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Speed Limiters Now Mandatory In All New EU Cars (autoweek.com) 406

An anonymous reader shares a report: Cars have been able to figure out when they're speeding for a while, thanks to GPS as well as traffic sign recognition, and they've also been able to pump the brakes automatically when needed. Having a computer automatically slow down a car in response to posted speed limits, therefore, was not really a question of technical feasibility for some time -- but mandating it has been a question of political will. That political will has materialized in the European Union, and starting July 7 all new cars sold in the EU will feature intelligent speed assistance (ISA) systems.

The systems themselves have been working their way into newly introduced models of cars starting in 2022, so quite a few new cars on the road already feature them. The July 2024 regulation extends that mandate to all new vehicles being manufactured for sale in the EU. The objective is to protect Europeans against traffic accidents, poor air quality and climate change, empower them with new mobility solutions that match their changing needs, and defend the competitiveness of European industry," the European Commission said in a statement. The systems themselves operate through traffic sign recognition, as well as navigation systems. There will be four ways in which ISA systems will work to slow the vehicle down, and it will be up to the manufacturers to pick which one they want to use. The EU regulations permit a system that can use a cascaded acoustic warning, a cascaded vibrating warning, an accelerator pedal with haptic feedback, or a speed control function in which the speed of the vehicle will be gradually reduced.

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Speed Limiters Now Mandatory In All New EU Cars

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  • by chuckugly ( 2030942 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @11:44AM (#64612875)

    It would be nice if I could exceed the speed limit to get my kid to the hospital in an emergency, if conditions allowed it.

    • 3 of the 4 methods definitely allow that, and the 4th depends on how aggressive the slowly reduce speed is.

      It'd be interesting to see how much travel time they actually add in a remote emergency situation though.

      • by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @11:56AM (#64612941)

        We've all been on the road to have another car blast past you way over the limit only to end up both stopped at the same traffic light. There's also diminishing returns at highway speeds, going 80 vs 70 may save you minutes but if a crisis is that important I'd rather my kid wait for an ambulance and ride with the care of an EMT than in my backseat with my attention divided.

        • by Targon ( 17348 )

          There is a big difference between local roads and highways when it comes to speed. At 5:30 in the morning, on the highway, doing 75-80 miles per hour is very safe, and honestly, doing below 70 might be seen as obstructing the normal flow of traffic at that hour with low traffic volume. When you need to drive 60 miles(96.5km) to get to work, losing 10 minutes on the drive to driving slower is going to make the commute take an extra 15-20 minutes as traffic volumes increase once you get to 6:00 in the mor

          • This is total semantics dome but sure:

            None of that involves breaking the law (in spirit which is keeping with the flow of traffic) which is what OP describes. Nobody has an issue with that.

            If traffic isn't low times are far more equalized.

            Very small percentage of people have daily a commute of 60 miles (120mi round trip?) Average per day is 42 miles total with most commutes being under 20 miles.

        • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

          We've all been on the road where a faster car makes the light and you don't. It cuts both ways. One thing's for sure, waiting for an ambulance in an emergency is frequently NOT an option.

          • by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @12:21PM (#64613085)

            Yeah but we would say that guy who broke the law to make the light should be discouraged from doing that right? It's not good in the societal sense to have people speeding on the roads right?

            One thing's for sure, waiting for an ambulance in an emergency is frequently NOT an option.

            Unless the person with the problem is also actually still mobile enough to get to the car it frequently is the only option and it's a better option than expecting people to execute dangerous driving (while they are distracted and distraught no less). If ambulances are slow (and in the US too expensive) then that's the issue to fix.

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              by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @12:36PM (#64613153)
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              • That can all be true but that is not a good argument against this type of law. We can't design laws around extreme edge cases.

                I still would have taken them to the hospital, and I would have had a legal defense against any charge of drunk driving for doing so.

                Probably but not if you had an accident, you'd still be found liable, if not criminally than civilly. This is an edge case and edge cases end up in front of a judge usually, that's how they become edge cases.

                and had I been pulled over for such an offense (I was not, again, nobody around) do you really think an officer would have issued that ticket once he saw the blood soaked human moaning in agony?

                They probably would have provided you an escort, as they should so that you could travel fast and reduce the danger. Did you call the local line and let them know you had this

        • Yes, of course you would. SMH.
      • It'd be interesting to see how much travel time they actually add in a remote emergency situation though.

        It will depend on the circumstance. Studies about people speeding show they only arrive a few seconds to a few minutes [hiroad.com] earlier than someone else driving the speed limit (for a trip less than 50 miles). Also, by speeding, you are using more fuel/charge due to need to get up to speed and maintain that speed.

        To the OP's point, there's always that one which has to bring up an ulikely scenario. P
      • by kiviQr ( 3443687 )
        Have you ever seen ambulance in the city speeding? Goal is to deliver patient safely to the hospital not have more patients.
    • by Max_W ( 812974 )

      It would be nice if I could exceed the speed limit to get my kid to the hospital in an emergency, if conditions allowed it.

      People have different understanding of what an emergency is. It may be delivering a sick kitten to a veterinary clinic. Or a grandma who does not answer the phone-call. Or an iron that was probably left switched on. Or a depressive condition that requires some fast driving to clear the head. And so on and so forth.
      However exceeding the speed limit may lead to an accident that would slow down everyone for hours.

    • It would be nice if I could exceed the speed limit to get my kid to the hospital in an emergency, if conditions allowed it.

      The EU knows better than you. They are doing this because it is the will of their citizens.

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      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @12:18PM (#64613073)
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      • by boskone ( 234014 )

        Yes, all of these things are mandated by people who've never lived outside of a city with mass transit.

        The number of times I've had to rush due to life safety (which could include fleeing a road rage incident, responding to a natural disaster, rushing someone to the hospital) is a long ways from zero.

      • and everything to do with whoever makes the tech lobbying congress.

        The way you stop that is teaching people & kids that name recognition is now how you pick a candidate. That's why you need so much money in politics. Half the country just votes for whatever name they saw on a sign.
    • This functionality has been a part of Tesla's autopilot for some time, in an opt-in capacity. To override, you simply just need to scroll the right thumb-wheel up to increase the speed limiter when autopilot / cruise control is enabled, disable autopilot / cruise control and opt for manual control, or go into the autopilot settings and disable the behavior with one toggle switch.

      I can't imagine anyone would implement this in a different way, unless mandated by governmental regulation to do so. Well, unless

    • That's what ambulances are for.
    • The ratio of actual emergencies to idiots abusing such a mode for speeding is 1:10000 if not more. That's the main reason for such a law.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 )

      It would be nice if I could exceed the speed limit to get my kid to the hospital in an emergency, if conditions allowed it.

      If you need to speed to get your kid to hospital you're a horrible fucking parent for not calling them an ambulance. Way to go not only making sure your kid gets to their emergency slower, but also putting their life as well as the lives of others in danger.

      Hand in your fucking drivers license moron.

    • That is why ambulances and police vehicles have those bright flashing lights and sirens.

      Oh, your police/ ambulance service is inadequate? Remember every time you voted for someone promising "lower taxes". Well, you've had your lower taxes, and now you've got a dead kid. But a fuller bank balance. You can use the bank balance to buy another kid.

  • I've been dithering on whether to buy a new car for 2 or 3 years because I really don't like cars being online and reporting all I do and everywhere I go to the manufacturer.

    And now cars are legally obligated to do that in the EU to get up-to-date maps.

    Well, fuck that: I've decided the bus is a better alternative. No new car for me.

    • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      There's always a silver lining. Bye.

    • The summary says "traffic sign recognition, as well as navigation systems." Neither of those require being online, or uploading anything at any time.
  • FUCK THIS.

    If they try importing this over here to the US, I'll not be buying any new European cars...

    • FUCK THIS.

      If they try importing this over here to the US, I'll not be buying any new European cars...

      Yeah, right. Our control-freak government won't be able to resist this temptation if they pay attention to it. Anything to exert control in the supposed name of safety. Granted, they may not bother since most of the government officials steeped in the ways of traffic control are currently obsessed with the fantasy of computer controlled cars that *NO ONE* drives, because again, supposedly, safety.

      We live in a fascist world now. Every government wants complete control, and dipshit constituents eat that shit

    • Congress already mandated this.

      Only Thomas Massie made a stink about it, as he does most things of tyranny. Hell, he probably has an account on here being an old-school alpha nerd.

      His wife was mysteriously killed last week, so be kind while searching his Twitter.

  • Governments love setting precedent that allows them to take much stronger action in the future. Sorry, but now we're taking away your cars to protect Europeans against traffic accidents, poor air quality and climate change.

  • by W2k ( 540424 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @11:56AM (#64612939) Journal
    I can already tell from the comments posted so far that nobody reads TFA, so let me explain what this actually is.

    It is not a speed limiter. It does not limit your maximum speed. Cars in the EU can still go as fast as they did before. The now-mandated tech is a system that ingests speed limit data and notifies you that you are about to exceed it. If you want to, that's still your choice.

    Doesn't sound as bad now, does it? In fact, I'd bet a lot of cars sold in the US have this same feature, it's just that it's either off by default or you've been happily ignoring it. Every car I've owned for the last several years have had it, even though it wasn't a requirement then.
    • The haptic feedback accelerator pedal is something I've wanted for a while. Have the pedal be slightly harder to push further down when at a certain speed. That won't stop you from going faster if you consciously want to, but it will make you naturally control your speed without even thinking about it. Though I would want to be able to specify where that point is (say, 5 or 10 mph over the speed limit).
    • by chthon ( 580889 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @12:12PM (#64613021) Journal

      Indeed. However, there are still big flaws in the system.

      I have a new electric Volvo XC40 (new job), and it includes such a system. However, I think that 25% to 40% of its indications are incorrect.

      • There is a road close to where I live where the limit is 50km/h, and it indicates 30km/h.
      • Near to that road is a bike zone with a speed limit of 30km/h, but it indicates 50km/h.
      • On the highway to my working place, there is a zone where it indicates 70km/h instead of 120 km/h.

      This is off the top of my head, but there are definitely a whole lot of other places where the indication is incorrect.

      And its not because the system is not precise. At one point this weekend I was on a part of a road where there was an overtaking ban. The signal started and stopped exactly at the start and end of the road mark.

      • Actually, I have a funny one as well...

        There's a road here in California called Pacific Coast Highway. As the name implies, it runs along the coast of the Pacific Ocean. Very scenic.

        Where I live, there's a stretch of that road where the speed limit is 60 mph. Now because this road is by the ocean, there's a big parking lot for all the people to park their cars at the beach. And there's a service road for you to drive along to enter the parking lot. And the speed limit on this service road is 15 mph.

        And

    • You obviously didn't read TFA either - or even the Slashdot summary.

      Four options are giving to manufacturers, with the last option being:

      "or a speed control function in which the speed of the vehicle will be gradually reduced."

      That sounds rather like "speed limiting" to me, does it not?
    • So something that aggravates, annoys, and distracts you while driving at a fast speed? Awesome! That's exactly what I need. Make it sound like a whiny spouse complaining you're going too fast and it'll be perfect.

    • Sure, it notifies you. In at least some cars, this is via a loud and deliberately annoying BERP BEEP BEEP that you cannot shut off.
  • What marketing moron developed this statement:

    empower them with new mobility solutions that match their changing needs,

    That's some Grade A bullshittery.

    OMG, and they call it "Intelligent Speed Assistance" LOL.

    • What marketing moron developed this statement:

      empower them with new mobility solutions that match their changing needs,

      That's some Grade A bullshittery.

      OMG, and they call it "Intelligent Speed Assistance" LOL.

      They're taking directions from American fantasy peddlers. Empowerment now means enslavement. Intelligent now means anything attached to a computer, no matter how dumb the computer. Safety now means clamped to a bed in a rubber room for your own well-being. Enjoy!

  • Noise (Score:5, Insightful)

    by heikkile ( 111814 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @12:11PM (#64613013)

    Could we please get a maximum noise limit on cars, motorbikes, and scooters. At least within city limits.

  • I did some traffic profiling recently with a speed monitoring device I built. You set it down next to a road and it estimates the speed of passing vehicles by measuring the amount of time it takes them to pass across the viewport of a small camera. I did some multi-day data gathering at several sites around where I live.

    What I found is that the vast majority of people drive responsibly and stay pretty close to the speed limit. Maybe 15% drive a little faster but not alarmingly much. Only about 5% of the tra

    • "Most people won't ever even be bothered by it" Most people driving the speed limit will exceed that limit by a little every now and then, even on cruise control. Imagine some nasty alarm going off in your car every few minutes when that happens. Sure, a small margin will fix that, but the current system does not have that margin (that is why I turned it off in my car). Besides, the system often gets the speed limit wrong.
  • This might make people hang on to the old car for a bit longer.
  • Well, this story certainly touched a nerve, but no Funny showing so far.

    Me? I haven't driven in decades and my recent sex life would bore the Pope to tears. One out of two ain't bad in relation to the average Slashdot nerd? Oh well.

    (But I drove plenty of cars and motorcycles and even a few airplanes in my wild and crazy youth... Also too many helicopter rides, but one is too many. And lucky to have survived a couple of adverse events...)

    But I'm already beginning to regard Slashdot as too low a return on my

  • What happens if GPS has an error and it reads you as being on a different road or an access road with a reduced speed limit. All cars on the highway are reduced to residential speeds because the GPS satellite is having an issue and it thinks all vehicles are 50 miles/KM away on a different residential road. If you've ever experienced a GPS satellite failure there can be a lot of error in where you are perceived to be.

  • by Chelloveck ( 14643 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @12:52PM (#64613219)

    The main question, of course, is if these systems are so easy to ignore, will they have a measurable effect on the rate of traffic accidents that are linked to speeding, or will they become another system that will be easy to tune out, like pop-up ads?

    That's it! A system to give you pop-up ads if you're speeding! Don't want ads, stay under the speed limit. Go a little over, get a static text ad. Go a medium bit over get a video ad. Go a lot over, get a loud, obnoxious ad playing over the audio system without regard to the volume setting.

    Outta my way, I have to call the patent office!

  • Near my house is a bridge that crosses another road at a shallow angle. The road on the bridge has a speed limit if 80. The road below is 30. Every nav program gets confused as to which road you are on.

    Another example: a highway with an access road immediately next to it. Nav systems are never sure which road you are on.

    Finally: EU regulations "encourage" speedometers to report a higher speed than you are actually traveling. Not only for this reason, but literally everyone's speefs by a few kmh on an open

  • you must buy navigation plan or no car for you!
    as our system needs navigation data to work.

  • If you speed in a school zone, then with no warning it ejects the driver from the car, then purposefully self destructs the motor.

  • Enough said.
    • Enough said.

      Drivers the world over have proven without a doubt that they need a nanny. The problem is they give drivers licenses to everyone, not just responsible people. Look around you, half the people sharing the road with you are below average intelligence. Even if you do everything right, there's still a good chance someone else will kill you. That's why we have limits and law enforcement in the first place.

  • by BDeblier ( 155691 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @02:52PM (#64613693) Homepage

    [Belgium, so EU] My 2020 Toyota Corolla has speed sign recognition, but it keeps seeing speed stickers on the back of trucks (applied three next to one another) as actual speed limit signs. It also fails to recognize about 80% of end of speed zone signs. It furthermore fails to realize about 100% of the time that a speed limit sign only applies to the next intersection with a road coming from the right. The technology still leave TONS of room for improvement.

  • by frdmfghtr ( 603968 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @03:50PM (#64613887)

    Does this mean that they also figured out how to differentiate which speed limit applies? If they have, I'd like to hear about it. It's nice that my car cameras can pick up speed limit signs independently of any data connection, but when a single segment of roadway has multiple speed limit signs (speed limit, truck with trailers limit, bus limit, and minimum speed...I'm looking at you, Illinois tollway) and the speed-limit aware cruise control can't figure out which is which, it makes for a dynamic time.

    • Does this mean that they also figured out how to differentiate which speed limit applies? If they have, I'd like to hear about it.

      Mine does, but it can't read the time so when variable speed limits apply for certain times it displays the higher of the two along with a box that says "Time" underneath it. It also has no problem reading the dynamic signs over the highway. But it does have problems with the all-clear sign. Likewise when there's a different sign for trucks and cars it also defaults to the highest one.

      The only one it really gets wrong is the signs on the autobahn which enforce a speed limit only when the road is wet.

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