US To Issue Proposed Rules Limiting Chinese Vehicle Software in August (reuters.com) 31
The U.S. Commerce Department plans to issue proposed rules on connected vehicles next month and expects to impose limits on some software made in China and other countries deemed adversaries, a senior official said Tuesday. From a report: "We're looking at a few components and some software - not the whole car - but it would be some of the key driver components of the vehicle that manage the software and manage the data around that car that would have to be made in an allied country," said export controls chief Alan Estevez at a forum in Colorado.
In May, Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said her department planned to issue proposed rules on Chinese-connected vehicles this autumn and had said the Biden administration could take "extreme action" and ban Chinese-connected vehicles or impose restrictions on them after the Biden administration in February launched a probe into whether Chinese vehicle imports posed national security risks.
In May, Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said her department planned to issue proposed rules on Chinese-connected vehicles this autumn and had said the Biden administration could take "extreme action" and ban Chinese-connected vehicles or impose restrictions on them after the Biden administration in February launched a probe into whether Chinese vehicle imports posed national security risks.
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Must say the Biden "green" policies are totally incoherent. Biden administration massive tariffs on solar panels, EV, batteries aren't helping any plan for lowering emissions.
If the need to antagonize and war monger with China is so high there are thousands of other things we import from China on which we could place tariffs
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I wonder why they don't subsidise their domestic producers. That way the prices remain low so they are bought and installed widely, and their domestic production remains profitable so there's no risk to "national security".
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Depends if you want to "go green" or try to build industry. If priority is green, which all their wailing tells me it is, they should in fact let Chinese renewable energy gear be tariff free and slap taxes on the 1,000,000+ other things we import
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Don't worry. They'll struggle to make them as crappy as Teslas no matter how hard they try. It takes Musk's involvement for that. Actually, I shouldn't give them ideas. They'll probably force all foreign EVs to use Tesla software, and that will really bury the EV market in the US.
China is not our friend. (Score:5, Insightful)
From the fine article:
The Chinese foreign ministry has previously urged the United States "to respect the laws of the market economy and principles of fair competition." It argues Chinese cars are popular globally because they had emerged out of fierce market competition and are technologically innovative.
You first, China.
China hasn't respected the principles of fair competition for some time. Their entire government is opposed to fair competition since they do not allow the people to communicate freely to even know of what might be a better product or idea.
I feel a need to make a distinction between the Chinese people and the Chinese government. I have nothing against the people of China, and I wish them the best life they can live like I would any other human. I have a problem with the Chinese government, the few people at the top that keep the majority of the nation from living and learning as humans should, doing so by maintaining a monopoly on force and information.
The USA should not trade with nations that don't have some minimum of respect for human freedoms in their borders. I'll see people try to make the USA the "bad guy" for not trading with communist nations, that somehow by restricting trade us Americans are the cause of their poverty. It appears people confuse a trade embargo with a blockade.
A trade embargo is like if I decide I'd rather eat at one restaurant than another because I don't like the guy that runs that restaurant. This restaurant manager is someone I consider to be an ass that is abusive to his employees, makes inferior food (even if it may be cheaper), and the place is generally a dump. I may express my dislike for the guy, try to convince others to not eat at the restaurant, but I'm not taking any action to stop people from eating there or supplying him with what he needs to make his food. Presumably if enough people think similarly of the restaurant then it will go out of business, and that's kind of the point since we want to reward good behavior but not necessarily punish bad behavior. We just allow the bad behavior to play out naturally and see it die off because someone else does a better job.
A blockade would be like if I stand out in front of the door with a baseball bat and threaten to beat anyone that tries to enter. I don't want to blockade any other nation, and it doesn't sound like there's even a mention of the USA trying to blockade China. Because we don't like how they run things we can choose to take our business elsewhere. When they decide to hold themselves to the same standard they hold the USA then we should reward that with open trade.
In a free market both parties profit from every transaction. If I'm hungry and I have $20 then I can likely find someone willing to trade my $20 for a burger and a beer. I get fed and the other party has $20 that they can trade further for some beef and buns, or whatever, to feed more people later and make even more people better off than they were before. In a not-so-free market like China people are left in perpetual poverty because the government is taking from people and destroying that wealth with corruption and brutality.
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"(tariffs) raise revenue for the government, to restrict imports and protect domestic producers from foreign competition, and to reach reciprocity agreements that reduce trade barriers."
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What domestic producers? We have international oligopolies that jump from country to country as the legal environment constantly shifts to provide them with more and more profit. Monopolistic profit. I'm a hard core capitalist, and nationalist, and what is going on is NOT capitalism, and tariffs are not protecting shit, except the oligopolies and their monopoly rents.
Re: China is not our friend. (Score:1)
People modding above post down as troll is why the situation is hopeless, and why I don't give a fuck any more. Enjoy the boot on your face you dumb fucks.
Re:China is not our friend. (Score:5, Insightful)
The fsck are you smoking, man.
I love bashing China on their political rights as much as the next guy, but the rest of your rant is just... no. Watch a YouTube video, or something.
China has a hyper-competitive capitalist market economy, both internally, and externally. Competitive in a way that we do not even dream about. Case in point: https://insideevs.com/features... [insideevs.com] They have dozens, if not more electric car manufacturers, all of whom are competing furiously over their 1.4B ppl internal market, and for the rest of the world, it's going to be easy pickings from there. The issue with Chinese EVs is that once we get hit with their full swing, Western car manufacture will be toast. Our leaders are grasping at straws to stop that from happening.
China has outcompeted the West on almost everything now. They have done so historically on price and quantity, but they are going up on the IP value chain fast, and we are sleepwalking into discovering that suddenly, they will not be known as crap anymore. Your assiciation of China with cheap crap comes from the fact that our own Western retailers have the Chinese manufacture for them the cheapest crap possible, but that's just one part of the equation. They are not your cheap restaurant, they are all of the restaurants everywhere ever. Both the cheap crap stuff around you, the best of the best around you, and everything in between is made in China. It's just that for most of our stuff, we only care about the price, we get what we pay for, and then we look for a mommy to complain to. But look around on their web stores and you will see that the Chinese themselves are buying better stuff than we now.
What is different from the West is that China has actual industrial policy. And boy do we lack any. Yes setting up tarriffs is the first step, but it is pointless when you do not actually plan to build up your own industry under cover of said tarriffs. Nothing of the sort is going to happen in the US. The car manufacturers, like the rest of the big corporations, have turned into fat, lazy, and corrupt rent-seekers, who look at the concept of actual work like a deer in headlights. Their solution to everything will be to lobby, that is, to bribe DC to save their asses, and keep doing more of the nothing that has gotten them in trouble.
Now when we talk tarriffs and the few areas where the Chinese have not yet outcompeted us, we must also mention sanctions, semiconductors, and aerospace. These two were the last fields where the West had an absolute advantage over the Chinese, and what did we do with this advantage? We screamed bloody murder about them being the enemy, we sanctioned them off of our stuff, and the result is that they listened to our words and deeds, put in the money to where it was needed, and are now going so fast in those areas that we are going to be left behind before the orange man is done with his second presidency. A few years ago nobody was even dreaming of a Chinese airliner, now they have it in service. A few years ago nobody was even dreaming about serious Chinese chips, now they got that sweet one in that Huawei phone already half a year ago that left us scratching our heads. Yes the plane is not all Chinese parts. Yes the lito for that chip comes from the Netherlands. Yes they will solve these problems sooner rather than later, too. All we had to do was to safeguard these our industries, all we did was squander them away for geopolitical peanuts. Oh well, it's not like we are better at solving any of our other problems, either.
As to the China destroying the wealth of the people, I gather you have not gotten the memo about the CCP lifting 1B people out of poverty in the years 1980-2015, by which time poverty was pretty much a solved problem in China. Over the more recent years they have become a middle income country, to the point where they are no longer viable as an outsourcing country. Meanwhile look around in, I dunno, Philly... If you think a
Re:China is not our friend. (Score:4, Interesting)
It's not just China either. Look at our response to climate change. Here is a massive opportunity to rebuild our economies to be clean and net zero, to create vast numbers of jobs and turbocharge industry with demand. It's an investment opportunity right in our laps, and we are squandering it.
Infrastructure is another example. China went from zero to more high speed rail than the rest of the world combined in less than a couple of decades. Same with underground rail. Despite all the BS you may have heard, it wasn't built with slave labour, it was built with incredibly efficient supply chains and tunnel boring machines that are just better than ours.
Something is very broken in the West. It seems like even our successes are despite ourselves.
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Funny you should mention climate. I don't want to keep beating the same horse, but you know the one country in the world that is actually responding to climate change and rebuilding their economy to be clean? China. They are going to be hit hard with climate change already by the middle of the century and unlike the US, they can not afford any denialism about it.
They are now investing more into renewables than the rest of the world is investing into fossils even. They are hitting their Paris 2030 targets al
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An Example: When dirty, used syringes were washing up on our shores from our dumping our garbage at se
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The US still has a chance with green tech. It has some deep water where turbines could go, but the technology is relatively new. It's still not entirely clear what the best way of doing it is. There are various ways to anchor them individually, or in groups. Europe and China have a lot of shallow water to put them in, so all the effort is going there first.
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It's really sad that you are getting modded -1 Troll. It's like people feel offended when anyone points out that China is actually doing the work and succeeding, which implies that we are not. Or maybe it's the thought that the US might not be number 1 forever.
China doesn't need to do the trade war bullshit, they just have to keep succeeding while we remain in denial.
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Yeah I guess I hit a spot with that one. Post is going up and down, but still somehowe above the water.
The need to maintain one's worldview is a base human instinct, and people will go to great lengths to accomplish that. Funny thing is, to maintan one's actual world, one sometimes has to let go of their view of the world... I'm long past of any hope of that happening any time soon wrt/ the West, but who has ears, let them hear, and plan their lives accordingly.
Re: China is not our friend. (Score:2)
What a compete load of ignorant tosh. You clearly have no clue about China or the Chinese government.
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I respectfully disagree. Our attempts to isolate China's economy are forcing them to become more creative and resilient while simultaneously giving their government a bad guy to blame. That doesn't lead to any specific negative outcome but sets the stage for many bad scenarios.
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Our attempts to isolate China's economy are forcing them to become more creative and resilient...
I thought the point that China was trying to make was that they have the better ideas, and so if they have better ideas then they should be able to be at least as self sufficient as the USA if not beating us on every metric we can think up. Well, they are not doing better. It appears that China is a bit afraid that if trade is cut off with the USA then they might not have enough food. Well, let's force them to be more "creative and resilient" by limiting trade. Consider it some "tough love".
... while simultaneously giving their government a bad guy to blame.
It's funny
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If China is dependent on the US for agricultural imports, would that not make them less likely to attack the US, economically or physically? i.e. Is strong Interdependency Mutually Assured Destruction with better marketing?
Let's apply this world-wide (Score:1)
Users must always be able to turn off all data collection regardless of origin... FULL STOP!
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If BYD comes to the US market... (Score:2)
It may not be using BYD's own proprietary operating system for its on-board electronics. It may end up using Android Automotive with Google Automotive Services, modified to run on BYD's own hardware. That way, any update to the software can be done from US based servers.
Chinaâ(TM)s response will be devastating (Score:2)
Pretty sure China will respond in kind, banning US software alltogether in all sectorsâ¦