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Waymo's Application To Expand California Robotaxi Operations Paused By Regulators (techcrunch.com) 15

The California Public Utilities Commission's Consumer Protection and Enforcement Division (CPED) has suspended Waymo's application to expand its robotaxi service in Los Angeles and San Mateo counties, putting "an abrupt halt to the company's aspirations to expand where it can operate -- at least until June 2024," reports TechCrunch. It does not, however, change the autonomous car company's ability to commercially operate its fleet in San Francisco. From the report: The CPED said on its website that the application has been suspended for further staff review. The "suspension" of an advice letter is a procedural part of the CPUC's standard and robust review process, according to Waymo. San Mateo County Board of Supervisors vice president David J. Canepa took a different stance, however.

"Since Waymo has stalled any meaningful discussions on its expansion plans into Silicon Valley, the CPUC has put the brakes on its application to test robotaxi service virtually unfettered both in San Mateo and Los Angeles counties," Canepa said. "This will provide the opportunity to fully engage the autonomous vehicle maker on our very real public safety concerns that have caused all kinds of dangerous situations for firefighters and police in neighboring San Francisco."

Waymo noted that it has reached out to two dozen government and business organizations as part of its outreach effort, including officials in cities throughout San Mateo County such as Burlingame, Daly City and Foster City, the San Mateo County Sheriff's Office and local chambers of commerce. [...] The city of South San Francisco, Los Angeles County Department of Transportation, San Francisco County Transportation Authority, San Mateo County Office of the County Attorney and the San Francisco Taxi Workers Alliance have sent letters opposing the expansion.

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Waymo's Application To Expand California Robotaxi Operations Paused By Regulators

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  • by NoWayNoShapeNoForm ( 7060585 ) on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @05:54PM (#64258288)

    Say it isn't so!

    A PAUSE seems like a very reasonble step to take.

    After all this driverless machine is operating on public roads around human beings. At least I call them "human beings" but they might have a different view.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      Maybe. But if robo cars are better drivers, any delay kills.

      Thanks, lawyers!

      • Is there even any compariso data?

        • by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @06:51PM (#64258404)
          Sure [waymo.com]

          Waymo Driver demonstrated:

          An 85% reduction or 6.8 times lower crash rate involving any injury, from minor to severe and fatal cases (0.41 incidence per million miles for the Waymo Driver vs 2.78 for the human benchmark)

          A 57% reduction or 2.3 times lower police-reported crash rate (2.1 incidence per million miles for the Waymo Driver vs. 4.85 for the human benchmark)

          This means that over the 7.1 million miles Waymo drove, there were an estimated 17 fewer injuries and 20 fewer police-reported crashes compared to if human drivers with the benchmark crash rate would have driven the same distance in the areas we operate.

          However, the objections in the summary aren't even about injuries or deaths (which is telling in itself), but rather the problems Waymo is causing for other traffic, especially emergency responders. That seems like a hard problem, because emergencies throw normal driving procedures out the window. A guy pointing and shouting at you to 'go over there' is a big departure from how driving is normally done.

          • Gotcha [getcruise.com]

            With this in mind, we are pleased to present Cruise’s safety record over the course of our first million driverless miles. When benchmarked against human drivers in a comparable driving environment, our AVs were involved in:

            54% fewer collisions overall

            92% fewer collisions as the primary contributor

            73% fewer collisions with meaningful risk of injury

            That's not to say that Waymo's study isn't more rigorous than

            • Do they count deaths caused somewhere else in the city due to their cars blocking ambulances and fire trucks from getting through?

          • A guy pointing and shouting at you to 'go over there' is a big departure from how driving is normally done.

            The solution is to train the system on lots and lots of simulated and then real emergency situations.

            Then, when it detects that there is an emergency (people screaming, sirens, flashing blue lights), it loads the pre-trained network from flash and deals with the problem.

            Have special training for corner cases even has a name: Boosting [wikipedia.org]

            • That's what the military likes to do too. They call it wargames. The outcomes rarely predict reality.
              • Traffic accidents are more common than wars, at least in California.

                So, there are plenty of opportunities to validate the simulations with real-world data.

      • They're not as good, though.
        • Have you ever actually ridden in one? I've been using Waymo for a couple years now... I was part of their "trusted tester" program before they opened the app to the rest of the public and started charging. They're definitely better than your *average* Uber or cab driver. And I've not felt unsafe in them, even after they eliminated the safety drivers. In fact, my only real complaint is that they drive somewhat too conservatively; missing openings in traffic a human would use to make the ride quicker or

    • by elcor ( 4519045 )
      Yeah but unfortunately it's not for the right reason, it's connected to google not doing enough to censor non democrat voices on youtube and in google search. look it up
  • It's amazing that the regulators have not come up with a way to cite these robots for traffic violations, nor a way for emergency personnel to take control of the vehicle if necessary.

After all is said and done, a hell of a lot more is said than done.

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