Pew Research Finds 64% of Americans Live Within Two Miles of a Public EV Charger (pewresearch.org) 196
"64% of Americans live within 2 miles of a public charging station," Pew Research reported this week, citing a survey paired with an analysis of U.S. Energy Department data that found over 61,000 publicly accessible charging stations.
And those who live closest to public chargers "view EVs more positively." The vast majority of EV charging occurs at home, but access to public infrastructure is tightly linked with Americans' opinions of electric vehicles themselves. Our analysis finds that Americans who live close to public chargers view EVs more positively than those who are farther away. Even when accounting for factors like partisan identification and community type, Americans who live close to EV chargers are more likely to say they:
- Already own an electric or hybrid vehicle
- Would consider buying an EV for their next vehicle
- Favor phasing out production of new gasoline cars and trucks by 2035
- Are confident that the U.S. will build the necessary infrastructure to support large numbers of EVs on the roads
The number of EV charging stations has more than doubled since 2020. In December 2020, the Department of Energy reported that there were nearly 29,000 public charging stations nationwide. By February 2024, that number had increased to more than 61,000 stations. Over 95% of the American public now lives in a county that has at least one public EV charging station.
EV charging stations are most accessible to residents of urban areas: 60% of urban residents live less than a mile from the nearest public EV charger, compared with 41% of those in the suburbs and just 17% of rural Americans.
California is home to about 25% of all of America's charging stations, according to the report. But this means EV-owning Californians "might also have a harder time than residents of many states when it comes to the actual experience of finding and using a charger." Despite having the most charging stations of any state, California's 43,780 individual public charging ports must provide service for the more than 1.2 million electric vehicles registered to its residents. That works out to one public port for every 29 EVs, a ratio that ranks California 49th across all 50 states and the District of Columbia.
At the other end of the spectrum, Wyoming (one-to-six), North Dakota (one-to-six) and West Virginia (one-to-eight) have the most ports relative to the much smaller number of EVs registered in their respective states.
Another interesting finding? "Attitudes toward EVs don't differ that much based on how often people take long car trips.
"In fact, those who regularly drive more than 100 miles are slightly more likely to say they currently own an electric vehicle or hybrid — and also to say they'd consider purchasing an EV in the future — when compared with those who make these trips less often."
And those who live closest to public chargers "view EVs more positively." The vast majority of EV charging occurs at home, but access to public infrastructure is tightly linked with Americans' opinions of electric vehicles themselves. Our analysis finds that Americans who live close to public chargers view EVs more positively than those who are farther away. Even when accounting for factors like partisan identification and community type, Americans who live close to EV chargers are more likely to say they:
- Already own an electric or hybrid vehicle
- Would consider buying an EV for their next vehicle
- Favor phasing out production of new gasoline cars and trucks by 2035
- Are confident that the U.S. will build the necessary infrastructure to support large numbers of EVs on the roads
The number of EV charging stations has more than doubled since 2020. In December 2020, the Department of Energy reported that there were nearly 29,000 public charging stations nationwide. By February 2024, that number had increased to more than 61,000 stations. Over 95% of the American public now lives in a county that has at least one public EV charging station.
EV charging stations are most accessible to residents of urban areas: 60% of urban residents live less than a mile from the nearest public EV charger, compared with 41% of those in the suburbs and just 17% of rural Americans.
California is home to about 25% of all of America's charging stations, according to the report. But this means EV-owning Californians "might also have a harder time than residents of many states when it comes to the actual experience of finding and using a charger." Despite having the most charging stations of any state, California's 43,780 individual public charging ports must provide service for the more than 1.2 million electric vehicles registered to its residents. That works out to one public port for every 29 EVs, a ratio that ranks California 49th across all 50 states and the District of Columbia.
At the other end of the spectrum, Wyoming (one-to-six), North Dakota (one-to-six) and West Virginia (one-to-eight) have the most ports relative to the much smaller number of EVs registered in their respective states.
Another interesting finding? "Attitudes toward EVs don't differ that much based on how often people take long car trips.
"In fact, those who regularly drive more than 100 miles are slightly more likely to say they currently own an electric vehicle or hybrid — and also to say they'd consider purchasing an EV in the future — when compared with those who make these trips less often."
Ratio of about 1 to 10 (Score:5, Insightful)
There are 183,000 or so EV chargers in the US: https://electrek.co/2024/05/24... [electrek.co])
There are as many as 1.8 million gas pumps in the US. https://www.enelxway.com/us/en... [enelxway.com].
So the ratio of chargers to pumps is about 1:5 to 1:10.
We're getting there, but still a ways to go.
64% of the population comes out to 213 million or so.
So, for those people who live within 2 miles of a charger, there are about 1 for every 1,000 people. For the other 36% of the population, well, good luck.
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Yeah, but by that standard, you also have a lot of plugs at people's homes. By that standard, sure, there's 61k public chargers, 1.8M gas stations. - but there's like 2.4M private charging stations.
Since most people don't need to visit a public station for every single charge, that means that you need fewer public chargers per EV.
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As far as I can tell, there's no stats on that at all, just what it could turn out to be aroubd 2030.
There are 82M detached single-family homes in the US, nearly all of which have at least one exterior outlet somewhere. This means there are at least 82M private "charging stations". Yeah, they're L1, but cars spend a lot of time parked at home. An L1 charger provides about 5 miles per hour, so with, say, 12 hours per day of charging that's 60 miles per day, or 420 miles per week. Since the average American drives about 300 miles per week, that's actually completely adequate for normal everyday use. Fas
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Giving the time it takes to charge an EV, you need a lot more plugs than pumps to account for that. So it's not 1/10, it's much lower.
We have a lot more plugs than pumps. You should count the number of power outlets in American garages. The reality is, unlike a gasoline vehicle the majority of EVs will never ever use a public fast charger. And nearly all EVs will only very rarely use them.
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Of course, my math is simplistic. It's still useful information.
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The problem is that because EV charging is so much slower than gasoline filling, in order to replace fueled vehicles entirely, you need not to have as many chargers as pumps, but to have several times as many level 3 chargers as pumps. Home charging doesn't help much if you want actual replacement utility -- it actually hurts because it makes the peak-to-modal usage ratio of superchargers higher. Like the old Bell system which was sized according to the number of people calling on Christmas (or Mother's D
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I can see it now. Rolling blackouts triggered by Thanksgiving day trips to Grandma's house.
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I left my Tesla at the airport for 2 weeks. No problem. I turned off the security camera system and the auto-AC cooling system. Lost 3% power over those 2 weeks.
I park in the garage;my house hasn't burned down, charging off my high speed charger which only cost a few hundred bucks to install.
My repairs in 5 years have totaled $113 at the Tesla shop plus tires and a bottle of windshield wiper fluid.
Truly horrible experience. Ymmv.
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Uh, why isn't her 2020 battery still under warranty?
Mine is older and still has a few years left.
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Catching fire: As you mention, that's for a specific sucky manufacturer.
Hook up to charging port every night: I know of people who consider 1-2 times a week sufficient. Depends on how much you drive. But you can charge at home, don't need to visit a gas station, so might as well?
Parking in storage facility over the winter: You do realize that there's actual winterization stuff you're supposed to do if you're going to be storing a gasoline vehicle for this long, right? Note: I was active duty, deploye
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Sure, you have to remember to hook it up to its charging port every night. That may not seem like a burden, but you can't neglect it like parking it in storage facility over the winter, or even leave it parked for two weeks at an airport while you go on an overseas vacation.
Not sure where you get this idea from. My Polestar hasn't been charged or driven in the past 4 weeks and according to the app it seems to have lost 2% charge. Assuming linear extrapolation I can happily leave it unattended for several years (yeah it's not linear, but the point is the same, 2 weeks is not an issue for an EV).
You know what can't be left unattended for a few months? My gasoline car. Did that during COVID and had to order a replacement battery... twice.
"Within two miles"? (Score:5, Insightful)
Would you buy a phone if you had to travel at least two miles to somewhere where you wait a long while to charge it? Nah, of course not.
The reality is a only very small percentage of people without the ability to charge at home will buy an EV.
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I can't recall the last time I had to wait in line to put gas in my regular car. My EV I charge at home because it's more convenient and I have had to wait for a charger.
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to be fair, that happens to me frequently. all my convenient gas station are off high traffic highways. i end up having to queue for 5 to 10 minutes about 1 out of 4 times.
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Hm, where do you live? Here that situation would just see someone build a new gas station for the guaranteed revenue. Your area obviously needs more stations.
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Ever go to Costco ? There is always a wait. Fortunately, I seldom need to fill up my PHEV.
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Yes, my Costco has 8 zillion pumps. I've never waited longer than the time it took one of the people to pay, get back in their car and leave. Under 60 seconds. Obviously this is all anecdotal for everyone but I've been driving for ~40 years; waiting a long time for a pump just isn't one of my life experiences whereas trying to find the charging station my nav claims is there (and isn't) or waiting a long time for a charger etc happened often enough I bought my own at home.
I've never once in my life thoug
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whereas trying to find the charging station my nav claims is there (and isn't) or waiting a long time for a charger etc happened often enough I bought my own at home
The fear that this will happen while I am on a trip is why I would never want to do a trip with an ev.
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Ever go to Costco ? There is always a wait. Fortunately, I seldom need to fill up my PHEV.
Yes, as a matter of fact it was yesterday morning when I drove up to the pump and fueled without waiting. Did it last week too. And the week before.
No reason to fuel up at the same time as everyone else, arrive early or late and you'll have the place to yourself.
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* Except for about two occasions in my life during a delivery drivers strike. We have electrical power cuts much more often.
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The difference is that gas stations are attended and usually under CCTV, at least here in the UK. Public chargers, however, are tucked away in corners of public car parks, often in dark areas with no CCTV. Those are fine during the day, but it doesn't take much to imagine that circumstances like that, you in a dark car park with a high-value car van easily turn into carjacking/kidnapping/rape scenes.
How many miles to a working charger? (Score:4, Interesting)
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That math says public charger availability is mediocre. A 2 mile radius is about 1/5th of a major city like Washington DC. 80% of Americans live in cities, yet only 64% have a charger within 2 miles.
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I live in the 13th largest city in the US. There is neither a public EV charger, nor a gas station, within 2 miles.
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> Would you buy a phone if you had to travel at least two miles to somewhere where you wait a long while to charge it? Nah, of course not.
Well for most people a gas station is a mile or two away and I don't see anyone complaining. The key difference is a gas station is a dedicated facility that you need to make a dedicated stop to, whereas EV charging locations are typically places you're already going to for other reasons and, ideally, places you'll be spending some time at anyway.
> The reality is a
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2 miles from home is not a useful statistic.
2 miles from anywhere I might be or along my route is the difference between gas and charger stations.
For any trips longer than half my max capacity I take my ice because it sucks finding a charger and charging my EV out in the field.
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>> "Practically 0%* of people who own a car have the ability to refuel at home"
Nope. 3 million people recharge at home today. This number will double many times in the next decade.
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> Nope. 3 million people recharge at home today.
3 million people have gasoline pumps at their house? (I think you missed the context...)
=Smidge=
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.Well for most people a gas station is a mile or two away and I don't see anyone complaining. The key difference is a gas station is a dedicated facility that you need to make a dedicated stop to, whereas EV charging locations are typically places you're already going to for other reasons and, ideally, places you'll be spending some time at anyway.
I don't complain about a gas station being 2 miles away because I will pass it (and many others) on a journey and stopping to fill up adds no more than 5 minutes to the journey.
You can also stop an EV at a charging station en-route, but for a far longer delay of course, but the real relevance of the "up to 2 miles to a charger" is if you want to charge while you are at home or at a hotel etc so as to take nothing from your time, but your home/hotel has no charger. So you would need to walk up to 2 miles
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15 minutes these days is enough for a substantial charge, and with 40 minutes you have a good chance of reaching 100%.
Doing anything useful? Let's assume you have around 30 minutes to burn.
In that time you could get something to eat, go for a walk (always nice on long drives to shake things out), hit up a store for some better snacks and a drink, go to the bathroom, etc...
By the way, last time I plotted a long trip, most of the charging was in the 15 minute range, not 30. And would be good for around 2 ho
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In that time you could get something to eat, go for a walk (always nice on long drives to shake things out)
Not only is it nice, it ought to be mandatory. There's a reason the commercial sector limits continuous driving hours, it's because human concentration is finite and you just become a worse driver after too long behind the wheel. That doesn't just endanger you, that's not the problem, it endangers other people.
Tough I'm sure we'll hear from all the supermen on slashdot who have not been tested to see i
Re:Time matters (Score:4, Insightful)
>> That's a lot of time you have to burn
Not really.
From owning EVs since a few years, I can relate that you use up less time in general, when have a garage to charge at home.
1) On all of the daily drives you don't need to go anywhere for weeks, because each morning you wake up to a "full tank"
2) On long trips, yes, you need to stop 25 min every 2-3hours (depending on size of the battery)
Overall, on a year, where 90% of the miles are daily routine drives, yeah, you spare _A_LOT_ of hours not driving to a stinky gas station.
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2) On long trips, yes, you need to stop 25 min every 2-3hours (depending on size of the battery)
To add to this: If you're not doing this in your gasoline car as well then you're a menace, a hazard on the road, and should absolutely start taking such breaks before you get someone killed. The evidence is clear: after 2-3 hours driving you may as well be driving drunk - fatigue works like that. And before you say you're better than that, the evidence is also clear that 90% of men think they are better than average drivers and that statistic don't apply to them, but statistics don't care about your feelin
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2) On long trips, yes, you need to stop 25 min every 2-3 hours (depending on size of the battery)
What?! Those numbers are backwards, unless you're driving a 10-year old tiny EV with a degraded battery. They're much, MUCH better now. My Ioniq 6 can go 300 miles on a full charge, which is about 4 hours at highway speeds (70 mph). Then a 20-25 minute rest and I'm back at over 90% charge.
And if you've ever stopped at a truck stop with spouse and kid(s) to stretch, go to the bathroom, get snacks, etc., then you know 20 minutes is about how long it'll take, depending on how busy it is.
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>> Unless they build enough infrastructure up here to accommodate more than 5 cars sitting around for 20+
Nope. Those chargers are absolutely not needed.
Everyone will charge with a reinforced 240V "dryer" outlet in their garage overnight.
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The reality is a only very small percentage of people without the ability to charge at home will buy an EV.
If you pull your wallet out of 2019 you'll more find reality of today.
The percentage of people without the ability to charge at home, live in an EV that now costs as much as one.
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What if you're travelling those 2 miles anyway? I don't have the ability to charge at home. I do have a charger in my street but ... I never use it. I use a charger 43km away from home - specifically the one near work, because unlike my phone which can barely go a day without being tethered to a cable, my car only uses battery while I drive it somewhere.
If there's a charger at a destination I don't need the charger at a source. Sure my car at home has never been above 89% charge since it chews through that
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Spoken by someone who doesn't own or understand an EV and charging. You bought a car you have to take someplace special to fuel up, and here's why that's different with an EV.
With an ICE car you go to the gas station for the purpose of putting fuel in your car -- gasoline or diesel. That's your reason for being there and everything else, snacks, restroom, food, is incidental. So you want to hurry.
Once a week I drive to Walmart and plug my EV in the fast charger. I then go in the store to shop and my EV is d
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I refuel at my home. No need to stop anywhere.
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But I can get to 80% in the time it takes for me to take a piss and stretch my legs a little, which is a reasonable amount.
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And I can go quite a bit further because I don't have to repeatedly take a long, forced, break
I see you've never tried taking a long road trip in an EV. It's really fine. You don't take long, forced breaks. The bio-driven breaks are adequate, though you may spend about five more minutes at each of the non-meal breaks, and 20 more minutes at meal breaks. The biggest impact of driving an EV is not the number of breaks you take or their duration, but their location. You stop where the chargers are, rather than somewhere else. Mostly this is fine, because the chargers are located in good places to
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Sure you could, but why would you? Not making regular breaks while driving beyond 150km or so only makes the life miserable.
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9 gas stations within a 1 mile radius.
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None for me within that range in San Jose. Or any business of any kind.
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Now do ICE vehicles.
Would you buy a car where you had to travel two miles to refill it! The nerve.
Tends to spell out the EV desperation that Greed refuses to be reflected in a price tag.
If the ICE market ever got that desperate, they would deserve harsh criticism too.
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>> this dream may be realized. No sooner.
Hmm.
Meanwhile, in the real world, this happens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Another Push Poll to influence public opinion (Score:2)
Notice how it sounds similar to campaign promises?
"phasing out production of new gasoline cars and trucks by 2035"
This single one works for a percent of city dwellers. It fails ~90% of the USA land mass and people away from cities.
https://css.umich.edu/publicat... [umich.edu] "Urban land area is 106,386 square miles, or 3% of total land area in the U.S."
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Fun with statistics. (Score:4, Informative)
As an EV owner and advocate, whenever I hear "public EV charging location" the immediate question is what the power level is. An "EV charging location" can literally be just a standard NEMA15 outlet, but what most people imagine when they hear those words is a Tesla supercharger or similar.
So digging into the data;
DC Fast Charge: 42,395 chargers across 10,092 locations
AC, Level 2: 131,755 cables across 55,366 locations
AC, Level 1: 813 cables across 186 locations
So the vast majority of these are Level 2 spots, which supply 208-240 volt single phase AC to the vehicle's on-board charger, with the range currently being 3KW to 19KW (though most cars top out at about 9KW). As a very rough gauge multiply that number by 3 to get miles of driving range added per hour, e.g. a L2 spot will get you 9 to 57 miles driveable range with most vehicles and installations getting you around 25-30.
This is is not what most people think of when you mention public EV charging. DC fast chargers start at 50kw for the older units and the current CCS standard in active deployment goes up to 350KW. DC charging curves are not linear and every vehicle is different but we're usually talking on the order of +150 miles in 15 minutes.
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This is is not what most people think of when you mention public EV charging.
No that's not what most Americans think. In Europe "public EV charging" most definitely includes L1 and L2 chargers because of the lack of suburban houses and garages most EVs do actually charge publicly and most people are aware that not ever lamp post is spitting out 150kW dimming the neighborhood lights as it hums away on your car. A L2 charger is easily enough to fill your car overnight / during the day. As long as you share it with a few people you can easily sustain a good portion of the population wi
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They stayed in long enough to win the standards war.
Tesla lost it. Everyone, Tesla included, has converged on CCS. Tesla's charging protocol is dead.
North America will now be CCS with the J3400 plug. Older Teslas won't be able to charge on other chargers without a CCS upgrade. Tesla chargers will continue to support Tesla's deprecated protocol for the time being.
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>> Tesla's charging protocol is dead.
Nobody cares the protocol, as long as the plug is standard.
95% of tesla cars on the road, and all built in the last 5 years support both protocols.
Yeah, old model S have an incompatibility ahead, but in daily use, they just use Tesla chargers and live a good life.
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Nobody cares the protocol
Of course they do. This is Slashdot. It's news for nerds, stuff that matters. Maybe you're on the wrong website.
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> Nobody cares the protocol, as long as the plug is standard.
Everyone cares about protocol, because if the plug is standard but the protocol isn't, then you'll plug in and it won't work.
But since the protocols are the standard, you can at least get an adapter if the plugs are different.
> Yeah, old model S have an incompatibility ahead
If by "ahead" you mean they've had that problem for several years now, sure.
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You mean they will need a software update?
No, they will need a CCS retrofit.
Tesla won the standard war where it counted, in the hardware.
No, Tesla fitted CCS hardware. CCS won. There's no point being emotional about it.
The protocol battle didn't matter
Of course it matters. The car doesn't charge otherwise.
perhaps Tesla will convince other companies to support the Tesla protocol
No, Tesla's protocol is dead. Everything will support CCS.
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A 2018 Honda Civic has a combined MPG of 32. Meaning if gasoline is $3.20 per gallon (about average in US right now) fuel costs you $0.10 per mile to drive that car.
My Ioniq 6 gets 4 mi/kWh and charging at home is $0.12 / kWh. Meaning it costs me $0.03 per mile to drive my car -- less than 1/3 of what it costs you. If I were to charge at an EA charging station, our costs per mile would be about the same.
Gas prices can fluctuate daily. Hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico or new craziness in the Middle East and y
That's a worthless statistic... (Score:2)
Without also knowing if that nearby charger is exclusively available to you for the duration required to charge your vehicle on a regular basis.
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Without also knowing if that nearby charger is exclusively available to you for the duration required to charge your vehicle on a regular basis.
What? You don’t choose your internet service provider based on the number of library hot spots available in your zip code? For shame. You must not want to save a planet one byte at a time. /s
Sure, but ... (Score:3)
64% of Americans Live Within Two Miles of a Public EV Charger
The voltage drop over the extension cord to the house is unacceptable. :-)
What kind of charger? (Score:2)
Does the single level 2 charger hanging on the side of the clinic count? It is open to the public.
Or does it have to be a fast charger to count?
Pointless Metrics. (Score:2)
I’ll bet 64% of Americans live within 2 miles of a bus stop too. And they give a shit just as much. Which is to say not at all.
I’ve seen some pathetic attempts to sell consumers on just how much they should be lusting after overpriced EVs, but that bullshit takes the cake.
Useless Data Point: (Score:4, Interesting)
I live in a rural area; there are two places I know of with public EV chargers, both are 70 miles away. It is about 100 miles between those two locations. One is located in the parking lot of a gas station in a fair size town (has fast food and walmart), and is a few Tesla chargers as I recall. The other is in the parking lot of a bar&grill in a town that consists of that bar, a gas station, and a post office and a few dozen homes. *that* charger is some other version, and from my one look at it; *very* slow. (We ate lunch there, and the same car was still plugged in and charging when we left an hour later and walked back past the charger.)
Needless to say, EV adoption has been slow in these parts. I did see a tesla car and ‘cybertruck’ on a flatbed trailer at the local gas station a few months back though, which was interesting I guess.
What a waste of $ (Score:2)
Out of gas (Score:2)
I remember back in the day, like decades ago .. I ran out of gas and had to hitchhike (back when non serial killers used to pick up hitchhikers) a number of miles to the nearest gas station. You could bring a canister back. How does it work with electric cars? You carry a bunch of lithium ion batteries back?
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I How does it work with electric cars? You carry a bunch of lithium ion batteries back?
Just pull out your Jackery solar panels and wait a few days. You'll be right as rain.
We switched from a plugin back to pureplay dinosaur burner a few years back after playing yet another round of Find A Working Charger on a road trip. That one got so bad I left the wife chilling in the car while I ubered around checking stations trying to find one that 1. existed in real life 2. had power and 3. worked. I hear the charger network has gotten better, but still very very gun shy about trying again.
Just sayin' (Score:2)
Before I consider that impressive (Score:2)
Could we see what portion of Americans live inside large cities? Because, well, if 2/3 of Americans live in huge cities, being within 2 miles of a public charger isn't that impressive anymore.
2 miles too far (Score:2)
Recharging takes too long to be doing this outside of your home. I'm not hanging out in dodgy car parks after dark like a teenager who's into dogging. We're adults and need adult solutions.
Not the case for us (Score:2)
Even though we are in CA. But I really don't see the relevance of being within 2 miles of a public EV charger. Our PHEV/EV are within 3m of their respective EV chargers.
The PHEV is also not within 2 miles of a gas station. Closest is about 3 miles.
NO EV chargers in my county.... (Score:2)
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That doesn't say it all (Score:2)
When does the curve flatten? (Score:2)
It's nice that the vast majority charge at home. But when do we hit the wall on that growth? Seems like that group is home owners or renters who are in homes with the capacity to house charging systems who are also interested in buying an EV. When that group is mostly saturated, that's pretty much it. You might have some apartment buildings or condos that would be willing to install charge stations, but it's not 1 per suite, and most simply won't expend the cost.
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In fairness, the average American drives just under 40 miles per day. Something like 1% of daily driving is over 100 miles and that's not even necessarily all at once. All you need to make that work is access to an L2 charging spot for 3-4 hours at most, cumulative.
You just don't need every charging location to be DCFC.
Also fun fact: There is no such thing as "Level 3" and never has been. It's Level 1 (120VAC), Level 2 (208/240VAC), and DCFC. You know how some gun nuts immediately tune you out if you say "
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Except that either means you're multiplying the amount of trips you need to take to the charger, or the amount of time spent at the charger vs gasoline cars. Which means you need even more chargers comparatively to gas pumps in any given area. since such logic applies to everybody. So as was said, unless they're fast chargers they're useless.
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> Except that either means you're multiplying the amount of trips you need to take to the charger, or the amount of time spent at the charger vs gasoline cars.
The chargers are where you were going anyways, and the time spent is already time you're spending not driving.
> So as was said, unless they're fast chargers they're useless
I can get by indefinitely on L1 at-home charging because it turns out, no matter how much driving I do on a typical day, I do a lot more not-driving in that same 24-hour perio
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In fairness, the average American drives just under 40 miles per day. Something like 1% of daily driving is over 100 miles and that's not even necessarily all at once
Most days I drive 0 miles. With that logic I should not own a car. Most folks
Also fun fact: There is no such thing as "Level 3" and never has been. It's Level 1 (120VAC), Level 2 (208/240VAC), and DCFC. You know how some gun nuts immediately tune you out if you say "clip" when you actually mean "magazine" because they figure you just don't know enough to have a valid opinion?.. yeah don't fall into that trap.
Also fun fact: DCFC is commonly referred to as Level 3.
Direct-current fast charger (DCFC), sometimes referred to as a Level 3 -- Department of Energy
Lastly, some public stations are level 3 chargers, also known as DCFC or DC Fast Chargers. - Charge Hub
This level 3 DC fast charger... - EV Charge Solutions
Level 3 Is A Perfectly Legitimate Term For DC Fast Charging - CleanTechnica
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> With that logic I should not own a car.
I mean... yeah maybe. Have you weighed your options recently? Could be saving a bunch of money.
> DCFC is commonly referred to as Level 3
And "magazines" are commonly referred to as "clips." Doesn't mean it's right though, does it? All your examples are either just recognition that the public uses an unofficial name for it, or articles written by people who don't know better (but probably should). Maybe put your internet searching skills to use and find an actual
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Most of the time, PHEVs are included in with EVs. I happen to agree with you - my current ideal vehicle would be a PHEV with a "range extender" engine capable of acting as a generator. It takes massively less battery than a pure EV.
But people do have a point - with a PHEV you still have to deal with all the complexities and downsides of both gasoline and electric systems.
Still, I think that going 100% PHEV would do a lot more for the environment than 10% EV.
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PHEV is obsolete junk.
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Its the Upper Middle Class who sit on local city councils and zoning boards. As the upper middle starts using EVs they will just change zoning so that petrol pumps cant be built inside cities (for safety and pollution reasons). So anyone sticking with an ICE will have to drive miles outside the city to refuel.
You keep spelling 'progressive ideologues' oddly. Zero chance the political bell curve of upper middle class folks would push to eliminate gasoline within city limits in our lifetimes. YMMV for regions that also spell gasoline as petrol or US urban areas that lean heavily left.
(looking at you Portland who already has a city limits ban on petroleum diesel on the books with full implementation in 2030)
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>> petrol pumps cant be built inside cities
Petrol stations are a dying market.
Nobody wants to build a new petrol pump today.
No need of zoning laws to get them to close. market force will do naturally.
Speaking of zoning: The USA have plenty of reforms to do to allow mixed use walkable neighborhoods to happen.
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I mean, it's not all that long ago that 'car breaks down, and there's no zero nearby infrastructure' was a standard plot point.
I remember going on road trips that involved 'you stop at this one gas station along this stretch of highway, or you're not making it to the next one.'