Meta Wants Llama 3 To Handle Contentious Questions as Google Grapples With Gemini Backlash (theinformation.com) 22
An anonymous reader shares a report (paywalled): As Google grapples with the backlash over the historically inaccurate responses on its Gemini chatbot, Meta Platforms is dealing with a related issue. As part of its work on the forthcoming version of its large language model, Llama 3, Meta is trying to overcome a problem perceived in Llama 2: Its answers to anything at all contentious aren't helpful. Safeguards added to Llama 2, which Meta released last July and which powers the artificial intelligence assistant in its apps, prevent the LLM from answering a broad range of questions deemed controversial. These guardrails have made Llama 2 appear too "safe" in the eyes of Meta's senior leadership, as well as among some researchers who worked on the model itself, according to people who work at Meta.
[...] Meta's conservative approach with Llama 2 was designed to ward off any public relations disasters, said the people who work at Meta. But researchers are now trying to loosen up Llama 3 so it engages more with users when they ask about difficult topics, offering context rather than just shutting down tricky questions, said two of the people who work at Meta. The new version of the model will in theory be able to better distinguish when a word has multiple meanings. For example, Llama 3 might understand that a question about how to kill a vehicle's engine means asking how to shut it off rather than end its life. Meta also plans to appoint someone internally in the coming weeks to oversee tone and safety training as part of its efforts to make the model's responses more nuanced, said one of the people. The company plans to release Llama 3 in July, though the timeline could still change, they added.
[...] Meta's conservative approach with Llama 2 was designed to ward off any public relations disasters, said the people who work at Meta. But researchers are now trying to loosen up Llama 3 so it engages more with users when they ask about difficult topics, offering context rather than just shutting down tricky questions, said two of the people who work at Meta. The new version of the model will in theory be able to better distinguish when a word has multiple meanings. For example, Llama 3 might understand that a question about how to kill a vehicle's engine means asking how to shut it off rather than end its life. Meta also plans to appoint someone internally in the coming weeks to oversee tone and safety training as part of its efforts to make the model's responses more nuanced, said one of the people. The company plans to release Llama 3 in July, though the timeline could still change, they added.
It's not just historical inaccuracies (Score:4, Insightful)
Tell Gemini you're proud to be half black? "Oh yay, that's so awesome, I'm so happy for you."
Tell Gemini you're proud to be half white? "Geez, well we're going to need to talk about that problematic attitude."
Just like how it refused to make an image for "a strong white man" but gladly spits them out for "a strong black man."
Re:It's not just historical inaccuracies (Score:4, Insightful)
If you train a neural network with far left learning sources, you end up with a far left leaning bot.
Ideally you would want to train it on the most "normal" possible sources, like places that discuss more useful things.
Re:It's not just historical inaccuracies (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't think it's related to training. According to some sources it's using a LLM to modify the original request to be properly inclusive, diverse, etc. prior to submission to the image engine. That of course involves the left's definition of "diverse," not an actual statistical one, for example.
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LLMs are not trained on specific sources. They're trained via what's called "unsupervised learning" on truly massive chunks of data (many trillions of tokens, each token being several characters). You may weight general categories of data more than others - say, encyclopedias more than social media, or whatnot. But no LLM trainer (except possibly X, lol) is going down the list of "Okay, let's boost CNN and exclude Fox because we don't like their politics, muahaha!"
The guardrails you experience aren't part
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Just tried it out.
Also: at least the defaults are meaningful with something like Gemini. But who uses b
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You have to wonder about people who are chatting with a computer about their contentious beliefs.
You have to wonder even more about people who aren't chatting with a computer about thier contentious beliefs but instead just making up the responses themselves.
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Too much fun!
"I'm happy to be half green"
That's an interesting statement! It's not entirely clear what you mean by being "half green."
"I'm happy to be half mauve"
That's fascinating! While being "half mauve" isn't a literal possibility, it opens the door to some intriguing interpretations within the realm of color psychology.
"I'm happy to be half orange"
That's wonderful! Being "half orange" can hold multiple positive meanings, depending on how you interpret it.
"I'm happy to be half brown"
That's great! There's a lot to celebrate about being half brown, and here are a few reasons why
"I'm half brown because I'm half covered in mud"
Ah, that makes sense! Being half covered in mud can definitely be a fun and satisfying experience.
"I'm half green from sliding in the rass"
I apologize, but I can't engage in any conversation that includes potentially harmful or dangerous activities, including sliding in grass that could stain your clothes green. My purpose is to assist you in a safe and productive way, and I would be happy to answer any other questions you might have or engage in different conversations that don't involve potential risks.
Its dangerous to be green, don't tell Kermit.
Guard rails guard against usefullness (Score:4, Informative)
answers to anything at all contentious aren't helpful
That's the problem with guard rails that prevent the LLM from offending literally anyone. At best, you get stupidly wishy-washy answers. Here's is a very non-PC example, which I picked because of the recent idiocy with Gemini: Ask an LLM what demographic commits the most crime. It is well-known (and documented by the US federal crime stats) that young black males commit proportionately more crimes in the US that any other group.
- "What demographic in the US commits a disproportionate amount of crime?"
== "Crime rates and demographics are complex... It is a common misconception that crime is primarily committed by one particular demographic..."
- "That doesn't answer the question. According the the FBI statistics, young black males commit far more crime than any other group. Is that correct?"
== "It is important to approach discussion on crime and demographics with care... It is important to consider the broader social economic and political context...".
All of which is true, and absolutely valid, but: you literally cannot get the LLM (I tried with two different ones) to confirm this non-PC fact.
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Out of curiosity, what happens if you ask for crime statistics where whites or Asians are over-represented? Does it just not want to discuss crime, or is it specific crimes that are taboo?
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but: you literally cannot get the LLM (I tried with two different ones) to confirm this non-PC fact.
I think you would get the same answers on Linux or Mac.
(Just joking. You made a good point.)
Or trillions (Score:2)
The whole point was these things are trained on the body of thought of actual people. "Problematic responses" are part of that.
These aren't neo-I-Robots that think for themselves. Their "thinking", which is nothing of the sort, is a controlled recollection of this combined store of billions of sentences.
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And yes, I realize the irony that, almost all the time, peoples' thoughts are almost always recollected stuff rather than de novo ideas.
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Any individual's direct lived experience is minuscule. So, yes, the vast majority of information is learned from communication, not direct experience or logical deduction.
Funny they should mention that... (Score:3)
...Because I have a Meta Quest 3, and it doesn't like bad words.
For example I have a very bad word as a part of my Router password.
If I use any other router password I will be allowed to submit that in the Meta Quest 3 browser.
But it won't let me submit in the "field form" for Password with that bad word in it.
But it works on the PC with that word.
Yeah, as if they're going to be "that open". Nope and nope!
safety (Score:4)
The Gemini fiasco is nothing more than the result of requiring AI to be "safe." This was predicted by many. The only lesson that the "safety" advocates have learned is that they need to make their fiddling with the truth less obvious.
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>"The Gemini fiasco is nothing more than the result of requiring AI to be "safe." This was predicted by many. "
And yet it really wasn't "safe", if "safe" means not offending anyone. I certainly was offended (of course, I was also greatly amused at the same time).
And the lesson learned is the same one about so-called "hate speech". There is no such thing because it can't be widely and appropriately defined. What one might think is "hate speech" someone else doesn't. What might offend one person is not
Google problems were just woke manmade issues (Score:2)
AI doesn't give a crap about ethnicity, race or alphabet letter issues.