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As Reddit CEO Defends Their Controversial API Decision, It Dominates Reddit's Own 'Recaps' (fastcompany.com) 52

"Reddit CEO Steve Huffman says that he stands by the company's decision to charge for API access," writes the blog 9to5Mac, "despite the fact that it was massively unpopular, and led to the demise of the leading Reddit app, Apollo." In an interview with FastCo, Huffman is unrepentant about the API decision, but says it could have been better communicated... "[H]e defended the company's decision to limit free access to its API as a necessary measure to foil AI-training freeloaders. 'Reddit is an open platform, and we love that,' he told me. 'At the same time, we have been taken advantage of by some of the largest companies in the world.'"
The incident ended up reappearing in Reddit's own "recap" pages showing highlights from its popular subreddits. For its Technology subreddit, the official recap shows that two most popular posts were "Apollo for Reddit is shutting down" and "Reddit sparks outrage after a popular app developer said it wants him to pay $20 million a year for data access."

And Reddit's official recap also shows that discussion leading to the second-most popular comment of the entire year for the subreddit. "Users supply all the content, and reddit turns around with this huge fuck you to its users, without whom it's just another crappy link aggregator. No, reddit, fuck you and your money grab."

The first most-popular comment appeared in a related discussion, headlined "Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators From Subreddits Continuing Apollo-Related Blackouts." The comment?

Reddit: You're fired!
Moderator: I don't even work here.


The topic also dominated the official recap for the Programming subreddit, where it was the subject of all three of the top comments — and all three of the year's top posts:

Ironically, FastCo headlined its interview "As the AI era begins, Reddit is leaning into its humanity." ("Rebellious moderators. Large language models' peril and promise. Maybe a long-awaited IPO. Amid it all, Reddit CEO Steve Huffman says the web megacommunity is on a roll.") Other work has addressed concerns that bubbled to the surface during the moderator dust-up, such as accessibility issues: "I told the team, 'Just show up and ship,'" Huffman says. The official Reddit apps are finally compatible with screen readers used by users with vision impairments, with full compliance with the World Wide Web Consortium's accessibility guidelines planned by the end of 2024.

As for AI's potential to transform the Reddit experience, Huffman is less prone to exuberant overpromising than the average tech company CEO. But the same attributes that led third-party assemblers of large language models to crave access to the company's corpus of information could help it leverage the technology to its own benefit... Rather than involving the most obvious AI functionality, like a Reddit chatbot, the examples he provides relate to moderation of problem content. For instance, the latitude that individual moderators have to govern their communities means that they can set rules that Huffman describes as "sometimes strict and sometimes esoteric." Newbies may run afoul of them by accident and have their posts yanked just as they're trying to join the conversation. In response, Reddit is currently prototyping an AI-powered feature called "post guidance." It'll flag rule-violating material before it's ever published: "The new user gets feedback, and the mod doesn't have to deal with it," says Huffman. He adds that Reddit will also use AI to crack down on willful bad behavior, such as bullying and hate speech, and that he expects progress on that front in 2024...

Members already engage in acts of commerce such as tipping Photoshop wizards to remove ex-boyfriends from images; he says the company plans to facilitate these transactions with a payment system "that will basically involve users sending money to users, whether it's rewarding them for content or paying for digital services or digital goods or [physical] services." "People are trying to start businesses on Reddit, but it wasn't really built for that," he adds. "So just trying to flesh out that ecosystem, I think that'll be very powerful."

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As Reddit CEO Defends Their Controversial API Decision, It Dominates Reddit's Own 'Recaps'

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  • Terrible excuse (Score:5, Insightful)

    by skaag ( 206358 ) on Saturday December 23, 2023 @07:04PM (#64102101) Homepage Journal

    Being scraped by large companies is a poor excuse. Reddit is publicly accessible, and any junior engineer can write a distributed scraper that uses thousands of proxies around the world to scrape everything that goes on in reddit 24 hours a day. Having the API is obviously a bit easier but it is by no means an obstacle for anyone interested in scraping reddit data.

    • No not really. Reddit frankly is not scrapable. It's too large, too diverse with too many sub communities. This isn't a newspaper generating double digit stories per day. This is a site that generates just shy of 1 million new posts per day.

      API access is essential to writing any app that does anything useful with reddit.

  • by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Saturday December 23, 2023 @07:21PM (#64102113)

    for Lemmy and Mastodon. Lemmy especially really needed the influx of new users: the more people discover the Fediverse, the better.

  • You mean the site I always seem to end up at when trying to find out if public figure Y "has nudes"?

    I'm sure it has a vast array of other uses. I just haven't found them. :)

    • I know someone who frequents it. Beside celeb nudes, he often shares various conspiracy theories and a lot of fake stories about male superiority and female (lack of) fidelity. Apparently it is a lively and well-educated community of people with rich social lives.

      • by Calydor ( 739835 )

        Honestly it's hard to say that Reddit is any one thing. It's more like every single phpBB forum EVER made on the internet got together and decided to have one unified login.

        Wanna talk about cars? You can do that. Trains? That too. Celeb nudes? Yep. Obscure indie game from 1992? The five fans are over there. There is no one common identifier for people on Reddit other than wanting to engage with other people who have similar interests to them.

  • I'll believe that when it's possible to get a reply to a ban appeal in less than three months and counting. My crime? Telling a prank caller to call his local police station. That counts as doxxing, apparently.

  • What I don't understand is why they couldn't change their TOS to prevent AI harvesting while still allowing the apps like Apollo to work. It would seem easy enough, and then they could just cut off what they said were the source of the problem.

    It seems to me they just wanted tighter control of everything, and didn't care about their users at all.

  • IMHO, the Red Hat CEO needs to jump at opportunities and not try to squeeze the open source people:

    With VMware being brought into Broadcom, a lot... nay a TON of businesses want to get off the platform. What did Red Hat used to have? A working, stable virtualization system that was well supported (oVirt)/RHEV. This worked well enough, that (IIRC) even Microsoft blessed it. However, RH tossed it for OpenShift, and even though Kubernetes is a shiny, a lot of businesses run "pet" VMs, and don't need all th

  • And Reddit leverages you, the ordinary users who provide substantially all of its content. Hypocrites.

  • I found slashdot sometime around two decades ago. I loved it but soon found myself on digg because of content quantity. When digg blew itself away I fully migrated to reddit. When front page killed itself I hid in smaller subreddits and old.reddit but I'm only here on slashdot again right now because I've had it with reddit. They did a full 180 on essentially everything that encouraged me to move in in the first place. Now here I am on slashdot. Still awesome. No shark jumping (unless you count

    • Yep I sometimes use reddit for reading. Through teddit, with no account.
      Everything else is web 1.0 or smallweb and I am much happier. I’d say Slashdot is one of the worse forums I go to, which is fine, I don’t need to be nice here and can goof around and troll a bit. Compared to all but the most niche of subreddits it blows Reddit out of the water on quality and intelligence.

  • We ran story after story here predicting Reddit's demise. Yet here we are, out of the maybe 90 subs I've registered to it appears as though precisely nothing has changed. User activity is the same, content is the same. Sure there are the odd stories of some sub descending into chaos after the mods left, but I'll say now what I said then: There's 3125000 subreddits. Having 100 odd go offline is irrelevant.

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