Slashdot is powered by your submissions, so send in your scoop

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
Transportation Communications The Media

Senator Urges Automakers to Keep Making Cars with AM Radio (boston.com) 320

The Boston Globe reports that U.S. Senator Ed. Markey just sent a letter to more than 20 car manufacturers asking them to continue including AM radios in future car models — including electric vehicles: Some EV manufacturers have raised concerns even as far back as 2016 about how the battery power of an EV can interfere with AM radio signals. However, Markey addressed these concerns saying, "car manufacturers appear to have developed innovative solutions to this problem."
"The last time I listened to AM radio was in the late 1970s," writes long-time Slashdot reader non-e-moose. "And then it was mostly because there were either no FM stations in reception range, or I was riding my bicycle and only had a transistor radio."

But the Senator sees it differently: AM radio has long been an important source of information for consumers. Before the COVID-19 pandemic, nearly 90 percent of Americans ages 12 and older — totaling hundreds of millions of people — listened to AM or FM radio each week, higher than the percentage that watch television (56 percent) or own a computer (77 percent).... Moreover, 33 percent of new car buyers say that AM radio is a very important feature in a vehicle — higher than dedicated Wi-Fi (31 percent), SiriusXM satellite radio (27 percent), and personal assistants such as Google Assistant (12 percent) and Amazon Alexa (9 percent). In other words, broadcast AM and FM radio remain an essential vehicle feature for consumers.

Moreover, broadcast AM radio, in particular, is a critical mechanism for government authorities to communicate with the public during natural disasters, extreme weather events, and other emergencies. AM radio operates at lower frequencies and has longer wavelengths than FM radio, so AM radio waves more easily pass through solid objects. As a result, AM radio signals can travel long distances, making them well-suited for broadcasting emergency alerts....

Despite innovations such as the smartphone and social media, AM/FM broadcast radio remains the most dependable, cost-free, and accessible communication mechanism for public officials to communicate with the public during times of emergency. As a result, any phase-out of broadcast AM radio could pose a significant communication problem during emergencies.... Given AM radio's importance for emergency communications and continued consumer demand, I urge your company to maintain the feature in its new vehicles...

This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

Senator Urges Automakers to Keep Making Cars with AM Radio

Comments Filter:
  • Tuner chip ... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Sunday December 04, 2022 @08:13PM (#63102706)

    The tuner chip is probably 50 cents and does both anyway.

    Personally, I'd be down with making the DIN slot great again. Provide a standard sized slot for the audio equipment, provide a standard interface to the steering wheel/voice/screen controls, allow the customer to be able to add what they need at will.

    The trend of integrated everything, run by the same screen or (worse), crappy-ass capacitative controls that are useless in cold weather, needs to die gurgling. That's one of the reasons why I prefer the Bolt EV (not EwwwV) over offerings from Tesla or VW -- it still has an interior without the ergonomic sins of those cars. Make a normal car that's electric; stop trying so hard to be fashionable or modern for the sake of modernity.

    • Modular is best indeed.

      My husband's 2017 Bolt EV features an external audio input, also. Just 1/8". No DIN. But it allowed for the installation of an aftermarket CD player. The car of course supports AM and FM from the factory.
      There are a lot of bugs in the infotainment unit, though.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 )
        The problem with that is money -- as it the automakers' money. They can't rip you off in five years selling you an entirely new car with an entirely new infotainment system (or OTA updates) if you have an option to "opt out."
        • GM isn't doing OTA updates on the Bolt. There are dealer software updates, but they are only for major stuff like recalls. I haven't seen any infotainment bugs fixed. The most annoying bug has to do with radio presets, actually. Sometimes you get duped presets, and you can't switch preset with the physical paddle, only with the touch screen. Only seems to happen with classical KDFC on FM. Other stations work fine.

        • by Corbets ( 169101 )

          The problem with that is money -- as it the automakers' money. They can't rip you off in five years selling you an entirely new car with an entirely new infotainment system (or OTA updates) if you have an option to "opt out."

          Who the hell buys a new car for a new infotainment system?

          I’ll certainly look for that as a feature, and its capabilities will impact my decision, but it will have zero to do with me buying a new car in the first place!

        • Re: Tuner chip ... (Score:5, Informative)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Monday December 05, 2022 @07:40AM (#63103630) Homepage Journal

          That doesn't seem to be the case, given that most of them support Android Auto and Apple Carplay.

          Those two are the new DIM slot. People just want a screen that their phone can display on, and use their existing cellular plan with instead of paying a subscription to the car manufacturer.

          I'm sure they will be happy to sell you over-priced updates, but once you have Android Auto/Carplay there really isn't much incentive to spend any money updating the built in system.

          • by madbrain ( 11432 )

            For some definition of "people". There is no reason you can't have both.

            My husband's 2017 Bolt EV has :
            1) Android auto / Apple carplay, that only works with the USB cable, not wireless.
            2) AM/FM tuner built-in
            3) a 1/8" external input audio jack for devices not built-in to the car

            Even though he's got a very nice Android phone, he never uses the Android auto. He uses Bluetooth only for phone calls.
            I know he listens to a lot of radio on it.
            And he uses the CD player for his 15,000 Vietnamese music CD collection,

    • actually... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by tiqui ( 1024021 ) on Monday December 05, 2022 @12:03AM (#63103108)

      Most of the vendors that used to make AM receiver chips have stopped and only sell FM receiver chips now - so it's a good thing no chips are required to make a good AM receiver.

      There's actually a dirty little secret here: The FCC has, as a basic justification for its existence, the duty to protect the AM, FM, and TV transmission bands from interference, and this is actually what killed some computer lines like the Radio Shack TRS-80 series. Back in the late '70s to early '80s the FCC upped its enforcement and regulations and both the Apple II and the TRS-80 interfered too much. To see what Atari did to pass the tests, get a look at all the metal under the hood of an old Atari 400 - prepare to be stunned if you've never seen it. Apple went to the Apple IIe (with RF coating added to the inside of the case) to get into compliance, but Radio Shack did not get their systems into compliance (probably lacked funding to do the engineering). Remember, THOSE computers were only running at a couple of MHz (NOBODY then was even imagining a microprocessor at gigahertz speeds). The modern PC is a far worse offender, but the huge PC makers came up with a work-around for the regulations (NOT an actual honest solution) - they have the clock circuits on modern very fast CPUs jitter about the desired frequency, thus scattering the noise enough to get through the specific FCC tests, but this scheme does indeed leave the PC cluttering-up the AM radio bands. There's also loopholes in the regs for digital noise emitted by circuits aboard vehicles (which cars ARE, of course). As a result, it can be hard to get a good AM signal near a modern PC or near the computers in cars (which makes it hard to make a good AM radio receiver in a modern car). Car makers would love to eliminate these receivers, in part because it saves a tiny bit of cash in a low-profit margin business, but also because it's difficult to make and integrate a good one that will not produce consumer complaints. Oh, and the FCC has essentially ignored the PC clock jitter scam because an entire industry which is vital to the nation has no practical work-around and is TECHNICALLY in compliance even though it is in violation, in spirit.

      • Re:actually... (Score:4, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05, 2022 @02:18AM (#63103282)

        You're about half right.

        It is often stated that Radio Shack was forced by the FCC to recall the Model I. That is incorrect and based on a misunderstanding of the FCC rules. The new FCC regulations applied only to hardware manufactured after January 1, 1981. Any non-certified product manufactured before that date could still be sold until July 1, 1982 as long as it displayed [a disclaimer] label:

        A longer version of the story can be found at http://www.trs-80.org/why-was-... [trs-80.org]

  • by NixieBunny ( 859050 ) on Sunday December 04, 2022 @08:16PM (#63102714) Homepage
    Whether or not it's listened to by most people, AM radio is indeed the best means of reaching people in an emergency. It has very broad coverage (especially at night) and receivers are already present in most all cars on the road. Our society has become so accustomed to the Internet working everywhere that we've forgotten about the simpler, more robust ways of getting messages out.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      But they'll have to sell it differently, e.g. Tell the US public that it's for when North Korea launches an attack or invades; They probably go for that. But don't tell them that it's really for when extreme weather events cause catastrophes & you need to reach the climate refugees... assuming that congress will agree to provide the funding to help people in their hour of need.
      • One major power outage later like Texas being black for a month in the winter and you'll figure out what works.

        • by hdyoung ( 5182939 ) on Sunday December 04, 2022 @10:47PM (#63103034)
          It would actually be a good thing if a few mega-outages like that would happen sooner rather than later. A lot of our infrastructure is being kept alive with bandaids and small fixes. I get it, it's the cheaper way. But a lot of severe weather is coming down the tubes and half our population has been programmed to disbelieve any possible change to our weather. The sooner that the red states see a few serious catastrophes, the sooner they'll start adapting. Not that the blue states are much better. They talk more reasonably about the issue but California's power grid is a mess and nobody wants to make the hard decisions.

          But it can't be some little hurricane that causes a weeks outages and a few billion dollars of damage. That'll be forgotten 24 hours after the power is restored. We need major infrastructure going down- affecting entire states - for like a month or more. That's the only thing that'll get people's attention.
    • Our society has become so accustomed to the Internet working everywhere that we've forgotten about the simpler, more robust ways of getting messages out.

      The part that is even more concerning, is the removal of options with regards to mass communication.

      We've already seen how social media can be absolutely abused on behalf of every political party. We shouldn't assume it's that hard to buy enough major ISPs to control and censor every narrative, especially when every other option to communicate is eradicated.

    • by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

      Even so, isn't a hand-cranked flashlight+radio a better emergency information device than relying on your car?

      I support keeping AM radio alive, but I don't necessarily think cars need to have it, as long as there's something functionally equal like free satellite radio. Both favor the same (non-music) programming because both sound like shit.

      The main down side of eliminating AM radios in cars would be that the talk and news content would migrate over to FM, crowding out an already paltry selection of music

    • by Corbets ( 169101 )

      It’s only good in an emergency if people actually listen to it.

      I struggle to imagine how bad things would have to be before I thought to find an old radio and crank it along a bunch of AM stations looking for news.

  • There are huge areas of the United States where streaming and/or FM radio simply don't exist. I would postulated that there are probably as many square miles where that is true, as there where it isn't. Unfortunately for the few people in those areas, they represent perhaps 1% of the US population. Should we require Automakers to continue putting in AM radio to support that 1%? I kinda have a problem with that....

    • Pittsburgh and Las Vegas have never had a full FM market... and XM provides some "first local service" to those areas.

    • by LeeLynx ( 6219816 ) on Sunday December 04, 2022 @11:40PM (#63103082)
      Exactly - this country isn't for those people. We should probably stop bothering to build roads, deliver mail, and provide emergency services to them as well. That will teach them to live someplace you don't.
  • Most AM radio station snow have either FM or FM-HD simulcasts with much stronger signals.

    Around here Boston's Conservative Talk 1200 (WXKS) and Liberal Talk WKRO are hidden on WZLX's HD channels 100.7. Boston's NewsRadio WBZ finds a better sounding signal on Kiss 108's HD channel, WXKS-HD2.
    Out of Worcester, News/Talk 580 WTAG has a local FM Repeater on 94.9, and a further reaching signal on WSRS-HD2.
    In my local WFGL 960 is heard on FM at 106.1, and WPKZ 1280 is heard on 105.3.

    All 6 of my AM presets have FM

    • FM and (especially FM-HD) have much shorter range than AM. You're in the Boston area, which isn't (say) rural Nebraska or Wyoming. Moreover, FM-HD (and digital shit in general) don't fail gracefully, with a gradual increase in static -- they stutter, then cut out entirely.
  • Good reasons (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sjames ( 1099 ) on Sunday December 04, 2022 @08:46PM (#63102806) Homepage Journal

    This isn't about hearing talk radio or some sort of nostalgia kick. This is about emergency communication.

    AM is simple (that's why we had it first). It's simple to transmit and simple to receive. Though few remember, a graphite pencil, a safety pin, a razor blade, and an old piezo earphone will work if that's all you can get.

    Basic spark gap transmitters present few requirements if you don't care about staying on your assigned frequency or in any sort of fidelity (or just do CW). In an emergency, that's fine.

    It's also easy to transmit for a long distance (for example, from outside of the disaster stricken area).

    • by Ichijo ( 607641 )

      AM gets a bad rap because it's all mono... except it also supports stereo [wikipedia.org], even HD. [wikipedia.org]

    • AM in cars is not about entertainment. It's about traffic and safety broadcast communications. It just so happened that over the years, AM radio broadcast music and talk entertainment programs. That's fine if you want to listen to them, but the AM in cars is about how backed up the interchange is or what route to take if there is an emergency. That's why there are traffic signs that say "Tune to AM 1250 for traffic info"...
  • Haven't they learnt anything from what Rush Limbaugh did to them through AM Radio
    • by tiqui ( 1024021 )

      Markey is quite liberal/progressive, is quite aware of Limbaugh and tried to regulate him off the air, BUT Markey's also honest and keeping an eye on the national interest. Unlike many on both the right and left, Markey is (in this subject, at least) trying to do what's best for the country.

      AM radio, in the US, is vital to many people. If you ever find yourself in rural America, with no electricity, in a storm shelter, in the middle of the night and in midst of a rash of tornadoes which have ripped down tel

  • by shubathu ( 10245146 ) on Sunday December 04, 2022 @09:13PM (#63102866)
    It might seem like an irrelevant technology, but rural communities and in particular Native communities depend on radio, especially for emergency management. The non-profit, Native Public Media, states: Native radio and television stations play a vital role in promoting the safety, sovereignty, and stability of Native communities. These broadcast facilities provide vital information upon which Tribal citizens can make informed decisions. Stations share this information through storytelling, hyperlocal news, civic engagement, and emergency communications for predominately rural and remote tribal lands. Fifty-eight Tribal radio stations, and three television stations, benefit from NPM programs in regulatory compliance, governance, technical assistance, training, policymaking, and operations development. https://www.nativepublicmedia.... [nativepublicmedia.org]
  • “AM radio operates at lower frequencies and has longer wavelengths than FM radio, so AM radio waves more easily pass through solid objects”

    AM frequencies travel longer distances because they can bounce off the ionosphere. FM need line of sight to the receiver.
    • by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

      The ionospheric propagation of the MW band is more of a drawback than an asset though, as it ensures you can never entirely get rid of interference merely by being far away from a station. The main benefit of AM is that the receivers can be dead simple (though they often aren't, now). FM requires a bit more skill to demodulate, and SSB needs very tight tuning to be tolerable. Neither one is terribly difficult now, but if there was something like another Carrington Event, it would be a lot easier to hack tog

  • Some EV manufacturers have raised concerns ... about how the battery power of an EV can interfere with AM radio signals

    Well, it is not the "battery power" that causes the interference, it is some of the electronics in the car that controls the charging and discharging of the battery. And this interference is easily cured by a few capacitors and a few RF coils wound on torroidal ferrite cores. But of course, adding those essential components would cost the manufacturer a few extra dollars, and so they
  • by ukoda ( 537183 ) on Sunday December 04, 2022 @10:09PM (#63102978) Homepage
    I was involved with development of an infotainment for use in the Air Stream RV about 6 years ago. During the product specification phase there was debate over the inclusion of AM. While the cost is not high it is not zero and there is technical risks around noise, such as that from switch mode PSUs inside the system.

    In our discussion the common view was almost no one uses AM anymore. That was certainly the case here in New Zealand where the project was undertaken. However the counter argument was in the USA that AM was still used for the broadcast of local sports, such as what they call football there. As result it was seen as product requirement and was included. Suitable consideration and testing was taken to ensure it worked with reasonable performance. The extra cost per unit was near nothing but it did add to the product development time.
    • by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

      If you're marketing primarily in North America, including AM is a good idea. An RV in particular is likely to end up in an area where there's no FM reception, but they can still get AM. However, if you make the head unit replaceable, it's not really that big of a deal if it doesn't do everything for everyone. People change the stereos in their cars all the time, I don't see why an RV would be any different.

      • by ukoda ( 537183 )
        The replaceability side is driven by the vehicle manufacture, in Air Stream's case Mercedes. To Mercedes' credit they did allow different stereos but the reversing signal for backing cameras was only on a CAN bus, not a physical line, so general after market units would usually be feature limited. Also the plastics need custom made to suit the existing plastics if you wanted it to look reasonable. Basically just a hassle.

        I generally like vehicles with standard double DIN slots but they are becoming in
  • by istartedi ( 132515 ) on Sunday December 04, 2022 @10:32PM (#63103018) Journal

    Predictably, plenty of voices here saying that AM is an obsolete cesspool of (mostly right wing) politics. They're leaving out that it also has local traffic, news, and will break in for anything truly earth-shattering like a disaster. The reach of AM signals is also farther than FM, even though the quality might not be as high. Receivers are so dirt simple, every kid who's interested in electronics builds one with a few simple parts--a "crystal set" doesn't even require power to pull in some stations. Transmitters are not that much more complicated.

    At any rate, I defy anybody to tell me that the SNR for AM radio content isn't generally better than the Internet. If anything, the Internet fed the trolls on AM radio, not the other way around. You might just live in a sucky market, too.

    There are plenty of towns with established AM stations pumping out vital information, as well as the occasional local sports play-by-play. Don't be so quick to throw it all away.

    If nothing else, its simplicity makes it immune from the kind of walled garden locked-downs or suckscription models you get with other media. We're supposed to fight that, aren't we? AM is AMmunition against such control.

  • by Kiliani ( 816330 ) on Sunday December 04, 2022 @10:34PM (#63103022)

    Emergency preparedness at least in the USA relies too much on vulnerable "high tech". And I don't mean the cell phone alert system - I mean that emergency services for "real" disasters rely too heavily on satellite communications. That "silly" scene in "Independence Day", when the Americans Morse code other nations that they are planning a counter offensive is not all that silly. If you think about it, it takes a few more brain cells to operate a radio (voice – I am not necessarily advocate using Morse code) than operating a satellite phone, but even if all infrastructure is gone, you can establish radio links, even if it means hand cranking a little generator. So, from that point of view, keeping radio communication capabilities wide-spread may seem quaint, but it is also smart. For disclosure, I usually listen to FM - better sound quality. And no data plan required ;-) But I also own some shortwave receivers, so call me biased.

    Just my 2 cents.

    • by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

      I bought a radio alarm clock, a fairly modern one branded as Amazon Basics (though I didn't buy it from Amazon), and overall I am very happy with it. The display is big and dimmable, it's easy to set the time and both alarms (it has two, which is nice), and it even has a USB charging port for anything that's happy with 500mA of current. But the radio side is FM only. Just a couple years ago this would have been a bother in that I'd prefer to have my alarm give me news and weather, not music, but now there a

  • Putting the decoder of the signal into the radio is pennies at most. The antenna is going to be a loop of non trivial size that has to be put somewhere. I suspect the car manufacturers just want to simplify their designs by eliminating the antenna.
  • The only actual news (not talk) station left in Southern California is KNX 1070 on the AM dial. Just news, no talk. The rest are just endless crap talk radio like 640 or 600. There's also KPBS, but that's half whimsical digressions. If I want to reliably get the news when I'm in my car, KNX is the only place I get it.

    Of course if the car could do streaming from Audacity then it's available there too.

    • by tiqui ( 1024021 )

      I've listened to KNX as my in-car goto radio station since I stumbled on it in the early '80s. It's based in Los Angeles but can be picked up on any radio as far south as the Mexican border. Unlike most SoCal AM stations, KNX seems to have not reduced its transmission power.

  • I agree that AM Radio is absolutely vital. I think that we have become far too complacent about the fragility of the internet. If there was any kind of real, high-level war, it would be very easy for another country to cripple the internet infrastructure. An increasingly large percentage of people would be mostly dumbfounded without access to the internet. And I'm not talking about like when your home internet has a hiccup and you have to use your phone instead, I'm talking about no internet at all. Pe
    • by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

      I'm not so worried about war taking out comms. Russia can't manage to keep Ukrainians offline, even with hundreds of expensive cruise missiles. I'm more worried about another Carrington Event hitting the entire planet at once, rather than anything regional. I'd argue it even makes some sense to learn Morse code, since that's probably the way the very first transmissions would be sent after such an event. But I could cobble together an AM receiver in a couple hours using stuff from my spare parts bin, even i

  • by R3d M3rcury ( 871886 ) on Monday December 05, 2022 @12:03AM (#63103110) Journal

    "The last time I listened to AM radio was in the late 1970s," writes long-time Slashdot reader non-e-moose. "And then it was mostly because there were either no FM stations in reception range, or I was riding my bicycle and only had a transistor radio."

    You would listen to the music on the AM Radio... [youtube.com]

  • I had impression everyone under 50 has no idea of RF devices below 500 MHz (exception of those in a job or hobby that deals with such RF gear). The statistics of nearly 90 percent of Americans ages 12 and older listened to AM or FM radio before pandemic. I wonder how much it changed after. AM radio is useful for localized traffic info and doesn't need an account or enter password to activate.

If money can't buy happiness, I guess you'll just have to rent it.

Working...