AI-Assisted Guns Deployed By Israel To Track Targets In the West Bank (euronews.com) 167
Israel has deployed a new kind of robotic weapon over a Palestinian refugee camp in the West Bank, reports Euronews. "The twin gun turrets can fire tear gas, stun grenades, and sponge-tipped bullets."
"Operated by trained soldiers, they track their targets using AI."
Slashdot reader DevNull127 writes: A Euronews video features footage of Sharone Aloni, Research and Development VP of Sharp Shooter, demonstrating one of the company's devices with an automatic Fire Control System. "Inside here, you have the computer running all the artificial intelligence, computer vision algorithms, which makes this what we call a true fire control system," Aloni says. "It's not only just relying on static information. It actually considers the human, the soldier, which is not stable. He's under pressure. He's tired. Sometimes he didn't get enough training. And also, the target is usually dynamic, and it's moving all the time."
The company's web site promises the systems "significantly increase weapon accuracy." And according to Euronews, Israel's army "says the tech protects soldiers, who can fire more accurately at a distance." But Omar Shakir, Human Rights Watch's director for Israel and Palestine, counters that when he hears claims of a reduction in risks, "that's often a one-sided kind of risk. It might minimize the risk for the occupying force or the army deploying it, but often it invariably increases the risk to affected communities." Sophisticated weapons systems "will lack elements of human control and agency that are often the difference between life and death." Euronews adds that "Palestinians and human rights experts say the weapons are dehumanizing, dangerous and unaccountable."
Sharp Shooter has a response to that, according to Eurnoews: the robotic guns are not fully automated, so a soldier must always pull the trigger, with the system only firing "after algorithms assess factors like wind speed, distance and velocity." And Michal Mor, Sharp Shooter's CEO and founder, also describes its utility in fighting a terrorist. "Usually the terrorist will be inside a civilian environment with many people that we do not want to hurt.
"We're enabling the soldier to look through his fire control system, to make sure that the target that he wants to hit is the legitimate target. Once he locks on the target, the system will make sure that the round will be released when he presses the trigger, only on the legitimate target, and none of the bystanders can be hit by the weapon."
The Israeli army stressed to Euronews that their deployment isn't using live rounds, and can only fire tear gas, stun grenades, and sponge-tipped bullets.
A resident of the refugee camp tells Euronews that the gun "is very fast, even faster than the soldiers."
"Operated by trained soldiers, they track their targets using AI."
Slashdot reader DevNull127 writes: A Euronews video features footage of Sharone Aloni, Research and Development VP of Sharp Shooter, demonstrating one of the company's devices with an automatic Fire Control System. "Inside here, you have the computer running all the artificial intelligence, computer vision algorithms, which makes this what we call a true fire control system," Aloni says. "It's not only just relying on static information. It actually considers the human, the soldier, which is not stable. He's under pressure. He's tired. Sometimes he didn't get enough training. And also, the target is usually dynamic, and it's moving all the time."
The company's web site promises the systems "significantly increase weapon accuracy." And according to Euronews, Israel's army "says the tech protects soldiers, who can fire more accurately at a distance." But Omar Shakir, Human Rights Watch's director for Israel and Palestine, counters that when he hears claims of a reduction in risks, "that's often a one-sided kind of risk. It might minimize the risk for the occupying force or the army deploying it, but often it invariably increases the risk to affected communities." Sophisticated weapons systems "will lack elements of human control and agency that are often the difference between life and death." Euronews adds that "Palestinians and human rights experts say the weapons are dehumanizing, dangerous and unaccountable."
Sharp Shooter has a response to that, according to Eurnoews: the robotic guns are not fully automated, so a soldier must always pull the trigger, with the system only firing "after algorithms assess factors like wind speed, distance and velocity." And Michal Mor, Sharp Shooter's CEO and founder, also describes its utility in fighting a terrorist. "Usually the terrorist will be inside a civilian environment with many people that we do not want to hurt.
"We're enabling the soldier to look through his fire control system, to make sure that the target that he wants to hit is the legitimate target. Once he locks on the target, the system will make sure that the round will be released when he presses the trigger, only on the legitimate target, and none of the bystanders can be hit by the weapon."
The Israeli army stressed to Euronews that their deployment isn't using live rounds, and can only fire tear gas, stun grenades, and sponge-tipped bullets.
A resident of the refugee camp tells Euronews that the gun "is very fast, even faster than the soldiers."
WTF is sponge-tipped bullet (Score:3)
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Re:WTF is sponge-tipped bullet (Score:5, Informative)
You mean like this guy?
https://apnews.com/article/0ca... [apnews.com]
This (Score:4, Insightful)
is terrifying.
Opposite should be the case (Score:2, Informative)
This is terrifying.
So many people are afraid of AI becoming sentient, and taking over or killing humanity.
But this shows a future where the opposite is true - AI is built to simply augment what humans can do.
There's do difference between what this turret, manned by a human and told who to fire on and what ammo to use, and a turret manned by a human...
Except there is, because this current makes it way less likely the operator will fire on, or hit the wrong target.
In theory something like this could easily ta
Good for assassinating reporters (Score:3, Insightful)
I assume that this advanced AI can identify reporters so that they can be targeted for assassination.
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I assume that this advanced AI can identify reporters so that they can be targeted for assassination.
Simple solution, we provide reporters with an AI that points out the group of men they are traveling with are carrying AK and RPG. That they are standing next to legit targets and likely to get fragged as a result. Reporters seem to need assistance identifying such things.
Re: Good for assassinating reporters (Score:2, Informative)
It's easy. The last reporter that was assassinated was wearing a vest that said reporter in big letters. Easy for the assassin to spot. No need for big messy grenades. Just a single sniper shot.
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Again, don't stand near the guys with the AKs and RPGs.
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You mean like US journalists embedded with the military?
No, like the journalists the GP was actually referring to. Typically insurgents and such fighting US forces.
For those journalists embedded with US forces they have been briefed on the risks and have signed waivers. They are aware they are in danger standing next to armed troops in a war zone.
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Gotcha. When the US does it it's OK,
Straw man, I said no such thing. I said those embedded with US troops are told they are at risk merely by being near troops in a war zone and sign waivers to that effect.
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Palestinians aren't allowed to own guns while Israelis are.
Odd, Hezbollah seems to have no problem getting arms and passing them out.
"Accuracy" (Score:3, Insightful)
The company's web site promises the systems "significantly increase weapon accuracy."
When they say "significantly increase weapon accuracy" they mean being able to more easily kill reporters [voanews.com] covering Israel's apartheid even if they're American citizens.
Just like Saudi Arabia kills journalists [bbc.com].
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Then why doesn't your government do something about it? If your American, why don't the precious fucking Democrats deal with it? Oh right, they are just like the Republicans just pushing different soundbytes they don't actually believe it.
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Gotta love the idiots who cry anti-Semitism when people question the acts of the nation of Israel.
Israel is a country, not the embodiment of Judaism on earth and there is nothing inherently anti-Semitic about questioning the actions of its government.
Re: "Accuracy" (Score:3)
There are not more actual nazis in the Ukraine than in any other country. Even the extreme nationalists of the Azov battalion were at any time a very small group.
And when they fought a valiant defense, I was on their side. Not that I like nazis, but this particular brand wasn't actual doing much nazi stuff, as opposed to Putins soldiers who went around raping, looting and murdering civilians.
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Really hilarious to see you elsewhere on slashdot rooting for *actual nazis* in Ukraine so long as they're fighting the Russians.
Most of the actual nazis in Ukraine (the ones with tattoos and prison records, etc) are fighting on the side of Russia. At least, they were, if they're not dead yet.
Hilltop settlement defense force (Score:2)
Have to maintain terror in the open air prison when they are close to hilltop settlements, almost impossible to maintain security otherwise, the distances are just too small.
Historically, the IDF considers... (Score:1, Flamebait)
makes sense (Score:2)
Real life sentrygun like in Teamfortress. Saw it on youtube with a paintball gun a while back.
Old saying (Score:2)
What you can use against someone, can eventually be used against you. If you the big dog can occupy someone today, you too can be occupied someday. That, and walls never work. Is there any ancient wall that designates a national border of today?
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Walls slow things down. From that perspective, they work incredibly well. You can also mount stuff on top of sturdy walls. Like AI-guns, and those damn well will be working.
We can wail about how this is all really immoral but everyone who can develop this tech will because otherwise they will get left behind and eventually conquered. Might makes right.
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That, and walls never work.
Walls actually work. They don't work perfectly, but nothing else does either.
Didn't we see this in Aliens? (Score:2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
. think about the children ! - (Score:3)
This time it's not a joke. I'm an older person, like many here, and my personal attitude about war is that I would never pick up a gun and shoot other people. But young people aren't so inclined. They love video games where they can shoot everything that moves. And they often idolize soldiers and other 'heroic' characters in the movies etc.
Unfortunately, every government recruits children for its war machine. Even the evil warlords of Africa and South America recruit children at a disturbing young age. The minds of children can be molded by experienced agents to any form that suits the desires of leaders.
Children need to know that those are not heroic people. They are people who follow orders. They don't know where the orders come from, or care. They obediently do what they are told. They have become robots, unthinking, uncaring, and forgetful that all humans have a right to a good life.
This kind of weapon will be very attractive to children and psychotic individuals. It should be outlawed.
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sorry - it should NOT be allowed !
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Israel thinks of the children. They force them into compulsory military service before their brains are even finished developing to make sure that a significant percentage of them support militarism.
Asimov's Law in 2022 seems to fail us (Score:2)
In 2022 it seems Asimov's First Law is rendered moot given AI's remote potential. For a long time already, weapons once fired can self-navigate way, way over the horizon to their target. This is about automatic targeting while still allowing for a human to decide to pull the trigger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re: Palestinians are oppressed (Score:1)
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Have you been to modern South Africa?
Please don't fall for sarcastic, racist trolls who think they're clever.
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What is racist about the OP? Race was never mentioned.
I would say it's amusing watching you call yourself the OP, but it's really more sad and deranged. When it's your own post, even when you're a dishonest idiot who uses multiple accounts designed to look similar to the handle of an existing poster, it's not normal to refer to yourself or your own post as OP.
Apartheid was an officially racist system, and you're supporting it. It's completely dishonest to claim that you were not talking about race when you were talking about Apartheid. That clearly makes you a
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Doesn't Korea already have an autonomous sentry gun that fires live rounds [wikipedia.org] deployed in the DMZ?
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Not so much autonomous, it still has a human involved with the firing. The target has to be identified by a human in order to engage the firing mechanism. At least that is what I remember reading about the Korean turrets.
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Then hope for the death of all humans. We are way to egotistical for world peace. We wouldn't even know what to do with peace if we could catch it. May as well try to lasso the Moon or catch the Sun.
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They developed the CPU that your computer runs on so you can post your bullshit on the Internet. You are welcome.
What Israeli person(s) or entity are you thinking of there? That's not sounding very legit to me.
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Intel designs and manufactures lots of chips in Israel [intel.com], including CPUs.
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Ok, but Intel has facilities all over the world. Israeli facilities will, of course, make a contribution, but that hardly backs up the claim that Israelis developed the CPU that Fly Swatter's computer runs on. Your link notes that Intel Israel opened in 1974. Intel was on the 8080 by then. The Z80 was already being worked on and would come out shortly after. That's too late in the game to have any real effect in the present over whether Fly Swatter gets to post online or not.
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The Core architecture was a little project the Israeli Intel office was working on while the main company was busy cranking the clock rate higher on Pentium. If you're using an Intel processor, unless it's really old, it's based on that.
The point is kind of silly, but the point it's countering is also pretty silly.
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The Core architecture was a little project the Israeli Intel office was working on while the main company was busy cranking the clock rate higher on Pentium. If you're using an Intel processor, unless it's really old, it's based on that.
Most of the systems I use personally end up being AMD, but they're mostly Intel at work. I do get the point, but there are plenty of counterexamples that we would certainly have plenty of CPUs to choose from without that particular R&D. Some other piece of technology developed from scratch in Israel (and there are plenty of examples) would have worked better.
The point is kind of silly, but the point it's countering is also pretty silly.
That is certainly true. If there had not already been a reply to the original post, I very likely would have first responded to that to point out t
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The Core architecture was a little project the Israeli Intel office was working on while the main company was busy cranking the clock rate higher on Pentium. If you're using an Intel processor, unless it's really old, it's based on that.
No.
That's quite the oversell.
It's true that the Pentium M, and thus Core came from Intel Israel.
But it itself was just a modification of the Pentium 3.
Further, Nehalem+ CPUs are not based on Core's microarchitecture.
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Intel Israel designed the Pentium M (which was itself just a refresh of the Pentium 3)
NetBurst wasn't going to work for horizontally scaling parts, as it was too power hungry, so Intel Israel's Pentium M was chosen to move forward.
You can generally tell what CPUs came from there by their Hebrew code names.
The last was was Merom, and it was a very long time ago.
Nehalem and newer were domestic.
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According to Intel's page [intel.com], Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake were also designed by the Israel division:
And according to this article [timesofisrael.com], Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, and Skylake were designed there too.
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Intel's page literally says "the 7th and 8th Generation Intel Core processors were developed mainly in Israel." The 7th generation is Skylake and Kaby Lake [wikipedia.org], and 8th generation is Coffee Lake, Amber Lake, Whiskey Lake, and Cannon Lake [wikipedia.org].
It sounds like what you're saying is that because they didn't redesign the chip from scratch, the engineers in Israel didn't really do anything and don't deserve any credit. Because we all know that evolutionary product development isn't a thing,
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Intel's page literally says "the 7th and 8th Generation Intel Core processors were developed mainly in Israel." The 7th generation is Skylake and Kaby Lake [wikipedia.org], and 8th generation is Coffee Lake, Amber Lake, Whiskey Lake, and Cannon Lake [wikipedia.org].
Fair enough- it does in fact say that. I didn't see that.
It appears that Haswell was developed state-side, and subsequent cores were handed off to the IDG (makes sense, they're Haswell variants), and IDG specializes in updating existing cores.
It sounds like what you're saying is that because they didn't redesign the chip from scratch, the engineers in Israel didn't really do anything and don't deserve any credit.
It doesn't sound like that at all.
I said it's silly to say they were "designed there".
Intel's uarch development teams aren't located in Israel.
Final placement of function blocks on CPUs does happen there, though, as well as chipset design, R&D for power improve
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Well, take a step back and look at the context: this is an article about (essentially) a software aimbot for a gun turret, which has brought out a bunch of anti-Israel trolls. Someone asked "does Israel actually develop anything that is not used to track and kill people?" with an implication that the answer is no, and someone else pointed to CPUs as a rebutta
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The questions of Israeli and Palestinian conflicts are fairly tricky. I wasn't really trying to go down that rabbit hole myself. I will note that treating the issue in terms of absolute good guys and bad guys does not really work. It's entirely possible for multiple sides of an issue to all be doing bad things that they should not be. I will definitely add that Israel's current position of wanting to cozy up to Russia while they commit genocide in Ukraine is not really a good look.
In any case, the reason fo
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I will definitely add that Israel's current position of wanting to cozy up to Russia while they commit genocide in Ukraine is not really a good look.
In fact it is repugnant. Basically they are saying "we don't want to get involved".
They more than anyone should know what happens when nobody wants to get involved.
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There is no debate. Israel are the good guys and Hamas are the bad guys.
There certainly is debate, and it's bizarre to boil it down to just Hamas and Israel. There are various other entities involved. Your assertion that leftists are anti-Israel and pro-Hamas is a ridiculous strawman as well. As far as Russians and Ukrainians go, in the current conflict, the Russians are a pretty clear bad guy. Ukraine certainly had its problems, but Russia's invasion is a war of conquest. It's pretty easy to identify the bad guys there.
Regarding the definition of woman... Well there's another
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Regarding the definition of woman... Well there's another ridiculous straw man argument. Please though, go ahead then smart guy, define woman for us. No circular definitions please.
Sure, I'll give it a shot. A person with two X chromosomes.
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Sure, I'll give it a shot. A person with two X chromosomes.
Ok, and you flub it right off the bat. Having two X chromosomes only increases the chances of being biologically a woman. All the DNA required to be female is in the X chromosome, and you only need one of them to be female. Also, since a human can't survive without an X chromosome, all humans have one. The Y chromosome contains a gene that turns a what you could call a sexless (although it might be more correct to call it fundamentally female) embryo male early on in development. If that gene is damaged or
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Just to sum up, your definition is wrong from a biological standpoint on two main counts and probably on a third (which is dependent on context and on further information from you).
One is all the women who only have one X chromosome and no Y
Would they express as a woman, who knows, but I would call that a genetic abnormality, which would not likely be female, or able to produce offspring, so not a woman.
or who have XY.
That would be a man.
The second is all the men who have XXY chromosomes (approximately 6 million) who your definition claims are women.
That would be because they are partially or fully a woman, so would count as a woman.
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god wills it?
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Would they express as a woman, who knows, but I would call that a genetic abnormality, which would not likely be female, or able to produce offspring, so not a woman.
That's because you have an elementary school understanding of genetics, and you clearly don't want to simply look anything up. It's called Turner syndrome. It can have some characteristic physical signs such as short stature. It can lead to some heart and kidney problems and potential reproductive issues to varying degrees (although women with Turner Syndrome can still be fertile, they are just more likely to have difficulties). Otherwise though, a woman with Turner syndrome is generally considered to be a
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god wills it?
You're obviously being sarcastic, but for a lot of people, that's all the argument they need. It's like some Flat Earthers who don't care about proof, it's just their "personal truth" that the Earth is flat. I'm not sure which is worse, those ones or the ones who insist that they have a rational basis for their belief. I mean, I would say that the second kind would be better since they might listen to reason, but I've argued enough with them to know that, when the cognitive dissonance gets too much, they do
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there is no secret, god specifically wills it through me and me alone, justifying my interpretation to be the only true one... /srcasm
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there is no secret, god specifically wills it through me and me alone, justifying my interpretation to be the only true one... /srcasm
Oh, well, I mean obviously.
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The problem with rating the Ukrainians against the Russians is that, until a few years ago. The Ukrainians _were_ the Russians in the sense that the Ukrainian government was corrupted with Russian puppets. The current conflict is all about that in many ways. Russia under Putin is very big on exercising control over other countries under the legal fiction that they are independent or semi-independent. Consider Chechnya. Is it a Republic? They call it one, but it's considered to be part of Russia. It has a th
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The Russians are pretty clearly the badder guy than the Ukrainians, "in the current conflict"
Name a conflict in which the Russians weren't the bad guys which isn't WWII.
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You should probably ask that in the context of post WW2 as opposed to everything but. There are plenty of wars prior to that where Russia was not the aggressor.
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There are plenty of wars prior to that where Russia was not the aggressor.
Which ones didn't involve kicking Russia out of someplace they had previously taken by force?
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Even in WWII, where the Russians rightfully can be credited for defeating Germany in the end, Russia was originally allied with the Nazis. Ultimately, one way or another, their participation in the war ended up being about conquest. So yeah, even in WWII the heroism of the country itself is pretty suspect.
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The Napoleonic Wars and WWI come to mind off the top of my head.
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Re: Actual stateless refugees being shot by robot (Score:4, Interesting)
Ask yourself; Is Israel a Jewish state? Is Jewishness a race or a religion? What does that mean for the previous occupants of Palestine? Can they be equal members of society with Jews? And why not? And if not, what are their rights? And if, in your opinion, they can't have equal rights on a genetic basis, how is that different from bigotry or fascism of the past?
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeac... [jewishvoiceforpeace.org]
Re: Actual stateless refugees being shot by robot (Score:2)
Re: Actual stateless refugees being shot by robot (Score:5, Informative)
Since that door has always been open to the Palestinian people should they choose to go through it, I would say yes. It isn't Israel that keeps sabotaging the peace process. It isn't Israel that believes that the only solution is extermination, that is the Palestinian perspective.
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It isn't Israel that keeps sabotaging the peace process.
Slowly but surely annexing the West Bank a little bit at a time is kind of that, though.
Lebensraum is apparently not just for Germans.
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that they have a genetic right to rule some land and expel and exterminate impure races.
You are utterly lying. Dumb nazi.
Why? Because jews are genetically incapable of being racist fuck-tards? The fact that the only response you have to what he said there is mindless accusations of him being a Nazi just emphasises that you also know he has a point.
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I see you're not familiar with the latest scholarship. It's been reported by that notorious nest of anti-Semitic nazis, Haaretz.
âPlace the Material in the Wellsâ(TM): Docs Point to Israeli Armyâ(TM)s 1948 Biological Warfare - For decades, rumors and testimonies swirled about Jewish troops sent to poison wells in Arab villages. Now, researchers have located official documentation of the âCast Thy Breadâ(TM) operation
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-10-14/ty-article-magazi [haaretz.com]
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Let's see: using WMD to render an area uninhabitable with the goal of ethnic cleansing. Holocaust Museum: "Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group." [ushmm.org]
Secret Israeli Document Reveals Plan to Keep Arabs Off Their Lands [haaretz.com]
A document unsealed after 60 years reveals the Israeli governmentâ(TM)s secret intentions behind the imposition of a military government on the country's Arab c
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You're using motivated reasoning. I would forgive you if you were a lawyer, but you should still stop doing it.
I'm also interested to see if you think the Palestinians want to commit genocide. Are you fair, or also one sided?
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No, I'm showing you proof that genocide and ethnic cleansing are being and have been done
Nah, you're using motivated reasoning to try to prove what you wish were true. Anyone with real logic skills tries to find the holes in their own ideas.
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Your honor, I request a summary judgement, even if everything the plaintiff said were true, it still would not meet the bar for genocide. Furthermore, taking into consideration the logical fallacy of motivated reasoning that DNS-and-BIND has continued to fallaciously employ, and with respect to the fact that he refused to address my previous points, I furthermore demand that the case be dismissed with prejudice.
Learn about motivated reasoning and stop using it.
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1) Because the mainstream Palestinian government wants to push the Jews into the ocean.
2) Because the Palestinians are puppets of the group that keeps giving them weapons.
If Palestine could live in peace, they could have a state already.
It's amazing to me the fuckery some people are willing to ignore and or accept in this conflict.
It starts with the very concept of a "***ish" state. Doesn't matter what ethnic grouping you substitute the ***'s for it's always a dumb idea. What is especially comical there are already more Arabs than Jews in younger demographics in Israel and things are guaranteed to get far worse for them.
Then we come to flourishing pre-WWII era colonialism complete with land grabs, forced resettlement, occupation and bloc
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ok, so what is your solution? That the Jews should just go back to where they came from? That worked well last time. /s
You haven't thought much about this.
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ok, so what is your solution?
The solution is obvious to the world. Palestine becomes a viable sovereign country free of foreign colonial rule, occupation and blockades.
That the Jews should just go back to where they came from? That worked well last time. /s
WTF does this even mean? Jewish is a tribe not a place.
You haven't thought much about this.
You are not making any sense.
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The solution is obvious to the world. Palestine becomes a viable sovereign country free of foreign colonial rule, occupation and blockades.
They literally can have this, all they have to do is agree to stop trying to destroy Israel.
Are you saying Palestine should be allowed to try to destroy Israel?
You are not making any sense.
That's because you haven't thought much about this.
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They literally can have this, all they have to do is agree to stop trying to destroy Israel.
This is circular reasoning akin to beatings will continue until morale improves. Palestinian hostilities are largely the predictable outcome of oppression continuously inflicted by Israel.
As mentioned earlier: The logic here is merely condoning colonial oppression isn't sufficient it's also necessary to demand compliance, obedience and manners. When you predictably don't get what you want use that fact as a pretext to justify continuation of oppression.
Are you saying Palestine should be allowed to try to destroy Israel?
Palestine and Israel should have sovereignty and self
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Palestine and Israel should have sovereignty and self determination consistent with articles 1 and 2 of the UN charter.
Ok, and then what should Israel do when Palestine tries to invade them?
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And the mainstream Israeli government wants to genocide the Palestinians.
Oh fuck off, they do not.
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What you described is literally not genocide.
What is your solution then? Have you thought about this? What should Israel do? Or should they copy what Jordan did, and push the Palestinians out completely?
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What is your solution then? Have you thought about this? What should Israel do?
They should stop attacking Palestine and focus on attacking Hamas. They have already demonstrated a willingness to execute operations in Palestine, but so far they are using them mostly just to construct illegal settlements and to otherwise abuse, harass, assault, and generally provoke the Palestinians.
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They should stop attacking Palestine and focus on attacking Hamas.
Hamas is in Palestine. You can't attack Palestine without attacking Hamas. Stop writing nonsense it's annoying.
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You can't attack Palestine without attacking Hamas. Stop writing nonsense it's annoying.
Oh, found the genocidist who makes excuses for it. How disappointing.
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I don't understand why you are so emotionally against Israel. Like, normally you're an intelligent person, but here you just turn off your brain and let emotion take over.
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I'm emotionally against shitty arguments and hypocrisy.
Your equating Hamas with all Palestinians is a clear example of turning off your brain and letting emotion take over. And you were told to feel that way, and you complied.
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Your equating Hamas with all Palestinians
I didn't.
You were emotional before I said anything.
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You literally said "You can't attack Palestine without attacking Hamas" which is literally Zionist propaganda which you are literally repeating unironically and then going on to say that's not what you're doing. You don't even know what you're saying, let alone what it means. Then you want to tell me how emotional I'm being when you're too emotional to even know what you're blathering about, or where it came from.
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>and killing ever more journalists to try to prevent reporting of what they are doing. What do you imagine to be their intended end?
45 journalists have been killed by Israel according to Palestinian sources, since 2000. That's 2 a year. The rate appears not to be increasing, in fact 1 in 2022, 1 in 2021, then 1 in 2018. So below the average since 2000 by a bit.
What did you intend with this bit of hyperbole?
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Umm, clearly all these rockets that are being fired at Israel are being smuggled in by Hamas (who like to hide amount women and children) from Iran.
Either way, so long as Israel has the might, they will keep their land. No one really owns land, they just control it until they can't. Go read a history book. No one has ancestral rights to shit. Grow up Peter Pan. Might makes right. It's all in the history of our world.
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Rockets and mortars most dangerous the hilltop settlement right next door.
Might makes right, but a lot of might got invested in spreading the religion of human rights which Israel isn't immune to. For now the US protects them, without that even threatening nuclear holocaust if they don't get their way won't get them very far. There are limits to their current physical might, some level of good will is necessary.
A few more Obama's and Israel will be forced into some uncomfortable compromises, it's inevitable
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so long as Israel has the might, they will keep their land
Which is why the Palestinians just line up wealthy benefactors to supply them with weapons. Israel ha set the "might makes right" example and Hamas is just trying to catch up.
Shame we can't have a world based on the rule of law.
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The United Nations.
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Either way, so long as Israel has the might, they will keep their land. No one really owns land, they just control it until they can't.
And then the UN puts them back on it by force, and arms them? Even though the UK, which thought up the plan in the first place, backed away from it?
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And all the Nazi cunts come out to spread their blood libels.
We don't need to talk about all the Jews in the world, just the ones supporting the slow-moving genocide of the Palestinians.
Yet still, and at every turn, you hateful fucks turn your hate, your lies, and your guns on the Jews.
This story is literally about Jews turning their guns on the Palestinians. And of course there's no small number of comments about them turning their guns on Journalists, who the Israeli government just loves to murder. That's not the action of the innocent.
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All rants like this do is reinforce the Anti-Israel crowd. Most people who arent you understand that Israel is a nation state and not Judaism itself. There is nothing inherently anti-Semitic about criticizing Israel.
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A percentage of these comments are no doubt intended to stir up hate against Jews, because conflict is profitable.
Another percentage is probably intended to radicalize Jews.
Some trolls are just hobbyist shitlords, but some are shitlords for money.
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Amazing, you're just as much a moron as you used to be.
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The comments to this article are, unsurprisingly, full of propaganda and bigotry, with no reasonable discussion of the technology or how it's deployed.
Complaining that we are discussing the political relevance rather than the probably really quite boring technology is some next-level aspie shit.
Every topic has to get pulled some absolutist politicised position
Let's put a guncam overlooking your home and see how insightful your commentary is.