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Chinese Flying Taxi Sector Claims Global Lead Thanks To Regulatory Support (ft.com) 34

A Shanghai flying taxi company says that China's "low altitude" industry is edging ahead of western rivals, thanks to more supportive regulators, technological breakthroughs and cut-throat competition in the Chinese logistics sector. From a report: The total market created by electric vertical take-off and landing, or eVTOL, aircraft is forecast to be worth $1.5tn a year by 2040 in a base-case assessment by Morgan Stanley analysts, with potential customers across airlines, logistics, emergency services, agriculture, tourism and security operations. China's AutoFlight Group won airworthiness certification from the Civil Aviation Administration of China in late March for the design and parts for its unmanned CarryAll aircraft -- a global first for an eVTOL weighing more than 1 tonne being cleared by regulators.

Kellen Xie, AutoFlight vice-president, said that while the company is also seeking similar approvals in Europe, the CAAC has been "quite supportive" of the new industry. "They work longer hours... they are determined to actually speed up the process of bringing this new technology into reality," he said. EVTOL aircraft take off vertically, like helicopters, but then transition into fixed-wing mode for travelling at higher speeds, offering faster and more efficient transport than ground-based options. Analysts point to a labyrinth of regulatory and safety hurdles, but supporters say the technology could fundamentally reshape how humans travel and freight is moved, in a level of disruption akin to the introduction of mass-market cars and commercial airlines. Most eVTOL aircraft are still in the testing stages and vary widely in terms of how fast and high they can fly and how much weight they can carry.

Chinese Flying Taxi Sector Claims Global Lead Thanks To Regulatory Support

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  • we fly 996 FAA rules don't allow pilots to fly that many hours in an week!

  • What is not to like.
    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      Xi is out-Zuckerberging the USA: he moves fast and breaks people. Dictators have an R&D "advantage" when it comes to safety testing. It's one of the reasons the Soviets got their nukes up and running so quick once they swiped our blueprints: glowing people couldn't vote the glow-spreaders out.

  • For not calling them flying cars. 90% of eVTOL concepts are not flying cars, yet "journalists" insist on calling them that.

    • Just seems like a new name for private helicopter flights.
      • And while we are tearing down the euphemisms, let's call this what it is. Regulatory support = a government that doesn't care if people die in crashes, as long as they can get good photo ops to rub in the collective faces of the West.
      • You nailed it!

        We've had VTOL passenger transport for decades now, in the form of tried and proven technology: helicopters.

        Right now a bunch of startups are trying to reinvent the industry by claiming "carbon zero" and "autonomous" when we know:

        1. the market is *very* limited (ie: where are all the helicopter-based flying taxi services?)
        2. the tech isn't ready (current battery tech isn't up to the task)
        3. we don't trust autonomous sytems on the road so why would be trust them in the air?
        4. regulators are st

        • by cstacy ( 534252 )

          3. we don't trust autonomous sytems on the road so why would be trust them in the air?

          Because (a) we have infinitely more experience with this than with cars; the level of automation in aircraft is amazing; (b) the operational environment is in many ways much simpler than things on the ground. However, that's not really a recipe for "flying cars" (which actually, nobody wants) and as you point out: those are just called "helicopters".

          There will be heliport-to-heliport super short hops by autonomous electric helicopters coming online pretty soon. Very small market, even if they artificially p

          • In controlled airspace you would be right... but these things are being pitched as suburban/urban commute options operating at low altitude where there's no ATC. That means they have to deal with birds, the GPS-shielding effects of tall buildings, wind tunnels created by the same tall structures and a whole lot more.

            The automation of air-transport at 30,000 feet is a whole lot different to transport at a few hundred feet over a busy metropolis and where there may be buildings higher than t he craft itself

            • That all makes sense except birds aren't real.
              • Oh they're real all right, just ingest one of those feathered CIA spy drones into your ducted fan and see how real they are. I hear that bird framework is made of titanium so that's not going to mesh well with the carbon fiber propellers of these VTOL aircraft.

    • by taustin ( 171655 )

      In the land of journalism, buzzword compliance is not optional. There are ads to sell, dammit!

    • We have effectively had flying cars for years. They are called helicopters. The problem has always been cost and safety. Those are still hard problems to fix. Good luck to China beta testing the safety requirements.
  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Monday April 22, 2024 @03:07PM (#64415016)

    I'm wondering if it's coincidence, or if this is preparation for an upcoming concerted push in Congress to neuter US safety regulations.

  • Chinese Flying Taxi Sector is the name of my 3rd ep where i explore the intersection between old school jungle and modern minimalist ranchhouse

  • I would think there is more of a demand for flying taxis in the mega-gigantic-super-humongous cities - and China has lots of those. In my part of the world there is no reason to fly short distances. None – especially given the added risk with this new technology.

  • This is frightening (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Whateverthisis ( 7004192 ) on Monday April 22, 2024 @04:05PM (#64415212)
    I've worked in China before. As an ex-pat, it was cheaper to hire a full time driver in Beijing and Shanghai to take you places than to provide sufficient insurance to cover driving. Part of that is the cost of insuring people qualified to be an ex-pat employee (usually highly skilled), but a big part of that is China is downright frightening with how they drive. I once took a tour for a few days to see some sights and watched with utter horror as our bus missed their turn, went down the road, did a u-turn in the middle of the road, into a bike-only lane with dozens of people on bikes, and proceeded to drive the wrong way down the bike lane. And the bikes just flowed around the bus like this was normal.

    With that level of cavalier attitude in driving, I can't possibly fathom stepping into a flying taxi in China.

    Heck, I wouldn't do it in America either based on how people drive here, but China is existentially bad.

    • Article paywalled but this video shows it is pilot-less and when you think about it a flying autopilot is much easier than ground, with preset routes you can rely completely on GPS and switch to cameras for take-off and landing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] USA Joby going with same pilot-less concept: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
      • I would believe flying pilot-less is much better than ground-based autopilot, although there are many caveats to that. On the ground, you can get safe by coming to a complete stop; an emergency brake or the regular brakes is always the backup plan. That's not possible in the air. And the more this takes off as a taxi service, the more variables are needed, particularly when you bring drones into the mix which is also going to happen in parallel.

        It's the landing that I'm much more worried about. For

  • Mr. President, we must not allow an exotic helicopter gap!

    • by cstacy ( 534252 )

      Mr. President, we must not allow an exotic helicopter gap!

      Many people ask me, What about the future? Well, rest assured, we will be there...

      "It's the bees and the spiders, Mr. President!"

  • How much more support do they need? One near me is already getting good loans from the federal govt. The local airport has in its master plan goals of growing the company. The city took rented airport property from non electric aircraft busineses and handed it to the electric aircraft maker. The governor is showing favortism towards the company, going on and on about how great they are. The Air Force is paying for its flight testing with a contract. Investors include one of the richest woman in the US (Mart

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