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WSJ Criticizes 'the Billionaire Keeping TikTok On Phones In the US' (msn.com) 72

Six months ago Republican Senator Josh Hawley proposed legislation banning downloads of TikTok in the U.S. But this week he told the Wall Street Journal that "TikTok and its dark-money cronies are spending vast amounts of money to kill these bills."

The newspaper argues that TikTok's "friends" in the U.S. government — backed by billionaire financier Jeff Yass — "helped stall attempts to outlaw America's most-downloaded app." Yass's investment company, Susquehanna International Group, bet big on TikTok in 2012, buying a stake in parent company ByteDance now measured at about 15%. That translates into a personal stake for Yass of 7% in ByteDance. It is worth roughly $21 billion based on the company's recent valuation, or much of his $28 billion net worth as gauged by Bloomberg.

Yass is also one of the top donors to the Club for Growth, an influential conservative group that rallied Republican opposition to a TikTok ban. Yass has donated $61 million to the Club for Growth's political-spending arm since 2010, or about 24% of its total, according to federal records. Club for Growth made public its opposition to banning TikTok in March, in an opinion article by its president, at a time when sentiment against the platform among segments of both parties was running high on Capitol Hill... With many Democrats already skeptical of a ban, the whittling away of Republican support killed momentum for several bills, including the bipartisan Restrict Act backed by the Biden administration...

TikTok's own lobbying efforts in Washington have included hundreds of meetings and other contacts, according to a person familiar with the matter. One of its main arguments to Republicans has been that a majority of ByteDance's shareholders are Americans, and some are well-connected conservatives, this person said. The lobbying appears to have helped push House Republican lawmakers to back away from the idea of a ban on TikTok and focus instead on legislation that would put new legal protections in place for users' personal data...

The Biden administration hasn't indicated any change in its effort to ban the app or force its sale. It could still try to use executive powers to ban it, or force a sale to remove Chinese control. But without legislation, analysts say those orders could be overturned in court.

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WSJ Criticizes 'the Billionaire Keeping TikTok On Phones In the US'

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  • Josh Hawley? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Sunday September 24, 2023 @11:59AM (#63873067)

    Why does name sound familia?. Oh right. he's the coward who was caught fleeing for his life [cnn.com] on January 6th as the "peaceful protestors" [politifact.com] he raised his hand in support to not long before, tried to kill elected officials [cnn.com], including then Vice President Mike Pence [pbs.org] who had to shelter for his life with Secret Service agents on the loading dock [cnn.com] of the Capitol [newsweek.com].

    Considering he supports a Russian agent [imgur.com], he should know all about dark money and how it works.

    • by gtall ( 79522 )

      Hawley sees a conspiracy behind every Chinese. It not personal with him. He's got the former alleged president's relationship with facts and truth.

    • by gtall ( 79522 )

      And since you got modded down for no reason, I'll repeat what you said here, people can go back to the original for the actual links:

      Why does name sound familia?. Oh right. he's the coward who was caught fleeing for his life [cnn.com] on January 6th as the "peaceful protestors" [politifact.com] he raised his hand in support to not long before, tried to kill elected officials [cnn.com], including then Vice President Mike Pence [pbs.org] who had to shelter for his life with Secret Service agents on the loadi

    • Adding that Hawley maintained his objection to counting Arizona's electoral votes even *after* the insurrection, along with five other senators [go.com]:

      The Senate voted 93-6 against objections to Arizona's vote certification. Republican Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Josh Hawley (R-MO), Cindy Hyde-Smith (R-MI), John Neely Kennedy (R-LA), Roger Marshall (R-KS) and Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) all carried through with objecting to the electors.

      There were 121 House members [npr.org] (listed near bottom of article) who maintained their objections for Arizona, all Republicans. In addition:

      House members also objected in the cases of Georgia, Michigan and Nevada, but no senator joined in the objection, thereby preventing debate.

      The only other state disputed with support from both chambers was Pennsylvania; 138 House members, all Republicans, supported the objection, as did seven senators: Cruz, R-Texas; Hawley, R-Mo.; Hyde Smith, R-Miss.; Cynthia Lummis, R-Wyo.; Marshall, R-Kan.; Tuberville, R-Ala.; and Rick Scott, R-Fla.

  • The almost new Dumb Slashdot.

  • I also despise a lot of things in pop culture
    People have been doing silly things because of silly fads for a very long time
    Bans don't work

    • Re:I despise tiktok (Score:4, Informative)

      by Berkyjay ( 1225604 ) on Sunday September 24, 2023 @12:18PM (#63873099)

      The bans purpose wasn't to stop people doing "silly things". TikTok collects massive amounts of data which get funneled right back to the CCP.

    • Banning a large company like that would work just fine. They're not trying to ban pop culture, or people doing silly things.

      I guess your point is: "Wouldn't another brainless video app take its place?" I don't know, that's an interesting question. Natural Selection among social media networks doesn't seem to be as simple as that. Nothing replaced Vine when it was killed. Twitter's replacements don't seem to be doing very well, even as Twitter is dying. I imagine that all the people who currently use Tikt
      • One could say TikTok itself is what replaced Vine, even if there was a gap between the two.

      • But banning a large company like that is against all free enterprising and open society. Why ban company T, which showed its US data will stay in US servers, but not company M which just as much or even more collects information on US citizens? Shouldn't both companies be banned?
  • https://www.theguardian.com/wo... [theguardian.com]

    We are all serfs now to our techno overlords.
    "It’s a big-picture hypothesis rooted in a historical account of how capitalism came into being that describes what is happening in terms of an epochal, once-in-a-millennium shift. In some ways, it’s a relief to have a politician – any politician – talking about this stuff. Because in Varoufakis’s telling, this isn’t just new technology. This is the world grappling with an entirely new economic

  • by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Sunday September 24, 2023 @12:33PM (#63873133) Journal

    Plutocrats accuse other plutocrats of plutocratting

  • by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Sunday September 24, 2023 @12:49PM (#63873167)

    When a woman uses TikTok to obtain an abortion.

  • by organgtool ( 966989 ) on Sunday September 24, 2023 @01:12PM (#63873235)
    So a wealthy conservative is one of the only people willing to put up money to protect us from our government creating an unconstitutional ban on a freaking smartphone app. I can't stand Tiktok but government censorship is far worse.
    • > on a freaking smartphone app

      That's categorical thinking.

      A word processor app is not the same as a snuff film app.

      Should second graders have access to both?

      Is psychological warfare real?

      Why is American TikTok banned in China?

      • by Shakrai ( 717556 )

        Is psychological warfare real?

        Yes. Why is nobody trying to ban Russia Today?

        Why is American TikTok banned in China?

        Because the CCP can’t abide platforms they don’t have complete and total control over.

    • The party of small government now telling me what software I'm allowed to use.

      • Remember that there are two factions to the "party of small government."

        The one faction wants small government that leaves more decisions to state and local governments, lower taxes, etc etc etc. The other faction wants a small government because a dictatorship doesn't need to be large.

    • This wealthy conservative almost single-handedly killed the Restrict Act, a bill which was the worst ever assault on American liberty -- ever. For that one thing alone, I salute him.

  • Let the free market sort it out.

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Sunday September 24, 2023 @01:59PM (#63873381)

    At this point in time, what's keeping TikTok on phones in the US is the many millions of people who spend hours on TikTok every day.

    I don't understand it, but there it is.

    • At this point in time, what's keeping TikTok on phones in the US is the many millions of people who spend hours on TikTok every day.

      Someone floated a hypothesis that the reason they don't like TT is because they can't control it.

      • by aergern ( 127031 )

        This is the likely reason. The GOP don't want to represent, they want to rule. They want everyone to follow their sky daddy and the rest. I don't get the mega narcissism that has taken hold in society and the thinking everyone else wants to hear what others say. I find it mostly noise. I don't buy the "they have our data! We have to ban it." when every company has the same collected data. The McCarthyism (Joeseph not Kevin) ... hellva drug.

  • Funny how our congressional reps don't like it when lobbyists ($$$) fight against them yet those same reps take money from lobbyists every day in order to pass laws that businesses, etc want passed.
  • by SvnLyrBrto ( 62138 ) on Sunday September 24, 2023 @03:54PM (#63873645)

    The surest way to make teens *LOVE* something is for adults to make it known that they hate it.

    I remember when the "kids these days" outrage was all about baggy and saggy pants. Numbskull politicians and school administrators in suburbia had themselves a moral panic and started trying to ban them... which, of course, was the fastest way to make sure they stayed cool amongst teenagers, a group whose primary trait may as well be "rebellion against whatever the adults say." This was particularly stupid (And unfortunate... looking back at my own teenage pictures, those pants were pretty damn fugly.) because in the more fashion-forward parts of the country (NYC, LA, Miami) baggy clothes were already well on their out, in favor of fitted, skinny, and eventually emo jeans. Those looks eventually... as they ALWAYS do... trickled down to the second and third tier cities and then down to the suburbs. But the bans on baggy pants just made them cool again and slowed the inevitable process of their eventual replacement.

    I see TikTok going the same way. Every effort by old people to ban it is just going to make the kids want it more. Eventually, like with skinny jeans replacing baggy, something new will become cool and replace TikTok... just like TikTok and Instagram replaced the socials that were cool before them. Fighting TikTok will just slow that process down. The solution here is not more legislation, but less. End the current efforts at kneecapping Silicon Valley, let it go back to full speed on moving fast and breaking things, and eventually one of those things that gets broken will be TikTok, which will join LiveJournal, Friendster, MySpace, Tribe, Orkut, Google+, Ping, Digg, and oh so many others, in the dustbin of history.

    • There’s sex ratio imbalance in China since 20th century from preferring babies to be boys over girls, thus too many men, not enough women to marry and have families. Now they have too many Chinese incel men, not enough desperate women. Chinese incels would do anything as equally to American incels and they just got lucky getting ahead with tik tok. There was a talk about Microsoft buying tik tok few years ago, which prolly would be worst if that happened anyway. So is banning tik tok for American big
  • You mean the Chinese server farm that can't respect robots.txt and DoS'd my server? They have a social media wing?
  • "Keeping Tiktok on phones" sounds like someone spending money to induce phonemakers to have the Tiktok client preloaded on new phones. That would, indeed, be hideous and worthy of exposure and scathing criticism.

    But instead, it's just about opposing a ban?! That's pretty damn different from "keeping" it.

  • Why isn't social manipulation being listed as the #1 problem? Is it because Meta & Google are just as big of a threat?

    Ban it just as much as it's banned in China. Apparently they have a huge problem with what they're exporting here. Lets look at their reasons for that and believe them.
  • I would have thought that Biden would back down Trump's policies but, apparently there's still good politicking in making up alleged foreign threats. Plus, you know, they're not even white people! Extra racism bonus with your Red Scare 2.0.

    Ooga booga! The Chinese know you're watching cat videos.

  • fascists criticizing other fascists - the Trump Crime Family likes to talk about dark money... and pretty much all of it is ultra-right-wing.

  • So is he against "dark money"? Should come out and say so, then, and propose a bill to eliminate it.

    I wonder the same thing whenever I hear whining about Soros-funded candidates. Are the complainers against private funding of campaigns in general? I wouldn't think so, but eliminating that would solve the problem of billionaires funding candidates you don't like.

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