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Microsoft is Done With Major Windows 10 Updates 163

Posted by msmash from the PSA dept.
Windows 10 22H2 will be the final version of the operating system, Microsoft said in a blog post on Thursday. From a report: Moving forward, all editions of Windows 10 will be supported with monthly security updates until October 14th, 2025, when Microsoft will end support. (Some releases on the Long-Term Servicing Channel, or LTSC, will get updates past that end of support date.) Microsoft is encouraging users to now transition to Windows 11 because Windows 10 won't be getting any new features.
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  • For once I had EVERYONE on the same OS, it was so easy to provide support to the entire user base at my company :-/

    • Re:why...!!! (Score:5, Funny)

      by DarkRookie2 ( 5551422 ) on Friday April 28, 2023 @11:16AM (#63483276)
      Because fuck you, thats why.

      • Re:why...!!! (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Friday April 28, 2023 @12:45PM (#63483486)

        The fuck you is the secondary reason. The primary reason, for most things in the world, is money. Indirectly often, but at the end of the string of reasons there is money. Probably someone might say "we don't want to fuck you but you're standing between me and your wallet..."

        So why does Windows 11 have curved corners on windows? Money! Not that it makes money per se, but that it's cheaper to hire dumb graphical designers. All the stuff in there can ultimately be tracked to money.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by narcc ( 412956 )

          The 'why' is pretty easy. A blind man could have predicted this. The flat design trend eschewed curves and gradients. The only thing left to change was to get rid of color or add curves and gradients.

          I don't mind. I like curves and gradients. They can add helpful information. Why windows 11 decided to go crazy with the curves is a bit of a mystery, but that's what they did. If I had to guess, it was so they could reduce them a bit in the next refresh.

          Or do you mean 'why does the design need to change

    • Yeah, why?

      When you control your updates, this doesn't happen. I'd pick an operating system that I can control. Okay fine, control better than, since I too am not reviewing source code of my updates.

    • > For once I had EVERYONE on the same OS, it was so easy to provide support to the entire user base at my company :-/
      Well, you're sweet until at least the 2nd half of 2025.
      Or do you like additional "features" appearing for you to support in your company?

  • Yay, two+ years of stability! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by iustinp ( 104688 ) on Friday April 28, 2023 @10:39AM (#63483188) Homepage
    Somehow MS makes this sound bad. No, it's not bad, it's two years and a half of security support and stable OS.

    • What's the "stable OS" that MS sells, pray tell?

      • It's not perfect but I have never had windows 10 crash.

        • I've only ever had Windows 10 crash on failing hardware. In fact, when Windows 10 does crash, in my experience, it's a safe bet that something in the machine is broken; RAM, PSU, GPU, etc. in that order of likelihood.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by Torodung ( 31985 )

            I generally start with 3rd party drivers and work out to hardware, but you must be a hardware guy. I've had plenty of blue screens from out-of-date drivers.

            Never Microsoft drivers, though.

      • Windows NT onward, which went mainstream with XP. Maybe you need to update your 1990's memes.

    • Somehow MS makes this sound bad.

      From their perspective, it kinda is. New Features = New Revenue.

      And if people wanted stable, every consumer would run the stripped-down LTSC variants that are supported for a decade after release. And Microsoft would allow it. They don't. For feature reasons.

  • Microsoft is encouraging users to now transition to Windows 11 because Windows 10 won't be getting any new features.

    Just about every update to Win10 has involved some sort of "new feature" that was questionable. It almost seems like each was a test of tolerance for systems.

    Is there a version of Windows that is stable, not constantly "improving" with "new features"? Apparently Win10 will be that for a couple of more years, if you can tolerate what features it has now.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by dbialac ( 320955 )
      I'll take the Windows 10 start menu over the Windows 11 start menu any day.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by EvilSS ( 557649 )
        I use a start menu replacement for 11. It makes life much easier with Win11.

        • that's a bad thing though.
          if a company releases something that's anti-consumer garbage, with the "fuck you, that's why" mentality -- and it's tolerated because there are x number of hoops to jump through, it's just training them to force more bullshit down their user's throats.

          at some point those work arounds will no longer exist.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by EvilSS ( 557649 )
            "Anti-consumer garbage"? I think you are way over-exaggerating the start menu issues in 11. But does that mean using something 3rd party instead of what is built into the OS because I like it better makes it bad? If so, then every OS is shit.

            • well, you have something that's worked a certain way for a decade and a half or so, then your UI/UX guys decide in a soy-frappuccino fueled manic episode to just change things up just for the sake of change -- for absolutely no benefit whatsoever, and no option to just keep things the way they were. Yeah i don't get it? it's definitely consumer friendly though.

              and no, i'm saying it's bad excusing that kind of crap with
              >"you can just download this 3rd party add on to fix it"
              >"you can just edit these r

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Zak3056 ( 69287 )

      Is there a version of Windows that is stable, not constantly "improving" with "new features"?

      LTSC. You're welcome.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by pz ( 113803 )

      Is there a version of Windows that is stable, not constantly "improving" with "new features"?

      There's an industrial version of Windows that's intended to support IOT that has nice aspects like not randomly rebooting to install updates (which, y'know, you might not want for something controlling a machine on a factory floor). Although I haven't looked very hard, the only place I've seen it was on Lenovo's ThinkCentre Nano IoT line.

    • This is my problem with most modern software.

      I often complain about SaaS but forced Windows updates from Microsoft are the exact same problem. I don't want software that I pay for to suddenly change on me without careful consideration on my part as to whether or not I want to "upgrade." You know that menu item or short-cut key that you use every single day to do your job? Well one day some product owner decides that they want it moved somewhere else.

      While software's value is its ability to change, I'm not c

      • Sorry, not even security updates.

        What happens is when subset of users are vulnerable to, that turns into everyone must update, which is wrong.

        Consider the initial rounds of Intel security vulnerabilities that were not demonstrable on AMD, but the OS patches and their performance degradations were pushed onto AMD hardware also, none-the-less. "Security" == "Think of the children" .. in practice its just as excuse most of the time.

  • Welcome, Windows 12 (Score:5, Funny)

    by zenlessyank ( 748553 ) on Friday April 28, 2023 @10:43AM (#63483202)

    Hopefully this means I can totally skip Windows 11 and move on to Windows 12 where you get free apostles to help you along.

  • But then they had to make a split with Windows 11 and create artificial "hardware requirements" to fragment it. With Windows 7 you could even install it on 1990s hardware if you buffed up the ram enough. We are going to end up in a situation like Chromebooks where you have to junk the whole device (happened to me, the device in question was less than five years old) in order to get updates. Prepare for a shitstorm of CVEs and Wannacrys as people stick to old and unupdated computers (no, they won't take the

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Yep. MS is creating a massive problem there. I hope it will be bad enough to break their back, but likely too many people will continue to think their crap smells like roses as things get worse.

  • ...your machine that's old but still running fine can't be upgraded to Win11.

  • Well, it was nice while it lasted. Now that Microsoft is bringing to an end the last OS they promised they'd ever make, what OS are you planning to move to?

  • What will we do? (Score:5, Funny)

    by greytree ( 7124971 ) on Friday April 28, 2023 @11:02AM (#63483248)
    No more tweaks to a couple of shitty outdated apps to give them tabs?!

    No more exciting night mode changes?!

    No more new place to put the Start button?!

    This is the END of the cutting edge of UI innovation in this country. We are doomed.

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by xwin ( 848234 )
      It is not the windows 10 updates that are the problem, but application updates that stop running on the old version of windows. I just updated my PC from windows 7 to windows 10. Windows 7 was plenty good for my use. All games and most of the applications I wanted run fine on windows 7. But TurboTax did not and unfortunately taxes you must do every year. There is no reason why TurboTax can't run on windows 7 but alas it does not. I used VirtualBox to run in but now more and more apps don't run. For example

      • There is no reason why TurboTax can't run on windows 7 but alas it does not.

        The reality is that Windows 10 contains enough API additions vs. Windows 7 that app developers have to give up stuff to remain compatible with Windows 7. Does tax software really need to use any of those API's? Probably not. But all it takes is one critical dependency that uses them, and the application is forced along for the ride.

        Also, most developers simply don't want to deal with keeping applications running on older OS versions. It's a pain in the ass, and at some point there is no financial incentive

      • The problem with Virtualbox is that it is trash compared to literally any of the credible alternatives. Install virt-manager, and qemu/kvm will come with it. You can convert your VDIs to qcow2s and load your existing virtual machines into the system. VMware player is also a far better tool than Virtualbox, but they don't keep up with the kernel so you have to use a workalike for some of their kernel modules, and those modules were flaky for me (I was having network failures) so I converted my vmdks to qcow2

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by kriston ( 7886 )

          What exactly is wrong with VirtualBox? I use Hyper-V, KVM/QEMU, VMware, and VirtualBox and can't tell a difference in performance or otherwise.

      • The reason is simple. There's an embedded version of Google Chrome that app makers can plug into their software to make a native HTML UX so they don't have to design a GUI interface. This Chrome Embedded ended support for Windows 7/8/8.1 at the beginning of the year. That why suddenly so many apps no longer support them all at once.

      • newsflash: you don't need to install turbotax on a computer. go to turbotax.com

  • Since Win11 update fails on my system, guess I'll be learning how to run my games on Linux.

    • Does it fail the old fashioned way, or does it just tell you that you don't meet requirements? Because if the latter, you can bypass that.

  • Hopefully this will give their developers more time to put the features they removed in Windows 11. I'm looking at you, ability to hide the sound icon from the taskbar.

    • I mean... obviously I don't have hard numbers here, but I imagine that particular feature is used by maybe 0.000001% of users.

      Not that that is full justification for removing it, but since Windows 11 fully overhauled the taskbar it's not surprising that some niche functionality wasn't brought across.

      Not a MS-supported solution and updates to Win11 will probably break it, but: https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/wiki [github.com]

      Install that, use Win10 taskbar, run shell:::{05d7b0f4-2121-4eff-bf6b-ed3f69b894d9} a

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  • I bought a small PC to fiddle around with and it came with windows 11 per-installed. I was shocked to find there's no way to move the taskbar to the left of the screen, something I always do when I run windows for the first time. I googled this and found solutions that require modifying the registry (wtf), and it's still not a perfect solution because some icons would disappear
    • one more reason not to consider windows 11 then

      I place my taskbar on the right edge and I am never going to compromise
  • Since Linux gaming has gotten so good, I haven't needed a WIndows machine at all, except to run one antiquated piece of software to update radios. I just keep a WinXP machine around for that since it won't run on anything past that anyway. Probably preaching to the choir here, but Windows is too much trouble for too little functionality.
  • "Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10." - Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon, developer evangelist (2015)

  • So how is Microsoft going to handle all the E-waste?

    Millions of computers can't run Windows 11 because of arbitrary requirements, like TPM 2.0 and something-something processor requirements.

    I suspect government action may be forthcoming to force Microsoft to support older PCs in Windows 11.

  • Upgrade path (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Torodung ( 31985 ) on Friday April 28, 2023 @04:46PM (#63484084) Journal

    Fine, give us an upgrade path for perfectly working hardware to get to 11. My wife's laptop even has a TPM 2.0 on the processor die and it won't run Windows 11 because the processor isn't recent enough.

    Do not ask us to buy hardware we don't need. The promise with Windows 10 was that it was going to work until your machine no longer works. Now it's planned obsolescence instead. Your machine works? Too bad, take it off the Internet in 2025 or else.

    Build a subset of Windows 11 for 10 users. FFS, you still have WOW64 running Win32 apps and WinSxS, don't tell me it can't be done.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by MoHaG ( 1002926 )

      I ran a Core 2 Quad since 2008 as my primary PC. Upgraded to a Ryzen 1800X with 64GB of RAM in 2018 and that won't run Windows 11 now...

  • I can't get reliable information to help my clients buy PC's any more. I used to buy Lenovo until they started shipping laptops computers in mini tower cases. WTF is this external power supply BS? On a mini tower? I'd recommend Linux computers but can't convince my clients to buy them. Apple devices cost roughly twice what a PC costs, but they are stable and Apple supports them. I've thrown in the towel. Just buy a damn Mac. It sticks in my craw, but buying a Microsoft PC is like paying to be raped.

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