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US Official Urges China, Russia To Declare AI Will Not Control Nuclear Weapons 85

Posted by BeauHD from the human-decisions dept.
Senior Department arms control official Paul Dean on Thursday urged China and Russia to declare that artificial intelligence would never make decisions on deploying nuclear weapons. Washington had made a "clear and strong commitment" that humans had total control over nuclear weapons, said Dean. Britain and France have made similar commitments. Reuters reports: "We would welcome a similar statement by China and the Russian Federation," said Dean, principal deputy assistant secretary in the Bureau of Arms Control, Deterrence and Stability. "We think it is an extremely important norm of responsible behaviour and we think it is something that would be very welcome in a P5 context," he said, referring to the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council.
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  • Hey, it could turn out all right (Score:4, Funny)

    by parityshrimp ( 6342140 ) on Friday May 03, 2024 @08:00PM (#64446422)

    AI controlling nuclear weapons might actually work out ok: https://xkcd.com/1626/ [xkcd.com]

  • Would a big dick like Putin, Kim, Xi, Trump, [ your favorite strong man here ], give up control?

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Falos ( 2905315 )

      I assume they can keep the penis bombs, just not hook them up to a black box lacking guaranteed behavior.

  • and what about the men with the brass keys?

    • They almost launched the nukes on several occasions. Pretty sure the world would have ended if we hadn't developed second strike capability, so now at least we don't have people itching to press the button "before it's too late".

  • Most of AI will act on things and we will never know the difference.

  • US Official Urges China, Russia To Declare AI Will Not Control Nuclear Weapons

    Russia, China Urge US To Declare That Orange Moron Will Not Control Nuclear Weapons.

  • In nuclear deterrence, it can be helpful to seem a little crazy. You want to tread more lightly with a country if you think it has its finger on the button. Imagine how much more lightly you would tread if you couldn't fathom the mind or decision making process that determined whether a nuclear strike was launched.

    It certainly needs more analysis, but this strategy seems compelling enough that countries may even claim AIs control their nukes regardless of whether it's true. Of course the US doesn't want any

  • Wow (Score:1)

    by Tailhook ( 98486 )

    They have appointed some astonishingly stupid people in this is administration. Exactly what, pray tell, does Paul Dean have to bargain with here? Good will?

    In diplomacy, you don't ask for things empty handed. When you do — and then your counterpart(s) laugh in your face — you are seen as weak and impotent. Is Mr. Dean prepared to close any trade doors for China? Is Mr. Dean offering to limit arms for Ukraine? Does he offer anything whatsoever, or is he just as fucking stupid as he appea

  • Response: We all promise that no one named Al will never, ever control the Nukes.

    What's that you say? There much be a translation problem? I don't think so.

    Now you got what you wanted, so give us lots in return. (What's that you say, Al, about your new friend Colossus?) OK, so never mind, we already have it.

  • Why bother? It's not like you can believe anything either one of them says.

  • AI doesn't need to control the nukes to use them, it just needs to control people, and it already does. You all are thinking of some kind of hard line separating singularity vs post-singularity, but it's a moving target defined by what can be grasped, and the bulk of the population is already on the "cannot grasp things" side. Just look at how social media warps brains, the financial markets control lives, the logistics of our food supply changes behaviors from self-sufficiency to dependency, the way the

  • They are only good for pacifying your public and making the other side think you're complying while you prep.

  • Use a small shell script that curls cnn.com and greps for the words missile and launched, if those two words are on the page then launch nukes towards all enemies.

  • What side do you want?
    1. USA
    2. USSR
    3. China
    4. Israel
    5. UK
    6. France
    7. India
    8. Pakistan
    9. North Korea

  • So many chicken shits. Who cares if we have a nuclear war? I don't. Light up the skies for all I care. If I die, I die. I don't care one bit. Fear not who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul.

  • Remember how early in February 2022 putin (rf's forever president), Lavrov (rf's forever foreign minister), patrushev (rf's "security council" top), volodin (rf parliament's speaker) and I don't know who else in the pederation declared "we're not going to ever attack Ukraine"?

    Remember how poohxi was smiling next to poohtin during the so-called "winter olympics" and waiting for his turn to grab at democratic Taiwan around that time?

    china and russia are not just casual liars, fakery is the nature of those reg

  • Every country makes declarations, and covertly does something else.

  • If this were anything other than propaganda offensive it would have started by publicly asking Britain, France, India and Pakistan to join the ban, not just Russia and China. They might even want to include North Korea and Israel even though they aren't acknowledged as legitimate nuclear powers.
  • USA: Guys, don't use AI to control your nukes

    Russia: OK China: Sure Nork: Supreme Leader has only button (and all food) England: No Boats... no Brexit... Nukexit... ok, we won't either India: Only for the nukes aimed at Pakistan, but sure

    USA: They bought it, he he he, Quick, hook our nukes up to Microsoft's Copilot.

    20 fingers and a pussy later....

  • Would not Trust any of them (including the US) to obey any such commitment. besides I would actually trust a well trained AI to make a better decision, the only problem is none of them would train it properly
  • When the S%&t hits the fan. Every entity in danger of defeat will push the full auto button if they have one available.
  • Have they extended the same public declaration & request to India & Pakistan? & have Israel admitted to having a stockpile of nuclear weapons yet? If any country were likely to use nuclear weapons in a conflict, it's Israel. They've consistently shown a blatant disregard for nuclear treaties & the Geneva Conventions.

    • These countries lack either the delivery vehicle to threaten the US with nukes or their nuclear weapons arsenal is not able to overload the defense screen of the US, so why bother with them?

      • Wow, that's pretty US-centric of you! So the billions of people that'd face the consequences of a nuclear war don't matter because they're not in range of your country?!

        • Yes, it's US centric. It's the US that poke Russia and China about it, guess why they poke them and not the others.

          Don't kill the messenger, I just tell you why the US isn't bothered with any of the other nuclear powers.

  • Who would believe them? Their word has demonstrably no value, their signature is worthless.

  • The US already has Colossus in use and it is looking for Guardian. CIA is worried, so we ask Russia to turn theirs off before Colossus makes contact.

  • Who cares what they declare? If the US were to believe it, it just shows they are morons.

  • China has a long-declared no first strike policy, and maintains a relatively small nuclear arsenal because of it. They promise not to use nuclear weapons unless you use them on them first. That doesn't take an AI, it's a pretty simple IF-THEN.

    If the USA believes China's no first strike policy, then calling for a no AI policy is pointless. If the USA doesn't believe China's no first strike policy, then calling for a no AI policy is senseless. Which goes to show what this is all about: a transparent propagand

  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
    "As flotilla chief of staff as well as executive officer of the diesel powered submarine B-59, Arkhipov refused to authorize the captain and the political officer to use nuclear torpedoes against the United States Navy [during the Cuban Missile Crisis", a decision that required the agreement of all three officers. In 2002, Thomas S. Blanton, then director of the U.S. National Security Archive, credited Arkhipov as "the man who saved the world"."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ [wikipedia.org]

  • Just have them watch Colossus: The Forbin Project

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