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Remember Amazon's Clubhouse Competitor? That's Okay - Neither Does Almost Anybody Else (techcrunch.com) 36

Amazon's Clubhouse rival, Amp, has struggled to get off the ground, documents shared with TechCrunch show. From the report: As part of the launch in March 2022, Amazon announced a slate of Amp-exclusive shows and programs, including from artists, radio hosts, sportscasters, culture writers and personalities like Nicki Minaj ("Queen Radio"), Tefi Pessoa and Guy Raz, among others. Amp launched on iOS, Amazon Alexa devices and the web in beta, only in the U.S. to start. Amazon was targeted at over 1 million monthly active users by the end of 2022, according to internal documents -- a tenth of Clubhouse's user base at its peak. But Amp never came close to achieving that milestone.

Amp, which had roughly 32,000 monthly active users as of the end of March 2022, was sitting just short of 200,000 monthly active users by late October. (A source tells TechCrunch that the number is hovering around 700,000 today.) From September 2022 to October 2022, monthly first-time iOS app installs declined precipitously from ~76,000 to ~43,000, internal documents show. And Amp encountered roadblocks on the engagement front, despite its lineup of high-profile content. Between September 2022 and October 2022, the number of hours users spent listening to Amp shows dipped 51% from a peak of around 183,000. Even without access to internal data, it's obvious that Amp isn't the most active of the live audio platforms cohort.

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Remember Amazon's Clubhouse Competitor? That's Okay - Neither Does Almost Anybody Else

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  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @12:01AM (#63714992)

    What is "Clubhouse"?

    • by dohzer ( 867770 )

      Wikipedia defines it as either:

      The locker room or changing room for a sports team, which at the highest professional level also features eating and entertainment facilities

      or:

      A community centre, a public location where community members gather for group activities, social support, public information, and other purpose

    • Also I thought Amp was a Google standard for websites.

    • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      What is "Clubhouse"?

      Something this 'article' is an ad for I guess. According to the summary it had 10 million monthly users "at its peak" so presumably it's declined since then, probably needs all the publicity it can get.

    • What is "Clubhouse"?

      All I got from the title and first paragraph was that something called "Amazon's Clubhouse" had a competitor called "Amp", and I wasn't understanding anything.

    • by Duds ( 100634 )

      I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. I've no idea what this is a competitor to.

    • by coofercat ( 719737 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @09:23AM (#63715682) Homepage Journal

      Clubhouse is/was an audio-only social media site. That is, instead of posting photos or stories, you host a live stream. In principle it seems like a good idea - you can listen in to a conversation between some clever people, much like you might watch a panel discussion at a conference. Likewise, you might get someone telling you (podcast style) all about something you want to learn about - doing so live, perhaps responding to questions posted to them.

      It was rolled out as an 'invite only' thing, which sort of worked in so much as it tended to get 'like minded' people together. However, it excluded a lot of people who might otherwise have contributed. It's not clear of course, but it's possible their attempt to gain some "urgency", "exclusivity" or whatever else from it was perhaps too heavy handed.

      It also turns out that most of us are either just information consumers (so not contributors), or just not very good audio contributors. Unless you've got a good studio setup and decent audio gear, your live stream isn't very compelling just based on audio quality. Then, most of us aren't radio DJs, so our voices are perhaps a bit bland or hard to understand, and so again, otherwise great content wasn't listened to. It worked well enough during lockdowns. People had nothing much else to do, and so listening to something was a nice way to spend the extra time you had in your life. Once we got back into the real world, trying to listen in to a live stream whilst also driving to work, or taking a train proved to be unpopular, and possibly was usurped by podcasts and recordings.

      Suffice to say, had Clubhouse been a google product, I think it's safe to say it'd have been killed off a year or two ago. It seems Amazon have more stomach for this sort of thing, but even they seem to need the publicity TFA affords them.

    • by jonadab ( 583620 )
      Indeed. Why does Amazon, whose main site has a single-digit popularity rank globally, need to maintain a knock-off of a site that can't even get down into three-digit range?

      Next in the news, Wal-Mart's obscure knock-off of Buehler's isn't gaining much traction in the retail grocery market.
  • by Mean Variance ( 913229 ) <mean.variance@gmail.com> on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @12:22AM (#63715012)

    It really is an interesting idea. I got involved in early 2022. Playing licensed music and making some connections on the theme of musical interest was pretty fun.

    What has happened is not that politics or other socially divisive themes became a problem. It's that it forms small cliques. That can still be fun (it was, but I eventually became bored of it) but doesn't form a business model.

    They bring in celebrity hosts (called "creators" [eye roll]) but few stay long. Kevin Smith was a big get and he was promoted heavy. I'm not sure he lasted a month probably wondering what was the point.

    Cool idea, but not a clear path of the end game. I'm surprised Amazon has kept it going given their RIFs in other revenue generating departments.

    • by Sique ( 173459 )
      Thank you. This explains why I never heard of it. It involves playing music, which I don't do explicetly. Some stuff comes with music attached though, but there, I am often able to ignore the music part.
      • Wow your life must be awful.

        • > Wow your life must be awful.

          The more polite way to say that is "You don't like music? That seems rather odd, can you tell me more?"

          But of course civility is extinct anymore.

          (Yes I know markdown isn't a thing on Slashdot. I don't care. I was indicating quotes with > signs before the web existed.)

        • by Sique ( 173459 )
          My life is ok. I don't get in rage about music bands and how they have sold out to big money and aren't sounding anymore as when they were new. I don't care if something is college rock or grunge. I don't have the urge to sing in the shower. I don't need ear plugs for jogging. My mobile phone can be on minimum storage capacity. I don't get mad when, while travelling long distances, I don't get a radio station that fits my music taste. I don't need to spend money on surround sound, or music subscriptions. I
  • It's not too surprising that third-party knockoffs are also having trouble.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=club... [duckduckgo.com]

  • ... a few people talking about "Clubhouse".
  • by NateFromMich ( 6359610 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @10:24AM (#63715846)
    It was an app that tried to recreate all the problems that podcasts had already solved.

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