US To Stop Giving Russia Some New START Nuclear Arms Data (reuters.com) 34
New submitter terrorubic shares a report from Reuters: The United States said it will stop providing Russia some notifications required under the New START arms control treaty from Thursday, including updates on its missile and launcher locations, to retaliate for Moscow's 'ongoing violations' of the accord. In a fact sheet on its website, the State Department said it would also stop giving Russia telemetry information - remotely gathered data about a missile's flight - on launches of U.S. intercontinental and submarine-launched ballistic missiles.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has not formally withdrawn from the treaty, which limits deployed strategic nuclear arsenals. On Feb. 21, he said Russia would suspend participation, imperiling the last pillar of U.S.-Russian arms control. Signed in 2010 and due to expire in 2026, the New START treaty caps the number of strategic nuclear warheads that the countries can deploy. Under its terms, Moscow and Washington may deploy no more than 1,550 strategic nuclear warheads and 700 land- and submarine-based missiles and bombers to deliver them. "The State Department said it continues to notify Russia of intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) and submarine ballistic missile (SLBM) launches in accordance with the 1988 Ballistic Missile Launch Notifications Agreement, and of strategic exercises in accordance with a separate 1989 accord," notes Reuters.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has not formally withdrawn from the treaty, which limits deployed strategic nuclear arsenals. On Feb. 21, he said Russia would suspend participation, imperiling the last pillar of U.S.-Russian arms control. Signed in 2010 and due to expire in 2026, the New START treaty caps the number of strategic nuclear warheads that the countries can deploy. Under its terms, Moscow and Washington may deploy no more than 1,550 strategic nuclear warheads and 700 land- and submarine-based missiles and bombers to deliver them. "The State Department said it continues to notify Russia of intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) and submarine ballistic missile (SLBM) launches in accordance with the 1988 Ballistic Missile Launch Notifications Agreement, and of strategic exercises in accordance with a separate 1989 accord," notes Reuters.
Re: US & the NWO are starting WWIII (Score:1)
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I wonder what we would do if Russia signed up Canada and Mexico to military agreements and placed weapons and troops on our borders.
I believe we have a good idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re: US & the NWO are starting WWIII (Score:4, Insightful)
Not even close to being comparable to the current situation. Putin has just been looking for excuses to cover his vanity project of being a new Alexander the Great and building an enlarged Russian Empire by force.
Re:US & the NWO are starting WWIII (Score:4, Interesting)
While what russia did is totally unacceptable, we absolutely did instigate it with repeated violations of the agreement not to expand NATO towards Russia's borders.
Is it valid for Russia to unilaterally deny the sovereignty of another country? Especially on the basis of an unwritten agreement?
I wonder what we would do if Russia signed up Canada and Mexico to military agreements and placed weapons and troops on our borders.
I imagine that if Canada and Mexico became so fearful of the US, similar to virtually every ex-Warsaw pact member regarding Russia, that we might see something like this. But it won't be Russia that they will cozy up to, and that future US will be unrecognizable to the US of today.
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> and that future US will be unrecognizable to the US of today.
How so? We already run roughshod over sovereign nations all over the world, just not next door, because neither nation currently has substantial amounts of cheap oil, or anything else we particularly want.
But as global warming destroys the American breadbasket while making Canada warm and fertile? They're going to start having some legitimate concerns about the U.S.'s business as usual. Don't know what would inspire an invasion of Mexico -
Re: US & the NWO are starting WWIII (Score:3)
Which agreement is that written in?
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There is no such agreement with Nazi Russia
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Oh, so you lot are still reciting that lie? There is no such agreement and there never was. That is a gross misrepresentation of a minor point to an agreement that was restricted to the disposition of NATO forces in the former DDR (East Germany) which applied NOWHERE ELSE. There was no restriction on NATO membership at all. The agreed to terms (Which, again, applied ONLY to the former DDR.) were: 1). No nukes. 2). Wait for Russian troops to leave before moving NATO units eastward. 3). Except for the US, UK, and French units already present in Berlin, NATO forces in the former East Germany would all be German. And that is it. There were no agreements or treaties that imposed any membership restrictions whatsoever.
That "not one inch" comment you people like to trot out? It, as with the actual legal agreement, applied ONLY to... you guessed it... the former DDR. And says who? How about the former president of RUSSIA who negotiated that agreement: Mikhail Gorbachev
https://www.brookings.edu/blog... [brookings.edu]
https://www.rbth.com/internati... [rbth.com]
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The level of retardation you achieve here is just astounding. I'm starting to think maybe Covid has some sort of side-effect, like psychosis, that nobody knows about and only the vaccinated are safe from. Plot twist!
Seems Misguided (Score:1, Informative)
We weren't giving Russia that data to help Russia.
The point of the treaty was to give rach other the data to lessen the chance of a test launch being misinterpreted as the real thing and starting thermonuclear war.
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Yeah. Realistically the only way a nuclear war starts, is if both sides make a serious mistake. Information sharing helps keep that from happening - which is why everyone competent is perfectly happy with foreign spy satellites, balloons, etc. overhead (so long as the media doesn't notice them and drum up public outcry) - the opposition is much more likely to trust our information if they can verify it for themselves.
Well, either that or a suicidal lunatic with their finger on the button - hence Kim Jong
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Russia is no longer capable of abiding by rules. (Score:5, Interesting)
Biden and Putin (Score:2)
But their problems are the same, i.e., a growing population with not enough money incoming.
Putin's method works because Russians are OK with staying safe indoors, like during the Russian winter.
Biden's method works because Americans keep informed via media (social and regular).
But Biden has an advantage in that even if he falls in public, citizens don't panic,
but we do not know how Russians will react if Putin or his deputies falter in public.
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Growing population? What are you smoking?
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Look at three decades or more.
Re:Biden and Putin (Score:4, Informative)
Russia's population has been in decline for decades, while the United States is heading in that direction. The only thing keeping up American population numbers now is immigration. That won't last forever, especially since a lot of the 1st gen immigrants go back while leaving behind children that often contribute to the below-replacement problem we have in this country.
In any case, Russia had more people in 1989 than they do today:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... [wikipedia.org]
Meanwhile the United States is still experiencing minor growth at 0.4%, but with a birthrate of ~1.6, that won't last.
Bad idea (Score:2)
As someone else commented, this is a bad idea. The purpose of giving them at least some of this data is so they know the US is not mounting a pre-emptive (first) strike. There is no value in the tit-for-tat in this case. In fact, if we did do a first strike, we should still give them the data (maybe fake), so they think it is just a test.