terms growth due to inflation. In nominal terms, however, military spending grew by 6.1 per cent." As a result of a sharp economic recovery in 2021, the global military burden -- world military expenditure as a share of world gross domestic product (GDP) -- fell by 0.1 percentage points, from 2.3 per cent in 2020 to 2.2 per cent in 2021. US military spending amounted to $801 billion in 2021, a drop of 1.4 per cent from 2020. The US military burden decreased slightly from 3.7 per cent of GDP in 2020 to 3.5 per cent in 2021. US funding for military research and development rose by 24 per cent between 2012 and 2021, while arms procurement funding fell by 6.4 per cent over the same period. In 2021 spending on both decreased. However, the drop in R&D spending (-1.2 per cent) was smaller than that in arms procurement spending (-5.4 per cent).
What's the point of this posting? (Score:2, Insightful)
This article is pointless without context.
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This article is pointless without context.
What? The context is in the summary.
Are you hoping someone will draw you a diagram that explains the ramifications of increased military spending vis-a-vis AGW, or what?
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If you really wanna get people riled up call it the deep state :)
It wouldn't be entirely wrong, either, since corporations are clearly running things. The deep state is more or less real, but it's almost exactly the opposite of what the people who use that phrase think it is. It's not liberal, though it's not even exactly conservative. It's just about money, and it loves when those people worship the organizations that they not only profit from supplying, but also which exist largely to keep the same people
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deep state MIC. Sure.. they work together... but you can throw in a whole slew of other interests into the Deep State
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meh.. slashdot edited out the 'not equals' above.
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Corporations and the wealthy ARE the so-called deep state. Not figuratively, not kind of, but literally and completely. They write legislation, they provide the money that gets people elected to pass it, they spend the money lobbying necessary to get it passed, and they rotate people between government and corporate positions as necessary. The MIC is only the largest portion of this, as evinced by how much corporate welfare they get (in their case, mostly in the form of unnecessary military spending.) The M
Re:What's the point of this posting? (Score:5, Informative)
This article is pointless without context.
What context are you expecting?
TFA makes it clear the record nominal military spending is due to inflation, and there has been no real increase.
The gross world product is about $87 trillion, so the $2T in military spending is 2.3%.
Americal military spending is $800B, 40% of the total, a slight decrease when adjusted for inflation.
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Thats why ours is 40% of our GDP.
You likely mean 40% of discretionary budget , the US GDP is around $21T and we spend around 3.2% of that for defense.
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defend itself from batshit crazies like the Russian Federation or China.
China has no ability or reason to attack Europe.
Russia couldn't take Kiyv. They are no danger to Warsaw, much less the rest of Europe.
If there is one clear lesson from the Ukraine war, we WAY over-estimated Russian military capacity. Now that we know the truth, we can scale way back on military spending in Europe because we now know there is little threat.
Thats why ours is 40% of our GDP.
No. Ours is 40% of WORLD military spending. It is nowhere near 40% of America's GDP. It is about 3%.
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The point is to make you afraid.
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The point is to make you afraid.
Afraid of what exactly?
Preferably, nothing. Because if there's something to actually be afraid of, then there's a problem the powers that be need to solve. And that leaves less money for hookers and blow, and other graft and corruption.
So the idea situation is to create widespread fear over, literally, nothing. All the benefits in terms of increase power (and tax revenue) with no downside.
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The point is to make you afraid.
Afraid of what exactly?
It doesn't matter. People in fear look towards leaders, Americans in fear tend to vote for whoever is in power. This worked again and again.
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I am not afraid, but the situation is somewhat concerning.
Until now the world was getting more and more peaceful. It is now apparent there are a significant number of people who don't want that. And some of them have power.
Re: What's the point of this posting? (Score:2)
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Sad that poor people have to join the military in order to get an education
The don't unless they want to. 20 states have free community college programs and another 10 offer other college programs. Not to mention Pell Grants and other grants for people that need financial help. If you need training along with room, board, medical, etc there is also the Job Corps [jobcorps.gov] without the military commitment. Also, I consider a four year commitment in the military with 100% tuition coverage a respectable education choice. There are plenty of job placement opportunities for veterans.
sad that a lot of veterans will end up homeless and mentally ill
Yes, the
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$2T / 7B = $285 for every man, woman and child on this planet - including the large number that exist on less than a dollar a day.
Enough context?
Re: What's the point of this posting? (Score:2)
So... opposite? (Score:5, Interesting)
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So the headline appears to be opposite the point of the summary. Yes, it's hit $2T, but actual percent of GDP is down? So this is really just a story about inflation.
Tell us you didn't understand the summary (which explicitly addresses inflation) without telling us you didn't understand the summary
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Slashdot has always had this tendency, but it's become way worse under BX. Good times were had by all. Say, isn't it time for another story about cryptocurrency?
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Oh fucking shit that's hilarious.
I wrote my comment with the word "B i z X" (spaces removed) and it didn't pass the lameness filter.
They are literally trying to prohibit dissent on this site now.
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Have you seen the spam on this site when you browse without filters?
Yes.
On some articles, half of the comments are just spam about that company.
So what? I don't see most of them, because I don't browse without filters, except when I'm trying to find some comment that's been modded down unjustly.
If I were trying to setup a low-effort filter to get rid of some of the noise, I'd probably do something similar
Same if you were trying to get rid of some of the dissent against poor management.
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So the headline appears to be opposite the point of the summary.
No. The headline says "World Military Expenditure Passes $2 Trillion for First Time". The very first sentence of the summary says "World military spending continued to grow in 2021, reaching an all-time high of $2.1 trillion."
2.1 is greater than 2. The headline accurately states what's in the summary.
Yes, it's hit $2T, but actual percent of GDP is down?
Percent of GDP is a different measure which is also given in the summary. You can't write a headline which contains all the information in the article; that would require posting the article itself as a headli
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Is this inflation corrected?
If we're talking rhetorical questions, how about "did you read the summary?"
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Sure Ivan, we didn't start the war, you guys did. We're just going to give you one serious bashing to maybe, finally, teach you a lesson about playing nice with your neighbors.
Re: Not decreasing (Score:2)
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It's difficult to hear of something which never happened.
Since slashdot is seen as an influential site, it's certain there are going to be disinfo employees posting vapid narratives that ignore history.
Yes, yes you just did post disinfo. How's St. Petersburg?
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Specifically in Asia, other countries ramping up their own military spending could hardly replace the US's presence to any meaningful amount. Sure, Australia is a country more or less as wealthy as ours when looking at them in a per capita context, their population is less then 10% of ours though. This sub purchase is probably not indicative of more purchases to come, it's likely what they can afford right now. Most of the other countries in the region are pretty poor and if Japan couldnt get rid of the pac
Yay we spent money on "stuff" (Score:2)
We can get this from the GAO, why is it here?
War is just good for business (Score:2)
I read some time ago (even before the whole thing with Ukraine began) that military conflicts are just another financial instrument that public and private sector alike use to increase production of things of all sorts. Firstly, you've got all the spending for weapons. Then, you've got to rebuild what you turned into ruin. War is just overall good for business.
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They don't call it the Military Industrial Complex for nothing. 8^)
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Re: War is just good for business (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re: War is just good for business (Score:2)
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$2T, or 3/4 of an Apple (Score:2)
There's your IT context!
A trillion ain't what it used to be (Score:4, Informative)
In 1989, the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the end an important phase of the Cold War with the Soviet Union, our $2.113T today would have the equivalent spending power of $911B back then. In reality back in 1989 it was over $1.5T with the US's portion a massive $655B.
Weird! (Score:2)
It's almost like global military spending goes up when there is an active war of aggression going on between industrialized nations. Especially when other industrialized nations are backing the one getting invaded by buying and sending them shitloads of weapons.
Who would've thought?
Peace is our profession (Score:2)
Enough said
Inflation (Score:1)
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Careful... this response is leaning quite a bit towards the blanked statement that "they hate our freedom", which is reductionist to the point of being a straw man. It's the kind of thing American's like to say because declaring the other side to be (in effect) ridiculous absolves themselves of having to look inward.
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So you condemn blanket statements about Russians by making a blanket statement about Americans?
hypocrisy
noun
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
"his target was the hypocrisy of suburban life"
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Defining "hypocrisy" here only serves to fill in the narrative about who "you" are.
I should have said "some Americans". That's true. But it is a belief held by a significant number of Americans.
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But you didn't. You made a broad, sweeping statement about all Americans, same as what you condemned.
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Hence, "That's true." I agree it was a poor choice of words.
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Tu quoque fallacy- Appeal to hypocrisy
Tu quoque (Latin for “you also”), or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent’s argument by asserting the opponent’s failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s).
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If you condemn someone for doing something that you are doing in your condemnation then you are, by definition, wrong. Either you're wrong in condemning them, or you're wrong in doing what you rightly condemn them for doing.
Either way, your credibility is about the same as National Propaganda Radio or Faux News, or the Onion.
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An argument isn't about credibility. It's about points.
You need to take the L on this one. You're arguing for multiple logical fallacies now, and it's really bad.
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You didn't even try to refute the point:
Whether you're wrong in condemning someone else for something you're doing, or wrong in condemning them at all, you're still wrong.
Welcome to grown-up land, child. Now ask mommy for a cookie and some milk before beddy-by-time.
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You didn't even try to refute the point:
Of course I didn't, because it's not a logical point, it's a value judgement.
Whether you're wrong in condemning someone else for something you're doing, or wrong in condemning them at all, you're still wrong.
You can say that "they" are wrong (in some nondescript sense of wrong-ness) but that has nothing to do with the point they made.
I.e., if I argue that war is wrong for reason X, while fighting a war for reason X, that doesn't make my assertion incorrect. If you attempt to discredit my assertion based upon the fact that I'm a hypocrite, that just makes you the dimwit.
Welcome to grown-up land, child. Now ask mommy for a cookie and some milk before beddy-by-time.
Fascinating coming from the person with a grade-school understand
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"They" have not said: "They don't like democracy and freedom for other people because that could entice the Russian population to want it too and that would be bad for Putin and his cronies..."
That is a lie.
This isn't to justify the actual reasons for the conflict, but it means the person who called you out was correct to do so, because you're just parroting dumbfuck talking points.
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Fuck Putin. Fuck his war. And fuck you wastes of flesh using his tactics to sell your side of it.
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Go ahead and point out one single line of propaganda
Is that your argumentation tactic? To invent things and then use them as points? To accuse?
Come on. You're just a fucking bog-standard paid troll.
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First of all you call the 2014 insurrection for a "coup"
No.. I didn't.
I refer to it as the Maidan Revolution.
You also say it was against the Ukrainian government, when it was in fact an ousting of a Russian marionette dictator and not an actual government, again directly copied from Russian propaganda.
Now this is just bullshit.
It was a revolution against a legitimate government. Sure, that government was Russia-backed, but trying to pretend like it wasn't legitimate is just more stupid fucking bullshit coming from you.
You are so fucking steeped in your delusions that you can't even respond to things I actually said, you just make shit up and argue against it. It's fucking fascinating. They don't pay you bots enough.
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Since that never happened, you are correct. MIC doesn't foment war.
nd idiots who don't know the facts think Russia just decided to invade one day for no reason, or ones just like 'they hate us for our freedom' nonsense.
The reason for Russia's invasion are clear. Putin didn't want another democratic, European-leaning, propering country on his border. He was so afraid of his
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Seriously. Read that entire article. Click the citations. Read them. All of it. Let it sink in and burn out your cognitive dissonance.
If that's not enough, read some more. [almayadeen.net]
As far as "democratic, European-leaning, prospering country", give me a break. Ukraine is one of the poorest countries per capita on the planet.
This is the closest to democracy they've been in a very long time, but they're still nowhere close.
As to the event above Putin-Bot is re
Fermi paradox (Score:2)
This is one answer to the Fermi paradox. Each alien civilization evolves their own Russia, North Korea, Iran, because the power maximization strategy of threatening weaker neighbors with devastating, destructive force works for a while. Which therefore must be opposed by the otherwise peaceloving other countries, lest any "buffer zone" gets successively conquered by the bullies, who thus become too large and powerful for the remaining democracies to oppose. Ultimately, the bullies alienate everyone, become
In case no one noticed (Score:2)
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Every Russian who dies in Ukraine can not die in Europe.
It's not just the cost, it's the crappy results (Score:2)
Required reading is Andrew Cockburn's "The Spoils of War", where he not only charts the endless increase of the military budgets (and how they are hidden in other budgets), but the endless decline of productive results. This decline was first noted by the "Military Reform Movement" 40 years ago: the guys who blew the whistle on $400 toilet seats and $600 hammers. Their point was not those costs at all, but that those costs were a comprehensible example of all the OTHER costs that were similarly magnifie
Where do the Chinese defense numbers come from? (Score:2)
If from China why would believe them since they've been less than honest with Covid origins and ongoing flare-ups in Shanghai or Beijing?
1. The CCP lies to make itself look good.
2. see 1
Also, the US Navy is the world's policeman for the high seas. Pirates are little more than a nuisance because the US Navy is on watch to protect the shipping lanes. This is hugely expensive.
only technically true (Score:2)
Maybe it's ACTUALLY passed $2 trn in current dollars but the implication - that this is more than ever - is one of those 'lies by statistics'.
https://moneywise.com/life/lif... [moneywise.com]
The US *ALONE* spent $4.1 trn in current dollars for WW2 or about $1trn per year. Pretty sure that if you added everyone else, it would be multiples of that.
(We 'only' spent $1.5 trn for TEN YEARS of wars in the Persian Gulf and Afghanistan.)
Low (Score:2)
Seems lower than I expected.