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Google Institutional Investor Calls For 30K Jobs Cut 135

The billionaire hedge fund manager that runs a major Google investor isn't satisfied with the record 12,000 redundancies the US tech giant is making, and wants to see thousands more forced out of the organization. From a report: Estimated to be worth around $8 billion, Sir Christopher Hohn reportedly paid himself $1.8 million a day last year and is the boss of The Children's Investment Fund. He had already agitated for change in November when he implored Google execs to cut costs by reducing headcount, paying staff less, and killing off profitless business.

Whether Google listened to TCI Fund or not is a moot point, but Sundar Pichai last week confirmed that 12,000 of its employees were to be booted because it hired heavily during the pandemic for a "different economic reality to the one we face today." Yesterday, he told a town hall meeting of Googlers that not hiring risked losing business. Google's workforce went from 120,000 in 2020 to nearly 187,000 at the end of September, and it is now under pressure due to slowing sales and shrinking profits. Hohn at TCI now wants to see even more dramatic action taken by senior management. "Over the last five years, [Google parent] Alphabet has more than doubled its headcount, adding over 100,000 employees, of which over 30,000 were added in the first nine months of 2022 alone," he said in the latest letter to Pichai.
Hohn adds, "The decision to cut 12,000 jobs is a step in the right direction, but it does not even reverse the very strong headcount growth of 2022. Ultimately management will need to go further. [...] Importantly, management should also take the opporunity to address excessive employee compensation. The media salary at Alphabet in 2021 amounted to nearly $300,000, and the average salary is much higher. "
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Google Institutional Investor Calls For 30K Jobs Cut

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  • for the people that are left 50-60 Hours an week will be the basic level we want out of out.
    And at times be ready to put in 80-90

    • by vyvepe ( 809573 )
      Google can do it if it wants to kill itself :)
      You cannot force knowledge workers to be productive with overtimes. The only result of (big) overtimes over extended period is that the workforce will be goofing off while on clock.
    • by shanen ( 462549 )

      Nice FP, though I think that long working hours will be optional. At least for the employees who are able to devise new automated systems to support more job cuts.

      Much as I enjoy all of my computerized toys and the Internet and all that jazz, I'm beginning to think the Luddites were onto something.

    • by ranton ( 36917 )

      They could also decide to just reduce spending at Google and focus on their core products.

      One of the critical questions for a company like Google is whether they should be focused on dividends to investors or future growth. 81.3% of Google's revenue came from advertising in 2021. I doubt 81.3% of their expenses are related to search and advertising. A Business Insider article [businessinsider.com] mentioned an estimate for online advertising's profit margin of 55%. That is about $82 billion they could be paying out in dividends

    • LOL no. Google employees won't be doing that. If Google fires them there are countless other companies that will hire them, and at a higher salary.

      • If Google fires them there are countless other companies that will hire them, and at a higher salary.

        Not if you believe what those other companies are saying that a recession is coming up which is why they're laying off people.

        Either that, or we'll still hear companies whine they can't find people to fill jobs.

        Take your pick.
      • If a hiring decision is made purely on the last place someone worked, you must hire some pretty shitty people.

        I know several useless engineers that got hired at Google over the last 5 years so they could make a career out of doing the absolute minimum and hiding in the herd. They couldn't get away with it in smaller organizations.

    • This is why you don't go to work for the shiny tech company - they know they're shiny and they're going to abuse you.

      Find a funded startup that's been around a few years and has a good revenue stream and chunk of cash in the bank - you'll get comparable salary and benefits that matter, and usually a whole lot less bullshit and overreaching expectations. And, very likely an organization that respects individuals and their time far more than Google will.

    • by xeoron ( 639412 )
      How about instead of stock buy backs fire now one. They cut 2.5 billion in job costs but last year did over 50B in stock buy backs...The math says they can afford the workers.
  • by WankerWeasel ( 875277 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @02:31PM (#63240094)

    Won't someone think of The Children's.... Investment Fund!?

    • This man's saving the childrens. I bet he even shoots people who watch weird porn. For this we can excuse the other childrens he's stomping on with his carbon footprint.

    • by sfcat ( 872532 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @03:20PM (#63240223)
      Honestly this name is a great lesson. Certain words in the names of certain organizations are red flags. Doing something "for the children" is almost certainly going to be something evil. Same as the names of countries. If democratic or people is in the name, that country isn't like to be democratic and their government likely rarely thinks of "the people".
      • by Rujiel ( 1632063 )
        You called it. I bet this guy's org "helps" kids the same way that the UN and the Clinton foundation have both "helped" Haiti..
  • by xanthos ( 73578 ) <xanthos&toke,com> on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @02:33PM (#63240100)
    As an outside investor all he sees is that a cut of 10-15% of Google's staff will increase the amount of money available for stock dividends. Doesn't matter if the staff is actually needed or not or what those staff cuts will do to the morale of the remaining workers, just as long as Google remembers that its primary mission is to make the wealthy wealthier.
    • I think he forgets that those employees are doing work that brings in money for the company. Clueless investors have more money than brains. Let's fire the people that are making the company successful! No wonder old firms die off to new tech startups, they think backwards.
      • by youngone ( 975102 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @02:58PM (#63240172)
        You might be right, but he may well just not care. He's an "activist investor" so he doesn't have the long-term health of the company in mind at all.
      • I think he forgets that those employees are doing work that brings in money for the company.

        Are they, though? This is Google we're talking about - they spend more money on shit they plan to cancel in 6 months then some businesses spend on core product development.

        • by Local ID10T ( 790134 ) <ID10T.L.USER@gmail.com> on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @06:05PM (#63240815) Homepage

          You don't understand R&D investment.

          It is the same concept as venture capital. Invest a little in every idea. If it seems like it might work, invest more. If it flops, stop spending money on it.

          It only takes one success to pay for all of the flops. So far Google has had several successes.

          • Oh, I understand it. And that was my point. This dipshit "activist investor" doesn't have anywhere near the level of information he needs to be declaring that Google should cut 70k employees. He doesn't know what any of those people are working on, where any of that fits into future product roadmaps, or even existing product maintenance and development which keeps the money flowing in.

            He's a total fuckwit who is concerned that his investment isn't growing in value at the rate HE wants, so he's trying to

    • by pete6677 ( 681676 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @03:22PM (#63240243)

      And he'll start divesting his shares right after the stock bump takes place. Google would be well advised to tell him to fuck right off.

    • by Train0987 ( 1059246 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @03:34PM (#63240305)

      Google has never paid a dividend on their stock. You could've bothered to look that up

    • Not only outside investor, but holds 0.27% of stock per the article.

      It's the flea telling the dog it's riding on to change its diet.
      • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

        Not only outside investor, but holds 0.27% of stock per the article.

        It's the flea telling the dog it's riding on to change its diet.

        The way I like to look at it is this: for every share of stock that this parasite owns, Google employees collectively own at least 10, in all likelihood.

      • Dude poached some publicity. Easy target. Google RIF somewhat modest. Google might need todo more if economy stalls. But Google will assess more carefully and decide. The outsider just making a provocative PR. Sadly now it could work to boost investor confidence and drive up share price. Next use the spare cash for share buybacks.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @04:42PM (#63240569) Homepage Journal

      This is why you need strong employment rights. Rich arseholes should not be able to simply discard you because it makes them sightly richer for a few quarters.

    • Funny how what we call investors are what we used to call lords. We are slowly going back to middle age.
    • $300K income workers are also wealthy in the US.
      That level of talent can easily migrate or, even better, form startups while enjoying their severance benefits.

      Google employees are very, very far from the sharecroppers Walker Evans photographed in the Great Depression.

      • by bn-7bc ( 909819 )
        Yea with an equivalent income you are well off here in Norway as well, and I would imagine quite a few other places in the world. Btw is that nuber pre or post taxes? I'm
    • Impossible and never gonna happen, but to me it would be an incredibly interesting social experiment to see how Google employees may react to *everyone* getting a 15% paycut instead of the layoffs. If it were put to a vote, how do you think it would turn out?
  • Cutting (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rpnx ( 8338853 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @02:33PM (#63240102)
    Not sure cutting jobs is a great idea for Google. Google already had an outage in ads right after these cuts. No doubt cutting staff contributed to knowledge loss. Google did overhire but layoffs have negative impacts beyond just reversing hiring. Generally I think it's a bad idea to engage in indiscriminate layoffs like this. Damages morale and leaves tasks in a confused state which costs productivity. Also increases attrition a lot. Would have been smarter to "eat the losses" in the short term for longer term stability, but I'm not the CEO of Google, so oh well. Google is bowing to bean counters who will inevitably kill the company off because they only understand the bottom line and not long term strategy.
    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @03:08PM (#63240203)
      it's supposed to be good for this single individual. He could care less what's good for Google. He's completely divorced from the economy at large by the insane amounts of wealth he commands.

      I suspect what he's doing this with *all* the companies he owns. Google's just the one we heard about. He's hoping layoffs will trigger interest rate cuts, which would be substantially more valuable to him than the damage he's doing to Google and the lives of their engineers.

      This is what happens when you worship the rich and let them have unlimited power. You'd think we'd have learned our lesson with the Robber Barons of the 1920s. Money is power, power corrupts. We all know that. But for some reason we're perfectly cool with one guy having this much power over us because "it's his".
  • by S_Stout ( 2725099 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @02:36PM (#63240114)
    The Mountain View campus and the San Francisco tower are basically resorts. I don't know how much work actually gets done there but I imagine very little, hence the massive Google Graveyard for all their product failures. When Google loses their online ad business they are completely screwed, Android and GCP do not make them enough money to warrant their current environment.
    • by Ungrounded Lightning ( 62228 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @03:44PM (#63240347) Journal

      The Mountain View campus and the San Francisco tower are basically resorts. I don't know how much work actually gets done there but I imagine very little, ...

      I haven't experienced employment at Google specifically. But I have gone through experiences with similar employment benefits in the past. They have been a Silicon Valley tradition at least since one of the wives of the Hewitt Packard founders made a practice of stocking a refrigerator with homemade sandwiches for the workers, and they are a significant part of the Valley's success.

      My rule of thumb (and I've been though this several times): When the company has been providing a free dinner (all the time or in the work crush leading up to some deadline), and the bean-counters stop this as a cost-saving measure, expect massive layoffs and/or bankrupcy protection filings within a year.

      The dinners cost a bit. But it's a drop in the bucket compared to their benefits.

      With the dinners, a large number of the most productive chow down and then go back to work, refreshed, often for several more hours, until at a good stopping point or too tired to continue, or sometimes just for a couple hours until rushhour traffic clears. This is very productive time, because they are already "on a roll", with "state loaded" mentally, rather than having to come up to speed again after sleep and inbound commute.

      Cut off the dinners, and everybody quits and goes home or out to eat when they get hungry - and then don't come back. (Sure some of them might have been chowing down and then going right home. But that's usually only a few and they tend to be looked down on.) The workers are exempt salaried, i.e. no overtime. So it is like cutting, say, a quarter of the workforce without cutting the payroll by a cent. The cost of the dinners is a drop in the bucket by comparison.

      Of course the bean-counters are mainly tempted to do this when the company is already having a financial dip that might be visible at earnings announcement time. So it's like trying to use a tanker of gasoline to put out a wastebasket fire in a lumber yard.

  • Basic research (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TWX ( 665546 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @02:38PM (#63240118)

    "...and killing off profitless business"

    I'm betting that he'll happily kill off all of Google's basic research, as it's not right now turning a profit.

    And then five years from now he'll trash on Google as he sells his shares, because Google isn't innovating and is being left behind in the tech sector.

    • by Monoman ( 8745 )

      Yep. Research is a "cost center" that doesn't make the company money therefore it must go. Said another person only focused on short term gains.

    • That's why smart companies don't listen to activist in(f)vestors. They are in it purely for themselves, and only while they can make money. They'd bail in an instant once the company started suffering from the cuts they demanded, on to their next fattened cow.

    • Uh, no. Teachers should get paid $1 million .. but we don't get paid according to what we "deserve" as a human .. we get paid according to how badly someone needs us to do a service. There is no reason why a fast food worker "deserves" less pay than a senior software developer. The fast food worker might be a decent guy and the software dev might be a prick, yet society is rewarding the software dev with luxuries. That's just how the world works, we get paid based on how rare and needed our skills/talents a

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @02:38PM (#63240120)
    Jerome Powell has said repeatedly he won't cut rates until there are mass layoffs. So the 1%ers are pushing for massive job cuts to appease him.

    The only question is why aren't you made that a handful of super rich assholes are trying to get you fired for no good reason?
    • Makes more sense than what they did previously... how could they justify hiring 40% more people since 2020? That's just nuts.
      • and other AI tools are threatening to eat their lunch. If they don't stay ahead of that curve they'll be a Sun Microsystems style has-been in 10 years.
    • Find me the quote where Powell actually says âoeuntil there are mass layoffs.â

      He has never said that.

      • You can literally Google for "Jerome Powell causes layoffs" and pick your favorite article. What do you think the head of the Federal reserve is talking about a handful of layoffs when he says he's not going to lower interest rates until he sees those layoffs? Do you think somebody who is pulling the levers at a national level is looking for just a little bit of people like you to be fired?

        Why are you defending him? Wants to get you fired too you know. I don't care if you're an American or not he wants
    • While that maybe true... I honestly wonder about what boatloads of Google, Microsoft, and Amazon "engineers" were doing. Add the recent layoffs to crypto winter and estimates I've read 200,000 plus jerbs were lost. I think were looking at job value inflation. Each additional person is adding less value. Look at how easy it is to steal high end Korean cars according to what is popular with 14 year olds on TikTok, so I'm told. They should have all the money in the world to deliver shoddy engineering? It's a
    • Are you sure he didn't mean that he'd stop once there were signs that we were entering a recession, such as mass layoffs?
  • by geekmux ( 1040042 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @02:39PM (#63240126)

    "Sir Christopher Hohn reportedly paid himself $1.8 million a day last year...implored Google execs to cut costs by reducing headcount, paying staff less, and killing off profitless business."

    Ah, I'm sure the fired employees who use their money to put food in their childrens mouths are welcome to cost cutting measures coming from the arrogant billionaire fuck making so much money per day he literally couldn't burn it all and keep up.

    I wonder how much longer the world will continue to tolerate arrogance coming from institutions the planet can easily live without. As much collective hate is sustained against "No Evil" Google, we sure as FUCK don't need hedge funds betting against capitalist success in a corrupt attempt to define their own.

    • by youngone ( 975102 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @03:05PM (#63240195)
      A friend of mine was eating in a restaurant recently when his former local MP arrived. This guy is widely reviled due to some dreadful decisions he made which made everyone's life worse.
      The owner of the restaurant told him to find somewhere else to eat, as "you're not welcome here". I hope this Sir Christopher Hohn is refused service too.
    • by lsllll ( 830002 )

      coming from the arrogant billionaire fuck making so much money per day he literally couldn't burn it all and keep up.

      $1.8 millions a day amounts to 180 x 10K stacks of $100. Let's assume he spends just 3 hours an evening in front of a fireplace, drinking 50 year old Balvenie [binnys.com] and reading True Lovers' Knot [amazon.com] in front of the fire. That's less than one stack of $100 per minute he needs to burn. It's completely doable.

    • Meanwhile, heâ(TM)s given almost as much to The Childrenâ(TM)s Investment fund as heâ(TM)s kept for himself and is considered one of the world's most generous philanthropists outside of the US.

      • One of the few things I ever heard Bill Gates say that I wholeheartedly agree with was when he said someone like him giving millions or even billions to charity shouldn't be considered a greater philanthropist than the guy with barely enough to put food on the table giving paltry sums to the local food bank. I can't understand defending ultra-rich assholes when they make public statements that amount to, "Fuck the little guy. Let them starve. Gimme more." Do they really need more? Are they gonna die if thei

  • by rknop ( 240417 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @02:50PM (#63240148) Homepage

    It's always rich when a billionaire complains about excessive employee compensation.

  • We need to make the difference between what a company should do, versus what the cowboy investors would like to happen to temporarily decrease expenditures to make stock values go up. The latter risks forfeiting medium to long term health of a company, by losing the most important talent.

    At the same time, I'd be curious to see what damage may or not be done to Google if they went with the opinions of the "billionaire hedge fund manager".

  • by nucrash ( 549705 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @02:52PM (#63240154)

    Another day, more proof that late stage capitalism is in full effect.

    • You mean that imaginary thing invented by Socialists desperate to promote a system that failed so spectacularly that tens of millions of people were systematically slaughtered to try and keep it afloat through the 20th century? Sorry, but no, I'm not buying into the criticisms laid by people who support the systems instituted by Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol-Pot, and Mussolini.

      The Capitalist-Democratic political economy has dramatically improved the lot of humanity across the board. Socialism has brought h

  • by magzteel ( 5013587 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @02:56PM (#63240166)

    Get rid of the DEI staff, they cost a lot and are a drag on productivity

  • Median salary 300k?! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @03:06PM (#63240197) Homepage

    If true, that is at least 33%, and more like 50% too high.

    There was a comment thread a few weeks ago discussing salary. A junior dev ought to earn under 100k. A senior dev can head towards 200k. All the clerks, data analysts, accountant and marketing types should be earning less than senior devs.

    So..how can half of Googles be earning 300k or more?

    • by The Faywood Assassin ( 542375 ) <benyjr AT yahoo DOT ca> on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @03:19PM (#63240215) Homepage

      Who are you to dictate what someone "should" be paid?

      If you earned $300k would you be arguing that you should be paid less? Or are you the exception because your work is work that money? Half of Google is being paid $300k because it was decided that their job is worth it.

      It is comical, if not downright evil that someone who is earning $500 million per year is demanding people be paid *less* or not at all.

      This idea that if someone is earning more that *I* am, they clearly are overpaid or don't deserve it is there so we regulate ourselves and don't see that these gold hoarding dragons are siphoning off money that we should be rightfully be earning.

    • by sfcat ( 872532 )

      So..how can half of Googles be earning 300k or more?

      Value of stock options due to the growth of Google's (Alphabet's) stock price. That isn't salary. Also, it is very likely that many of those employees will never see a cent of that money.

      • by ljw1004 ( 764174 )

        Value of stock options due to the growth of Google's (Alphabet's) stock price. That isn't salary. Also, it is very likely that many of those employees will never see a cent of that money.

        Stock *options* or stock *grants*?

        I don't know about Google, but I know that Microsoft and Meta pay in stock grants, not stock options. A stock grant is usually awarded once a year and has the form "$100k will buy 415 shares in Microsoft, so over the next five years of employment we will give you 415/5=83 shares; upon receipt of those shares you can do with them what you will, including selling them immediately." Since you get awarded a stock grant once a year, they pile up, and would average out at $100k/y

    • by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @03:42PM (#63240339)

      Uh, no. Teachers should get paid $1 million .. but we don't get paid according to what we "deserve" as a human .. we get paid according to how badly someone needs us to do a service. There is no reason why a fast food worker "deserves" less pay than a senior software developer. The fast food worker might be a decent guy and the software dev might be a prick, yet society is rewarding the software dev with luxuries. That's just how the world works, we get paid based on how rare and needed our skills/talents are -- other factors don't matter..

    • by ljw1004 ( 764174 )

      There was a comment thread a few weeks ago discussing salary. A junior dev ought to earn under 100k. A senior dev can head towards 200k.

      Wages are a distribution, not a number. Google's HR has detailed information wage distribution in each market where it hires. Google's intent -- which they fulfilled -- is to pay at the 90th percentile. (Microsoft by contrast aims and achieves 60th percentile).

      Your numbers "a junior dev ought to earn under 100k" -- are you talking about the median of that distribution, or the max, or something else? Or are you saying that Google should pay at the 50th percentile? I don't think it's even meaningful to talk a

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    • cost of living, was that factored anywhere in to this discussion? It makes a world of difference, you cant just throw around numbers willy nilly across the country and have them stick. If you paid a senior dev 200k in SV they should walk because they are being grossly short changed by ~100k because thats equivalent to 100k or less in the rest of the non SF/NYC areas of the country. They could be earning much more somewhere else due to cost of living

  • I'm confused (Score:5, Interesting)

    by alispguru ( 72689 ) <bob.bane@ m e . c om> on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @03:17PM (#63240211) Journal

    As near as I know [investopedia.com], Google/Alphabet's shares are set up so that Larry and Sergei have control, full stop.

    The opinions of institutional investors are just that, opinions - their voting power is nil compared to the founders.

    So, why is this dude's opinion news?

  • Compensation (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Areyoukiddingme ( 1289470 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @03:25PM (#63240259)

    Importantly, management should also take the opporunity to address excessive employee compensation. The median salary at Alphabet in 2021 amounted to nearly $300,000, and the average salary is much higher.

    This is some of the early consequences of California's salary transparency law. This dickhead was fine with Google's aggregate salary expenditure when he thought 90% of it was going to the top 10% most highly compensated executives. When he found out that mere plebes are being paid, now he takes issue with it.

    As if $300k is some huge amount, given California prices, particularly real estate prices.

    • by Rujiel ( 1632063 )
      The wage transparency thing is still an advancement by way of unmasking. Though I'm sure it will be gamed.
  • .... check
    Runs a children's "aid" org.. check. The guy sounds like a trafficker for sure.

  • Didn't Page and Brin retain majority of the voting shares to prevent this kind of nonsense from interfering with the business? I know they've kind of ghosted the company as far as the day to day goes, but maybe it's time they step up a bit
  • by NotEmmanuelGoldstein ( 6423622 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @03:59PM (#63240413)

    Competition for talent in the technology industry has fallen ...

    Since employees have lost their leverage, Alphabet/Google should give more money to investors.

    Note that he is demanding all well-paid employees are dismissed, not unprofitable internal business units, not the new hires but the ones who have spent years building the products, Google sells: This is MBA 101, a rule that rarely works well but is invoked when a business is out of options. He does not say why Google is out of options, which would be contrary to available data, even with a recession looming.

  • Save my $1 billion, do you know how tough life is living on a mere $9 billion? Who cares if some families get into hardship and lose their home, it can't be worse than what I am going through having to live on a mere $9 billion.

  • by sonoronos ( 610381 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @06:56PM (#63240971)

    There is no way that Google hired so many people based on some poor estimate of where the economy is headed .

    The real reason why companies like Google do this is to create labor turnover. It is no mistake. They hire a whole bunch of new people, wait a few years to see which are the best, then fire useless / unproductive staff.

  • Why is he shorting himself?

  • Sir Christopher Hohn reportedly paid himself $1.8 million a day last year and is the boss of The Children's Investment Fund.

    Imagine how many more children could be helped if he settled for a more modest paycheck himself.

  • The laid-off hoards couldn't have been mostly dullards.

    Isn't Google management suppose to be smart enough to figure out what an employee is good at,
    have them do it, and sell it with their boundless reach and surface area?

    I do not think that everything possible in software today is done so we're all waiting around
    because there's too many engineers. Or put 30,000 more in QA fixing bugs and killing cruft.

  • So they hired 100K people in 5 years and still can't beat OpenAI's chatGPT with 300 people? I bet they could put 100K people to be artificial AIs ( answer questions manually ) and still come ahead of OpenAI in chatbots.
  • MANY of these engineers are going to start businesses which will directly compete with Google over the coming decades in many ways. The more people you fire the more likely one of them creates the Google-killer. But for some people it's worth strangling the cash cow for the penny that rolled under its hoof..

  • If he's using his own money to buy Google stock and push for changes, fine. But this is an "institutional investor". A hedge-fund manager. So, he probably isn't using his own money to demand things go his way, but that of his investors. People that could even include those he wants fired.

    Something is wrong about that. We should look into curtailing the influence a guy like this can wield and make sure that power belongs to the individual investors, not the fund's manager.

  • Preferably, right at the neck of all the execs.

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