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Archie, the Internet's First Search Engine, Is Rescued and Running (arstechnica.com) 35

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: It's amazing, and a little sad, to think that something created in 1989 that changed how people used and viewed the then-nascent Internet had nearly vanished by 2024. Nearly, that is, because the dogged researchers and enthusiasts at The Serial Port channel on YouTube have found what is likely the last existing copy of Archie. Archie, first crafted by Alan Emtage while a student at McGill University in Montreal, Quebec, allowed for the searching of various "anonymous" FTP servers around what was then a very small web of universities, researchers, and government and military nodes. It was groundbreaking; it was the first echo of the "anything, anywhere" Internet to come. And when The Serial Port went looking, it very much did not exist.

While Archie would eventually be supplanted by Gopher, web portals, and search engines, it remains a useful way to index FTP sites and certainly should be preserved. The Serial Port did this, and the road to get there is remarkable and intriguing. You are best off watching the video of their rescue, along with its explanatory preamble. But I present here some notable bits of the tale, perhaps to tempt you into digging further.

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Archie, the Internet's First Search Engine, Is Rescued and Running

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  • Iâ(TM)m pretty sure the Serial Port guy did not post Archie for download. Sure there are some readme files/etc but no source or binary. Some Univeristy in Poland had the last copy and sent to Serial Port guy. Time to post on archive.org !!
    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      But no sources - so nobody can really preserve this unless the entire environment is preserved.

      • by jd ( 1658 )

        If you click on parent directory, then the beta directory, you find the source tarball.

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 ) <slashdot&worf,net> on Friday May 17, 2024 @01:02AM (#64478413)

      IÃ(TM)m pretty sure the Serial Port guy did not post Archie for download. Sure there are some readme files/etc but no source or binary. Some Univeristy in Poland had the last copy and sent to Serial Port guy. Time to post on archive.org !!

      Do people not know how directory traversals work?

      Here is the documents he posted:
      https://files.serialport.org/a... [serialport.org]

      Click on "orig" and you see the original LaTeX docs. Neat.

      But what's that little thing above it? "Parent Directory"? What could THAT possibly do...?

      • Based on the fucked up unicode in their post, they are posting from an Apple handheld device, and therefore yes, odds are that they are a clueless pleb who can not navigate a directory structure unless cheerful colored icons are involved.
  • Can we have gopher, ftp and alt.binaries.* over nntp back as well?

    • by vbdasc ( 146051 )

      FTP? I'm pretty sure there are still plenty of servers serving FTP around.

      Gopher? Try http://gopher.quux.org . If you gave a decent Web browser (Chrom* doesn't qualify, try Mosaic or Netscape 1/2/3/4) go directly to gopher://gopher.quux.org:70/1/ .

    • Can we have gopher, ftp and alt.binaries.* over nntp back as well?

      NNTP binaries will never come back in any scale because of the platform's reputation as a refuge for kiddie porn.

      • Hm, and here I was thinking they won't come back because downloading a torrent is a lot easier than fucking with uuencode/uudecode and split.

  • Would be good to bring back an extended finger protocol also ...
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] ...that would work for close family and friends who consent to share information. It's provide information like like GPS coordinates, estimates of whether they are busy or not (e.g., using ambient and body-worn sensors)

    • by ls671 ( 1122017 )

      Finger doesn't need a server dedicated to that task across domains. Any machine can run finger. I could easily run finger for all my domains email addresses for example just by myself. If you own on domain, you can setup your own finger service for your users / email addresses. So, it's up to each domain/machine/internet host to run a finger service if they wish to. You basically need to open the finger port and activate the finger service in each of your hosts yourself.

      • Yes -- 'finger user@domain' connected to 'domain' port 79 and used to returns the login status and '.plan' file for 'user'.

        But an extended and modernised finger protocol would:
        - work only for close family and friends who consent to share information.
        - optionally provide information like GPS coordinates
        - optionally estimates of what the user is doing using ambient and body-worn sensors. For example, its lunchtime and a wristwatch accelerometer data indicates to fingerd that the user is feeding himself. Or it

        • by inicom ( 81356 )

          shouldn't any new finger implementation include support of teledildonics?

        • by unrtst ( 777550 )

          Access control ("work only for close family and friends who consent to share information") aside, the rest of that stuff could just go into the ~/.plan file that is shared. The user could decide what to put in the .plan file (IE: what they want to share), and tools could be used to automate updates to the .plan file, but the protocol would not necessarily need to be changed for that stuff.

          Working with 3rd parties... I don't see a big difference between "finger user@domain" and "finger user@gmail.com". Maybe

          • I like the way you think - why extend the protocol when you can reuse it, .plan and all.

            I agree: just use .plan or .project to send back location, contact details, availablity and upcoming availability using one of a dozen information exchange formats.

            In fact I see massive use case in booking appointments with someone you've not corresponded with before, nor exchanged calendars with.

            The only problem is establishing circles of trust. How much to disclose when you don't know the identity of the finger client

    • by jd ( 1658 )

      I really don't recommend telling admins in America that an extended finger is good.

      *runs away and hides under a rock

    • I have doubts over the verb form of this protocol, especially for friends and relatives
  • Back in my day, we used to have to drive our mainframes uphill both ways with hamsters on a wheel to get it to add a couple of numbers.

    When we got Archie, it was all the rave. FTP had never been so k-rad.

    It was great to have a search like this instead of collecting links off of 'boards'.
    --
    What is the world coming to? -- Ozzy Osbourne

  • .. let's bring back RAM limits of 1KB... and GeoCities... and ... punch cards and..

    You know what. Memberberries are for chumps.

    • Somewhere around here, I'm pretty sure I have a couple of my old college programming assignments saved in the form of paper tape...

      • Ayup, bit rot, wear and tear, were real problems in the days of paper cards and tapes.
      • by pjt33 ( 739471 )

        I've definitely still got handwritten copies of the programs I had to delete from my calculator before I was allowed to take it into exams.

  • by Adrian Harvey ( 6578 ) on Friday May 17, 2024 @05:18AM (#64478601)

    Australian Archie ran on a.au. About the shortest possible global DNS-based host name. Was great when you needed to test your net connection and wanted something quick to type! ping a.au. And you were away!

    • by sconeu ( 64226 )

      I just pinged it. a.au still exists.

      C:\Users\Scott>ping a.au

      Pinging a.au [58.65.254.1] with 32 bytes of data:
      Reply from 58.65.254.1: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=57
      Reply from 58.65.254.1: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
      Reply from 58.65.254.1: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=57
      Reply from 58.65.254.1: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=57

      Ping statistics for 58.65.254.1:
      Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
      Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
      Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms,

  • by 0xG ( 712423 ) on Friday May 17, 2024 @10:09AM (#64479083)

    In a name that always gave me a chuckle, there was a search engine called Veronica as well.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... [wikipedia.org]

    • by jd ( 1658 )

      Veronica worked with Gopher, IIRC.
      As best as I can remember, WAIS didn't need a search engine.

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