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What Has Technology Done To Soccer? 101

Perfect referees are a soccer fan's nightmare, it is increasingly appearing. From a report: The past four years have smoothed out some of those early kinks. Offside calls are now hyper-accurate and semiautomated. And VAR really has done some good: It has eliminated the worst officiating mistakes and ensured that we will not see another hand of God-type abomination, in which a particularly egregious bit of foul play somehow goes unspotted and changes the course of a match. Even so, you'd be hard-pressed to find a soccer fan who thinks VAR is great as is. The Ecuador-Qatar decision is a clear example of why. It was, in the narrowest, most annoying sense, the correct decision. To the naked eye, or even to those watching a television replay, the infraction was virtually invisible amid the chaos. But VAR spotted it.

Congratulations, officials -- you got it right. But for what? Sports are, in the end, entertainment, and officiating must always be a balance between accuracy and watchability. If the former were our only and ultimate concern, we would put every potential infraction under the microscope ... and the game would be utterly unwatchable. The plays that officials review -- that they ought to review -- are the ones where the call, if allowed to stand, would seem genuinely unfair. No one (except maybe the opposing team's fans) likes to see a legitimate-looking goal disallowed. When Valencia's header found the net, he and his teammates did not delay their celebration. The Qatari players did not turn to the referee in protest. The fans did not hesitate to lose their minds. Not even the commentators seemed to have considered the possibility that the goal might not stand, and so television audiences didn't either. No one was asking for this. Had the game proceeded, no one would have thought twice.

VAR is useful only insofar as it makes soccer better for the fans. It can do that only if it can alert them that a check is under way soon enough and return a verdict fast enough that it doesn't make celebrating goals impossible for fear of a reversal. It should rule out only those goals where, when you look back at the replay, people might reasonably think, Yeah, that's offside. Some sort of modified tie-goes-to-the-runner rule would help here by eliminating the scourge of the "toenail offside." You could even give the attacker a buffer of a foot or two.
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  • lolwut (Score:4, Funny)

    by TwistedGreen ( 80055 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:04AM (#63074056)
    What is this, a sports rants? Take this off of Slashdot.
    • by hagnat ( 752654 )

      its about the use of new and advanced technologies in sports
      therefore, it should be something relevant to the usual slashdot user

    • FP should change his handle to "twisted panties".

      No, I didn't watch the game, but a summary said that two early goals were disallowed because of offside calls. By the computer, I presume.

      I'm sure I'll watch highlights, but I also saw a statistical summary, and my current theory is Germany started thinking about their next game AND the Japan team was seriously lucky.

      • See, this is why we line up first in football. Real easy to see offsides and it is an indicator of player quality if he keeps doing that.
        • by shanen ( 462549 )

          Now you seem to be talking about American football, but that game has far more variations of offside rules than soccer. Next you'll be trying to explain to me how rugby works?

          • explain to me how rugby works?

            See, there's a bit of a scrum, right? An' yer mates aim to put a beatin on the buggers from the other team to distract 'em while you run away with the ball.

      • My current theory is Germany and Argentina have both been bough off by a gambling syndicate.
        • by shanen ( 462549 )

          I didn't see any part of the Argentina game, though that was probably a bigger upset, but I did see snippets from the Japanese game and I don't see any way that last goal could have been staged or arranged or faked. That was a perfect combination of effort and luck. And the video wasn't faked, either. Just an astounding violation of the statistics. Germany dominated the game in every way except for that little detail of the final score.

    • It's about tech in sports. Perfectly good for a slashdot article. Of course, unless it's good at determining real fouls from flopping it hasn't solved the reason why pro soccer sucks donkey balls.

  • ... it will gradually become WWF. Which I guess is fine.
    • So soccer will save the panda from extinction? Actually, I agree WWE sounds stupid. I grew up with WWF, it will always be WWF. Haven't seen it in decades, but the daft refs made it amazing fun.

    • There is a difference between exacting enforcement of every rule and knowing when the rules apply. An insignificant, unintentional grazing of the hand, one which does not alter the play, should not be called. Let the players play.

      The hand of "god"? Absolutely. Get the whistle out and show the yellow card.

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      That's the problem. The current crop of players has mostly been selected for being able to play, so they're not so good at following the rules. Automated reffing catches them, and then the whole plan goes out the window.

      Going forward, recruiters will look for players that can follow the damn script.

  • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:07AM (#63074066) Homepage Journal

    If you actually care about sport, you care if the call is made correctly.

    If all you care about is beer, who gives a shit? Just keep drinking and shouting.

    • If all you care about is beer, who gives a shit? Just keep drinking and shouting.

      Qatar banned all beer, and that was in breech of the contract they gave Budweiser to serve beer at the venues. So there was no beer to care about.

      • Qatar banned all beer, and that was in breech of the contract they gave Budweiser to serve beer at the venues. So there was no beer to care about.

        So only shouting to care about then.

      • On the upside, at least English soccer fans will remember this world cup.

    • If you actually care about sport, you care if the call is made correctly.

      If all you care about is beer, who gives a shit? Just keep drinking and shouting.

      That's a forced, false binary. It's not "perfectly 100% correct-in-all-reference-frames minutiae" VS "let's-just-get-drunk-and-screw".

      Your personal definition of what it means to "care about sport", and indeed, your personal concept of what "sport" even means, is just that - yours.
      There are numerous ways to define that.

      One counter to your statement would be:
      If you actually care about calls, then you care if the call is made correctly. If you care about actual sport, then you care whether your sport is desig

      • by jvkjvk ( 102057 )

        Change your rules if you don't like that they are being enforced.

        It's not the problem with the AI or computer calling. It shouldn't be a problem with the fans that the rules are now being *fairly* enforced. They should be all for it.

    • by fermion ( 181285 )
      What is correct? How much time do you want to waste adjudicating? Is this American Football where the goal is to run the clock for an hour, play for half and hour, and have 2 hours of commercials. Or basketballs where the players spend all their tine crying they got their fee fees hurt.

      I like soccer because it is humans playing humans. The officiates try to create a balance where each team has an even chance. The players play to the clock and one is out of the are no temper tantrums. There may be some e

      • What is correct?

        They should put a kinder, gentler offsides rule into the rules. I propose, anyone offsides cannot interact with the ball or other players until they get onsides, or then there is a foul.

        How much time do you want to waste adjudicating?

        None, that's why you should set a rule that can be enforced by computer without ruining the sport. Offsides has always been a problem.

      • Is this American Football where the goal is to run the clock for an hour, play for half and hour, and have 2 hours of commercials.

        You're off by a factor of 3. Considering the average play in (American) football lasts (generously) around 5 seconds and each team conducts an average of 60 plays per game, there exists only _ten minutes_ of actual gameplay during any (American) football game.

        I was dragged to see a live (American) football game once. I'll never voluntarily go back to see another one. It was

        • I am happy to find someone who actually agrees with me in large part. (I disagree that the games can be interesting even with TV commenting. The entire exercise is thoroughly uninteresting and I'd rather take a nap.)

    • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

      It's actually in many ways the opposite. Football (as opposed to handegg) is in large part about drama. Being able to skillfully fool the ref and his two assistance was a skill unto its own, leading to cases like Maradona's famous hand play which are remembered to this day. Because of the skill it takes to do it in a way where ref and his assistants can't see it.

      It's dramatic, which makes it fun. And it's a skill that people can be good at or bad at, just like everything else about the sport.

      Interestingly e

      • You can try to dress it up all you like, it's still cheating. Maradona was serial cheat, from the hand of god to ankle tapping to amateur acting.

        • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

          You can try to dress it up all you like, but "those that don't cheat" by your definition are forgotten in irrelevance. While those that do are still remembered as a legend.

          There's this thing with people who really think that reality is wrong and they're right. That they are impossible to convince that they themselves might be wrong, because they already learned not to care about reality itself. And no one is as convincing as reality.

  • The game where people manouver and kick the ball with their feet rather than picking it up and running with it. Hence foot -> ball.

    • The game where people manouver and kick the ball with their feet rather than picking it up

      unless they're the goalie

      Hence foot -> ball.

      Yeah except the american football gets kicked, too.

      I propose we call them roundball and longball

      • Don't worry, It's only ~330 million people who get confused with the name football & hand-egg is pretty much only played widely in one country. Not a problem for the other ~7,670 million of us in ~194 countries.
        • Yeah, right. Go ahead and insist to yourself that 7.6 billion people really enjoy watching football (your definition). I give you permission for this self-delusion.

          • But it is something like 3-3.5 billion viewers for football World Cup. 2.2 billion for the cricket World Cup. 850 million for the rugby World Cup. The Super Bowl? 100 million? UEFA champions league final, Tour de France, Wimbledon, and more get vastly more viewers.

          • I give you permission for this self-delusion.

            Dismissive & then this. I have absolutely no doubt that you're from the good ol' US of A. God bless 'Murica! Freedom!

      • The game where people manouver and kick the ball with their feet rather than picking it up

        Hence foot -> ball.

        Yeah except the american football gets kicked, too.

        How many times per game?
        Compared to football, as it is named by ~90% of the inhabitants of the planet?
        Or by the "250 million players in over 200 nations, as opposed to 1.1million in the US"? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football#Popularity).

        Anyone is free to name things what they fancy, but the figures are what they are.

    • by sfcat ( 872532 )
      It is called football because it is played on foot, rather than on horseback. Not because it is played with your feet. And the name soccer, yea that was coined in England in the 19th century.
      • LOL :) yeah ok, whatever you say. Get back to us when you've sobered up.

        • by sfcat ( 872532 )

          LOL :) yeah ok, whatever you say. Get back to us when you've sobered up.

          You are the futball fan, clearly you are the one who is drunk (otherwise who could sit through an entire game of soccer).

          Also this: "Although the popularly believed etymology of the word football, or "foot ball", originated in reference to the action of a foot kicking a ball, this may be a false etymology. An alternative explanation has it that the word originally referred to a variety of games in medieval Europe, which were played on foot.[5] These sports were usually played by peasants, as opposed to

        • by sfcat ( 872532 )
          From here. [wikipedia.org]

          ...the word originally referred to a variety of games in medieval Europe, which were played on foot.[5] These sports were usually played by peasants, as opposed to the horse-riding sports more often enjoyed by aristocrats. In some cases, the word has been applied to games which involved carrying a ball and specifically banned kicking. For example, the English writer William Hone, writing in 1825 or 1826, quotes the social commentator Sir Frederick Morton Eden, regarding a game– which Hone

    • The 'Muricans rename it to soccer so that they don't confuse it with that "hand-egg" game they play over there.
      • by kellin ( 28417 )

        And yet,its funny that people seem to ignore the fact (as the post mentioned above yours) that England was the one that coined the word "soccer", in reference to "Association Football" - > "Assoc" -> "Soccer".

        Something else I just learned, and maybe some Aussie folk can confirm.. Australians also refer to "football" as "soccer" down there as well - because of rugby. So, its not just Americans?

  • Players will adjust to not being able to get away with things. Most importantly, it helps to get rid of paid refs fixing games. The more we can automate the better.
    • Impossible unless you want the game to be stopped nearly constantly and basically unwatchable. Hopefully you mean only on important calls, goals, red cards etc.

    • Players will adjust to not being able to get away with things.

      Most importantly, it helps to get rid of paid refs fixing games. The more we can automate the better.

      I see it as partially a matter of perspective.

      Randomness can affect the outcome, that's part of the game.

      Players make mistakes, that's part of the game.

      Officials are also capable of mistakes, can't that be part of the game as well?

      One of the ridiculous things in hockey review is missed offsides. A player can end the zone marginally offside, then after a minute of sustained pressure the team scores... and the play gets called back. Goal scoring in hockey is a rare event, and even more so in soccer. That make

      • Why should "randomness" be part of a game of skill? If you want "randomness" go watch people playing roulette (oh yeah, that is pretty boring since there is no real skill involved).

        Breaking the rules is breaking the rules. If you want to give more advantage to the offensive play, change the rules as such. Even in hockey goals get reviewed (hit with a high stick, interference with the goalie, and, to a much lesser extent now, a player entering the goalie exclusionary zone before the puck) but people still c
        • Why should "randomness" be part of a game of skill? If you want "randomness" go watch people playing roulette (oh yeah, that is pretty boring since there is no real skill involved).

          Breaking the rules is breaking the rules. If you want to give more advantage to the offensive play, change the rules as such. Even in hockey goals get reviewed (hit with a high stick, interference with the goalie, and, to a much lesser extent now, a player entering the goalie exclusionary zone before the puck) but people still celebrate initially. Then find out it is under review and wait a couple minutes either screaming that it was a bad goal or a good goal depending on which side you are cheering for while the ref's wait for the phone call from New York where the official reviews occur.

          Personally I welcome these various review systems and hope more and more of it is automated as video and image processing become better. I would also welcome changes to equipment and the playfield to make it even easier for the computer based systems to work but understand that the ultimate solution would be to have this be a system that can easily be used on any playfield, so image and video is still probably the best overall solution.

          Because life is random, the better team doesn't always win.

          Ideally bad calls go away entirely, but there is a definite cost to the delay in review.

          More critically, video reviews aren't perfect, many infractions are ambiguous, adding a video review won't fix that for the team on the wrong end of the call. Even worse a call can be blatantly wrong, it's one thing for a ref to screw up in the moment, but a bad call getting a supposedly expert review sucks sooo much more [youtube.com].

          That's not to say video review is altoget

    • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

      The problem is that football's popularity is largely based in the fact that it's the same sport if you play it in grassroots league and people playing it at the top. Football organisations at all levels did a lot of work to keep it that way.

      Video referees and goal technologies are things you can't have at grassroots level. They're far too expensive. And that means that football at the top is genuinely starting to become a different sport that one people would play in their regional sixth division match.

      And

    • The problem with 'the right call always' is that often (usually even) there is no 'right' call. It's up to the referee's discretion. Far too often the VAR gets embroiled in decisions it shouldn't be worrying about. Unless there's a blatant mistake, or the referee informs them that they didn't get a good view of the incident, they should be keeping out.
      As for offside, I'd rather there was a margin of error, similar to cricket. If the decision for/against an offside violation is within that margin of error, t

  • by muh_freeze_peach ( 9622152 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:24AM (#63074114)
    I love a good sports ball team match game.
    • Yes, we get it, you are a new breed. Now if people would stop giving you swirlies and stuffing you into lockers, the world would be perfect.

              If it makes you feel any better, this story is about soccer, played primarily by little kids until they grow up to play a real sport.
         

  • In almost every case the annoyance with VARD is because of really, really close offside decisions. Seems possible to fix. For example the entire body needs to be offside? Or, less extreme, ignore arms and legs that are offside i.e. only count the torso, or only the feet or the back foot only etc?

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by awakener76 ( 992463 )
      This is the correct answer, rather than the rather vague and overly broad definition of the original rule, simplify it make it as simple as just the heels of the players and if either heel is onside, then the player is onside. On a broader point, the offside rule has always been badly defined and interpreted. VAR has just highlighted how bad it is. Further more, arguing about inches misses the whole point of offside. It was brought in to prevent goal hanging, not to rule out goals where a change in stride
      • by shanen ( 462549 )

        This is the angle that interested me, but I'm not sure if goal hanging is such a bad thing. It's not like they'd get up to basketball numbers. And in spite of the aspect that I usually played defender... MANY years ago.

        But even though I don't like the offside rule, I do like the idea of it being applied in a consistent way.

    • You would simply move the "goal posts" to where there would be really, really close offside decisions anyway.
    • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

      Current rule is that hands aren't counted, everything else is. Specifically mentioned counted parts are head, body and legs. Cue the jokes about genitalia being a part of the body or a separate part.

  • by SomePoorSchmuck ( 183775 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:28AM (#63074134) Homepage

    https://www.newyorker.com/maga... [newyorker.com]

    Absolutely everyone should read this now-classic New Yorker piece from the 2008/2009 financial meltdown, that links the difference in officiating approaches between soccer and the NFL, to fundamental cultural differences in the approaches to legislation/regulation between the United States and Europe. It's a quick one-page read. The validity of the analogy is immediately obvious, and once you've read it you'll start to notice the analogy's framework holds true for numerous cultural, economic, and legal aspects of the USA and Europe (plus much of the rest of the world).

    • by SomePoorSchmuck ( 183775 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @12:52PM (#63074424) Homepage

      It's why NFL matches seem more exciting than soccer to Americans who are used to football's OCD fixation on rules.

      NFL matches are super "correct" because every single inch of every play is being watched by a large team of officials, plus each team's dozens of personnel. Play is constantly stopped to make sure the exact correct specifics of every rule are perfectly followed. Plays are re-done, clocks are rewound; everything is obsessively centered around legal precision. This also means you don't have to pay constant attention to NFL games, and why they can last 4 hours. The distance between end zones may be marked by yard lines, but the actual labor required to TRAVEL the distance between end zones is measured in hundreds of procedural rules -- number of downs, penalty assessments that move the chains, the clock depends on whether the runner run out of bounds or was tackled on the field, did the ball wobble in the runner's hand sufficient to demonstrate he no longer had control of the ball BEFORE or AFTER his knee touched the grass or forward motion came to a halt, was the QB's arm in forward motion to pass the ball before or after he was hit.
      On and on it goes.

      Because EVERY play and EVERY rule are considered 100% vital, then every play results in high drama for spectators as dozens of cameras and sensors and officials watch or review the entire play from every angle. It FEELS more exciting even though the biomechanics of football are not in some objective way more athletic or more difficult than soccer. It FEELS more exciting simply because the OCD structure of the rule set treats it that way. Every inch is "the most important inch" of the game. Any one of dozens of rules affecting every down, could be the tipping point between converting to another 1st down (and procedural forward progress down the field toward a TD) or FG/punting then switching to defense. In football, possession is 99/100ths of the law. You always know who has control, who is legally entitled to have control, who should have been legally entitled to have control after the dozens of rules are applied correctly to the down that just completed. Like USA culture, it is obsessed with Knowledge and Control.

      Soccer is completely different. It accepts an unsafe chaotic universe where the presumptions of perfect Knowledge and perfect Control aren't on the radar, and are, in fact, met with a > by players and waved off by the refs. And that works for soccer because unlike football it doesn't stop every 3-8 seconds to check all the boxes and reset everything. As a consequence, the "distance" between goals is determined not by dozens of rules but by the athleticism and teamwork of the players on the field. If a team has superior passing and cohesion, they can keep the ball in their opponent's half of the field most of the game and take as many shots as they want. This means that the outcome of the game doesn't hinge on every inch of every action by every player. The outcome of the game is determined by the general "preponderance of the evidence" as played out, live, on the field. The referees don't have to establish the winner "beyond all reasonable doubt" according to precise nitpicky rules and statutes. The officials just make sure nobody breaks the 3 most important rules:
      no offsides,
      no malicious PvP contact that we know is likely to injure someone,
      no touching the ball with the arm/hand.

      Beyond that, the game is up to the teams. Don't like that your opponent scored a goal and is now trying to just bunker in on defense, pass the ball back and forth, and ride the clock? Okay, go over there and prove you have superior athleticism/skill/discipline to strip the ball from them and disrupt their defensive shape. Exploit the fact that their bunkering takes pressure off your defense, so you can sub in your more attack-oriented players. Plus, you know, work harder to not give up goals in the first place.

      I'm not arguing that soccer is somehow "better". That term has no meaning when we're talking about complete style di

      • Interesting comment. I remember an old war-related analogy, something to the effect of: Football is like a set-piece battle and soccer is like guerilla warfare.

        I notice how you generally feel football is about as interesting as watching chess matches. It reminded me of a quote from Mia Hamm who said something about "soccer is like chess". Alas I could find no evidence that she said that, so I did a more general "soccer is like chess" search, and was surprised as to the number of hits, often stated thusly:

    • Absolutely nobody needs to read this. I won't read it. And I will advise others not to read it either.

      Because it's inaccurate or biased or anything else? No. Because you wrote "Absolutely everyone should read this." Those five words at the beginning of any sentence make the rest of the sentence false.

      • Also these five: "Taking the world by storm!"

      • It's hyperbole... and kind of characteristic of the suspect english/clickbait headlines used by and targeting the padded-corners generation.

        I did read the article, which sucked... perhaps I will keep your rule in mind in the future.

    • Excellent little piece.
    • The article has a creative analogy but utterly fails to be anything other than obvious propaganda. It's factually null to speak of Europe has having either a rules based or a principles based approach.

      the basic abuse of the Hegelian dialectic is to state a complex problem in terms of an either-or solution and then use the false statement of the problem to argue that one of the two proposed solutions is not only superior, but the best conceivable solution.

      The financial system has been subject to naked manip

  • I don't watch soccer often so I don't know how long the reviews take; but other sports give the coach a fixed number of challenges. This prevents too many review delays. The drama of if and when to use a challenge is part of the entertainment.

  • It's probably no coincidence that just after world wide TV distribution of soccer matches became feasible, the whole sport turned terribly commercial.

  • I don't think a single player will agree with you. Wrestling is for entertainment. Sports are to win, and you as a spectator are completely fucking irrelevant to the players on the field and their desire to be treated fairly, especially in a game known for bullshit calls and fake dives.

  • If the players (as all humans) are not 100% perfect, and the referees, (as all humans) are not 100%, the errors do not "even out". Instead, the errors compound.

    Having better referees, in the form of tech assisted humans (like now) or completely automated referees using technology in general, and AI in particular, can only make the game better, not worse...

    • As an experiment, MLB tried automating ball/strike calls in a minor league game a couple of years ago. The game had an almost video game feel to it which wasn't enjoyable. Give me imperfect human officials every time.

  • ... at the slightest hint of a leg passing in their vicinity.
  • From a recent article in the Atlantic, https://www.theatlantic.com/ne... [theatlantic.com] "The return of the World Series this weekend offers an opportunity to engage in America’s real national pastime: wondering loudly why people don’t like baseball as much as they used to. Speaking personally, my relationship to the game these days is one of nostalgic befuddlement. The nostalgia part comes from spotless memories of watching Sunday Night Baseball on my parents’ couch, nestled between my dad and my dog: the chintzy ESPN graphics, the theme song that sounded straight out of a video game, the dulcet baritones of the announcers Jon Miller and Joe Morgan. The befuddlement part comes from the fact that, like a lot of people of my generation, I spend a weird amount of time wondering why I don’t spend any amount of time watching baseball anymore. Possible reasons abound. After the steroid scandals of the 2000s, the stars of my childhood got dragged onto C-SPAN, ceremonially berated for cheating by grumpy old dudes, and blacklisted from the Hall of Fame. Kind of a bummer, to be honest. But on a deeper level, I think what happened is that baseball was colonized by math and got solved like an equation. The analytics revolution, which began with the movement known as Moneyball, led to a series of offensive and defensive adjustments that were, let’s say, catastrophically successful. Seeking strikeouts, managers increased the number of pitchers per game and pushed up the average velocity and spin rate per pitcher. Hitters responded by increasing the launch angles of their swings, raising the odds of a home run, but making strikeouts more likely as well. These decisions were all legal, and more important, they were all correct from an analytical and strategic standpoint. Smarties approached baseball like an equation, optimized for Y, solved for X, and proved in the process that a solved sport is a worse one. The sport that I fell in love with doesn’t really exist anymore. In the 1990s, there were typically 50 percent more hits than strikeouts in each game. Today, there are consistently more strikeouts than hits. Singles have swooned to record lows, and hits per game have plunged to 1910s levels. In the century and a half of MLB history covered by the database Baseball Reference, the 10 years with the most strikeouts per game are the past 10. ---------------- Or take film. As with music, you could certainly make the case that the communications revolution has created an abundance of video content that, in the aggregate, is fantastically diverse. But although the rules for making a viral video, or a critically acclaimed film, are deeply complex, blockbuster movies look a lot like a solved equation. In 2019, the 10 biggest films by domestic box office included two Marvel sequels, two animated-film sequels, a reboot of a ’90s blockbuster, and a Batman spin-off. In 2022, the 10 biggest films by domestic box office included two Marvel sequels, one animated-film sequel, a reboot of a ’90s blockbuster, and a Batman spin-off. Correctly observing that audiences responded predictably to familiar intellectual property, studios invested in a strategy that has squeezed original IP from the top-10 charts. Blockbusters are kinda boring now, not because Hollywood is stupid, but because it got so smart. ---------------- Cultural Moneyballism, in this light, sacrifices exuberance for the sake of formulaic symmetry. ------------ Its genius dulls the rough edges of entertainment. I think that’s worth caring about. It is definitely worth asking the question: In a world that will only become more influenced by mathematical intelligence, can we ruin culture through our attempts to perfect it?"
  • Unless the sport is about the tech (e.g., cars).

    Or maybe turn it to the officiating to improve quality and consistency.

  • It's fouled all the major sports up. I don't mind the occasional in-game call challenge or when the referees want to look at a replay, but, when teams start building their squads/lineups based on numbers from Statcast-like services then it's gone too far (MLB I'm talking about you).

  • Look, fans disagree with referees all the time. When your team is losing, half the fun is yelling at the ref! Refs make mistakes, it's part of the game.

    Yelling at a computer ref is just as much as fun as yelling at a person. Without the risk of the ref getting assaulted by angry fans.

    This essay is stupid, the fact that the ref is now a computer that you disagree with rather than a person that you disagree with does not change the experience of playing or watching the game.

    But I am sure the author of t

  • by Dan East ( 318230 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @01:11PM (#63074506) Journal

    Replay / digital officiating is more conducive to other sports. Soccer is about motion and nearly continuous flow of play. It ebbs back and forth over a long period of time with less stoppages of play. Other sports, like American Football and baseball, are more conducive because they are play-based, with very discrete plays that each have some specific outcome.

    In American football, it is already a common thing for an official to throw a flag during a play, then when that play is over the officials huddle and discuss the penalty (or in some cases wave the flag off and not call any penalty at all). That is because this all happens after the fact, and there are many, many opportunities during a game to officiate what just happened after the fact and without affecting gameplay. So having a digital play review connects into the flow of the game perfectly fine.

    Same with baseball, with potentially calling pitches (strikes and balls) digitally, as well as overruling a call (like is a runner safe at a base). That is already in place (reviewing a call), and coaches actually have mechanisms to request such reviews and limits on how often they may do so.

    With soccer the general process seems more disruptive, and must interrupt play or reverse calls that are much, much less obvious. Generally, in American football or baseball, for example, it is very clear to spectators that it was a close call, and typically everyone (rooting for either team) expects that the play will be reviewed and may be reversed. With soccer it seems a lot of these calls are so subtle and sometimes unrelated to the play that it comes a shock when an offside pops up out of the blue that was not at all obvious to the average spectator (or official).

    • by Bahbus ( 1180627 )

      I would agree with you if most professional soccer players weren't gigantic pussies who would rather act than actually play. In fact, there are no respectable, professional, men's soccer players. All the respectable players are women, because the women actually play the game.

  • For VAR they could use a rule like cricket has. Each team gets three reviews per match, each failed review costs you one. That way only things where the team really thinks the call was wrong get reviewed.

    As far as offside goes soccer is a game of inches. No matter where you put the line there has to be a line.

  • You can't HANDLE the truth!
  • This is the innovation FIFA needs to make in order to make the Group stages less boring.

    No new technology required an they can implement it for free.

  • If it takes a machine to see it, then it is not a problem to players.
  • made it more entertaining than most other pro sports.

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