Japan, Netherlands To Join US in Chip Controls on China (bloomberg.com) 43
Japan and the Netherlands are poised to join the US in limiting China's access to advanced semiconductor machinery, forging a powerful alliance that will undercut Beijing's ambitions to build its own domestic chip capabilities, Bloomberg News reported Friday, citing people familiar with the negotiations. From the report: US, Dutch and Japanese officials are set to conclude talks as soon as Friday US time on a new set of limits to what can be supplied to Chinese companies, the people said, asking not to be named because the talks are private. Negotiations were ongoing as of late Thursday in Washington. There is no plan for a public announcement of restrictions that will likely be just implemented, the people said.
The Netherlands will expand restrictions on ASML Holding NV, which will prevent it from selling at least some of its so-called deep ultraviolet lithography machines, crucial to making some types of advanced chips and without which attempts to set up production lines may be impossible. Japan will set similar limits on Nikon. The joint effort expands on restrictions the Biden administration unveiled in October that were aimed at curtailing China's ability to manufacture its own advanced semiconductors or buy cutting-edge chips from abroad that would aid military and artificial-intelligence capabilities.
The Netherlands will expand restrictions on ASML Holding NV, which will prevent it from selling at least some of its so-called deep ultraviolet lithography machines, crucial to making some types of advanced chips and without which attempts to set up production lines may be impossible. Japan will set similar limits on Nikon. The joint effort expands on restrictions the Biden administration unveiled in October that were aimed at curtailing China's ability to manufacture its own advanced semiconductors or buy cutting-edge chips from abroad that would aid military and artificial-intelligence capabilities.
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Apparently Elon doesn't even own a yacht. [businessinsider.com] Kind of makes you wonder what he plans to do with his money. Besides buying Twitter, of course.
Re:Not to say this isn't a good idea (Score:4, Funny)
Apparently Elon doesn't even own a yacht. Kind of makes you wonder what he plans to do with his money. Besides buying Twitter, of course.
Well, at this point he has a LOT of child support to cover. And once those kids get to college age...
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Well, he beat the Guinness world record on "largest loss of personal fortune" in 2022 by a wide margin, so he's got that record to his name. He could also go an solidify that record some more.
https://www.guinnessworldrecor... [guinnessworldrecords.com]
Re:Not to say this isn't a good idea (Score:5, Insightful)
But wouldn't it be nice if we as a civilization had progressed beyond the point where we did shit like this? We're talking about cutting off over a billion people from access to advanced technology. It's an utterly stupid thing to do from a purely rational standpoint.
China is one of a handful of countries propping up Russia in its war of aggression against democracy and world order. They are what we technically call "the enemy", along with North Korea and Iran.
We do far, far too much business with China. It's OK to have them supplying us with cheap shit that will be no big deal if it disappears. Relying on them for anything important is a huge strategic mistake.
You missed my point (Score:4, Interesting)
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Yes, maybe we should do something about these people.
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Because only the US is allowed to wage wars of aggresion (*cough* Afghanistan, Iraq, just the two most recent ones *cough*)?
The US (and indeed the west in general) had no plans to keep Afghanistan or Iraq. Putin OTOH hand had no intentions of just deposing the "Nazi" (ROFLMAO) government in Ukraine and then leaving. He fails both on his motives and his desires.
Russia is waging a war to secure its strategic security. And losing, at the very least losing face.
There was time, even under Putin, that Russia could have been a successful, valued and prosperous member of the civilized world community. That time is long since gone. They are a threat, and are treated like a threat. I see no problem here. Hope the next guy does be
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Yes, mostly cheap energy, as well as just opposing democracy in general.
Indeed, Xi and Putin want to make the world safe for dictators like them. What happened to the Soviet Union terrifies the CCP for good reason.
The irony is, that China depends on the USA far more than the converse. Almost all their food an energy is imported through a world trade system that is patrolled by the US Navy. If the US stayed home, and say India decided to disrupt those oil tankers sailing just past it... then China would starve and deindustrialize within a year.
China's only hope for world dom
Re: Not to say this isn't a good idea (Score:2)
"The only reason I robbed your house was because you threatened to join the neighborhood watch." -- You
Now, doesn't that look like the stupidest goddamn argument you've ever seen in print?
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why wasn't Russia invited to join?
You don't even have to make it past the preamble of the NATO charter to know they don't qualify.
The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and all governments. They are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilisation of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/na... [nato.int]
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> then why wasn't Russia invited to join?
Seriously??? Did you sleep through every history class you've ever had? There was the little thing... you know... called the 20th century; during the vast majority of which Russia was precisely the thieving, murdering, crook that the "neighborhood watch" was eventually formed to protect against. You know... when Russia conquered about half of Europe, oppressed its peoples, and held it hostage for half of that century? And now you wonder why Russia hasn't been
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OK, let's try it your way. "The only reason I robbed your house is that you wouldn't let me join the neighborhood watch."
Nope. Still maximum stupid.
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Russia is waging a war... and losing, at the very least losing face.
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But wouldn't it be nice if we as a civilization had progressed beyond the point where we did shit like this? We're talking about cutting off over a billion people from access to advanced technology. It's an utterly stupid thing to do from a purely rational standpoint.
China is one of a handful of countries propping up Russia in its war of aggression against democracy and world order. They are what we technically call "the enemy", along with North Korea and Iran. We do far, far too much business with China. It's OK to have them supplying us with cheap shit that will be no big deal if it disappears. Relying on them for anything important is a huge strategic mistake.
>China is one of a "handful" of countries
The "global south" is on Russia's side against NATO. Global south represents the majority of the worlds population. US has various embargoes & sanctions against ~27 countries.
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The "global south" is on Russia's side against NATO. Global south represents the majority of the worlds population.
I don't think so. Looks to me like the vast majority of the global south voted at the UN to condemn Russia's invasion. China and India have large populations and both abstained. China is a shithole dictatorship like Russia, so we have no way of knowing what its citizens actually think, or even what they are allowed to know. India is irrelevant in world affairs.
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eea... [europa.eu]
The second vote condemning the sham referendums was equally one sided.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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That's a good point bro, now why don't you go convince the Chinese government to quit being communist/oppressive. If anyone can convince them it's a fellow comrade.
Sure (Score:2, Insightful)
Like most things it starts at home with your own political choices. Americans need to stop voting for whoever pushes their buttons the best (*cough* woke *cough* Critical Race Theory *cough* trans athletes) and instead for whoever makes their actual material lives bet
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Uhuh, and what are those policies exactly? One struggles to think of examples where significant changes in governance have been pushed on another comparable countries that don't involve war.
Foreign relations just isn't that important to politics in general. It's the people in your own country that are most likely to keep you in power or kick you out power, imprison you, etc.
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You have me and you vote for pro-Democracy candidates who will institute real policies to make China democratic
Richard, is that you?
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but that's not how you do it. You don't just send me over there. You have me and you vote for pro-Democracy candidates who will institute real policies to make China democratic instead of just using their cheap labor for short term profits.
We do not get to make China anything. We can try to convince China. We can refuse to do business with China (this action is but a step on that path). We can offer incentives. (Carrot and stick)
We do not make China democratic. Only the Chinese people can do that.
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You have me and you vote for pro-Democracy candidates who will institute real policies to make China democratic instead of just using their cheap labor for short term profits.
The CCP has absolutely no intention of allowing anything remotely like power sharing, or peaceful regime change. There's no actual civilian/military divide. There's not real government/business divide. Everything is at the behest of the CCP, which has wound itself into every institution, every school, every textbook. They are hell bent on dominating the world because they're the best, and it hurts their feels that we don't acknowledge it. They are also obscenely corrupt and brutal kleptocrats, willing to ki
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No chips (Score:2)
Falure (Score:3)
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The goal isn't to prevent China from ever creating its own hardware, as you say that is impossible.
The goal of these people is to give supply chains a chance to grow in places besides China, because it's relatively harder to get the parts inside the country.
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That plan assumes China is unable to create its own deep UV lithography hardware. It will fail
No, the plan is that by the time they do that we will be well into the next gen stuff.
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China sure isn't able to do it presently, and clearly the tech is very difficult to replicate anywhere. By the time China is able to make the current deep UV lithography hardware, the state of the art will have advanced far beyond that point.
Netherlands. That's rich. (Score:1)
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Long-term dupe? (Score:2)
Didn't we have this story weeks ago? Or is this an update?
https://www.americanmanufactur... [americanma...turing.org]