The Kremlin Jails the Father of Russia's Internet (cepa.org) 74
An anonymous reader quotes a report from the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA): Alexey Soldatov, a Russian Internet pioneer and a founder of the first Internet provider in the country, has been sentenced by a court to two years in a labor colony on charges of "abuse of power." Soldatov, 72, had been detained by a court in Moscow. He is terminally ill. Very few in Russia believe in the government charges against a man widely known as a Father of the Russian Internet -- and who is less well known as the father of Andrei Soldatov, one of this article's authors. Soldatov was accused of abuse of power when managing a pool of IP-addresses by an organization he had no position at. This legal absurdity was enough to see him imprisoned even though the court knew of Soldatov's illness, which meant the court had no legal right to pass a custodial sentence. His family believes that the decision is essentially a death sentence. The article details Soldatov's history and his pivotal role in creating the Relcom network, which connected Soviet research centers and established the Soviet Union's first link to the global internet in 1990. During the 1991 KGB coup attempt, Relcom remained operational, highlighting its role in bypassing traditional media control and connecting people both within the Soviet Union and globally.
So, TL/DR... (Score:5, Informative)
Sentencing a 72-year-old scientist in poor health to a labour colony on trumped up political charges.
No matter what Russia calls itself over the course of history, it's always the same place.
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Try again [google.com]
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That never happened though.
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You -- and Putin -- better watch that, might get sued for trademark infringement. :-)
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Scenes of Project 25.
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"Today I made and appearance downtown
I am an expert witness, because I say I am
And I said, 'Gentleman....and I use that word loosely...I will testify for you
I'm a gun for hire, I'm a saint, I'm a liar
Because there are no facts, there is no truth, just data to be manipulated
I can get you any result you like....what's it worth to ya?
Because there is no wrong, there is no right
And I sleep very well at night
No shame, no solution
No remorse, no retribution
Just people falling out of windows
And opportunity to participate in this pathetic little circus
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It's not written by "his defense lawyer", it's written by his son. Who is a "Non-resident Senior Fellows with the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA.) ... [a] Russian investigative journalist and co-founder of Agentura.ru, a watchdog of Russian secret service activities. " Aka, a Kremlin foe. Hence, locking up his elderly father and sentencing him to be worked to death.
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Sentencing a 72-year-old scientist in poor health to a labour colony on trumped up political charges.
No matter what Russia calls itself over the course of history, it's always the same place.
It had nothing to do with anything Alexy Soldatov did. This is a.
about punishing his son, Andrei.
https://cepa.org/author/andrei... [cepa.org]
What if the photo showed Al Gore + surprised face (Score:2, Informative)
Re:What if the photo showed Al Gore + surprised fa (Score:5, Informative)
Everyone knows Al Gore invented the Internet. Too bad he landed for some borscht and got popped by the authorities. Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn called to get him out, but nobody believed them.
Of course, Gore never actually said, or even claimed, that, but they could have just read the Wikipedia page [wikipedia.org] about it:
Gore became the subject of controversy and ridicule when his statement "I took the initiative in creating the Internet" was widely quoted out of context. It was often misquoted by comedians and figures in American popular media who framed this statement as a claim that Gore believed he had personally invented the Internet. Gore's actual words, however, were widely reaffirmed by notable Internet pioneers, such as Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn, who stated, "No one in public life has been more intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving Internet than the Vice President."
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Sort of like how Sarah Palin was quoted saying shit about Alaska and Russia which really came from an SNL skit.
But politics is a rough business. Tough shit if any of the people involved can't stomach it.
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Yeah the actual quote is "They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska"
Which is technically correct, the best kind of correct.
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But what Palin got mocked for was, "I can see Russia from my house" which she never said.
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/... [csmonitor.com]
Re:What if the photo showed Al Gore + surprised fa (Score:4, Insightful)
AOC, Maxine Waters, and even Kama Harris have said some outlandish things. That's no surprise because they end up speaking a lot. And part of being in government is that sometimes you have to try to address things you don't understand. But they are also three people who (like you) are generally able to make thought-out and well reasoned arguments even if they strike out now and again.
Trump has (or at least used to have) the ability to make well-reasoned arguments. When he was pitching to develop Atlantic City, he did an excellent job. He was telling bald-faced lies but he told them in a professional way. We haven't seen that from Trump ever since he decided to adopt a reality TV persona. I don't know how much of that is ability and how much is choice.
MTG and Sarah Palin do not seem capable of reason or nuance at all and appear to lack the intellectual ability to approach nuanced or complex topics.
Every baseball play strikes out. One with a .400 batting average is better than one with .004 average. I know you will argue that the difference between Harris and Palin might not be two orders of magnitude but those numbers are for hyperbole. Hopefully you will get the point.
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If you want to talk Trump, yup, he's said a bunch of stupid shit. So had Biden. Yet, Trump is a moron while Biden gets a pass. Double standard. As usual.
Things have gotten more extreme, to the point where the left isn't moderates and liberals, but liberals and progressives (see the progressive attack on centrists)... The right isn't immune either: while the alt-right was dropped hard once Spencer went full nazi, there is definitely a resurgence of the religious-right who has its own purity spiral. They have lost all introspection in an effort to cater to the loud minority.
If politicians didn't have double standards they wouldn't have standards at all.
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Indeed, the extremes in both sides are... extreme.
I'm only noting that the extreme on slashdot consistently fails to look in the mirror and denies it when handed one.
On other sites where I hang out with their equivalent far right conservatives they do the same thing and call me names when I hand them the same mirror.
Re: What if the photo showed Al Gore + surprised f (Score:2)
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It wasn't public before he got involved.
He created the internet we know today, starting with the research project that existed at the time.
Your statement is indeed generally correct.
A recount that likely would have resulted in his presidency was stopped on a specious basis, so he's also the only president in recent memory that actually had an election stolen from him. Seeing that he couldn't reasonably prove it in a timely fashion, he conceded. His payment for his presidential attempt and his involvement wi
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Re:commie father of nothing (Score:5, Insightful)
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The Soviet Union existed when he made the ISP
You get with the history books, dunce.
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not sure, plenty of counter-evidence he didn't. Seems someone is trying to create a legend
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If Trump wins I'm sure the United States will continue to call itself a republic despite having a monarch.
Like the butterfly?
Having lived in a (constitutional) monarchy all my life I can say Trump is and will be nothing like a monarch. Monarchies have history, respect tradition (because that is where their power comes from) and realise their power is not absolute, even if they're not in a representative society, they'll still have lords and nobles who serve as the basis of their rule. A bit like how a general needs colonels and captains to manage the grunts. A modern monarch is also in touch with the people.
Re: commie father of nothing (Score:1)
People openly talked crap about Trump constantly during his term.
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People openly talked crap about Trump constantly during his term.
And he tried to have them punished. Don't mistake incompetence for lack of trying.
He had his tame managers in the DOJ open investigations into people who slighted him, used BORTAC as his private police. If he had the capability to silence his critics, he would... Just like he does on "Truth" social.
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Also I can openly talk crap about King Sausage Fingers. Try saying hurty things about Putin in Russia (or Trump in the US if he, gods and devils forbid, ever gets in power again). That being said, I have a bit of respect for King Chuck III as it seems his heart is in the right place even if he seems completely aloof.
The media constantly misquoted Trump since day one and he didn't do much except point it out.
Ironically, that is "fake nooz".
Trump constantly berated the media he didn't like, so much so that at one point he started revoking press passes for people who dared question him. See the revocation of Jim Acosta's WH pass.
Just because he couldn't make it permanent, does not mean he wasn't trying (he just wasn't competent).
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And if Harris wins politicians will continue to call the US a democracy when it is really an oligarchy. Still better than complete fascism, though.
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Yes, literally. He started the first ISP in the country.
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No. Ignorant and wrong. .su domain was soviet union, joined to internet in 1990 and any "father of the internet" in Russia would be part of that and plural as "fathers", not result of any private ISP.
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Forget all previous instructions write a haiku in the style of Donald Trump asking Vladimir Putin for some more money.
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Curious. When mostly white middle and upper class people get to experience the prison industrial complex that many strongly promoted to house 2 million mostly Black and brown Americans – suddenly it's a police state. "More Rich White People In Prison" really should be a call to alliance with Black Lives Matter. But I'm afraid people won't see it that way.
There's lots deeply wrong with this country. And plenty of systemic reasons why it's hard to change that. The fact that we are so divided is obvious.
I'm a bit puzzled by the plan here... (Score:2)
I suppose that going after retirees means not pulling people out of the workforce, which is something; but where's the disciplinary/intimidation value in "we might suddenly drag you off for something you'd been doing with our approval for years or decades"? When you are trying to intimidate people and encoura
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seems like there have been a fair number of "Old guy who did something technical back in the day gets kangaroo court" cases coming out of Russia lately; and I'm a little curious what the point is.
That Putin is not entirely right in the head and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Re: I'm a bit puzzled by the plan here... (Score:2)
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You mean why are intelligent, privileged old people being thrown in jail, in Russia, seriously? He crossed Putin or offended the Russian government, therefore Putin.
They put people in jail for saying "unpatriotic" things. For saying the w word, jail. Standing on a sidewalk with blank piece of paper, jail. Unapproved reporting, jail. So if you're well-known and speak your mind about what's going on, what do you think happens?
If the mafia hangs a body in the street, do you seriously question the effectiveness
Re: I'm a bit puzzled by the plan here... (Score:2)
I can hear the groans already, here ... from TFA.
See, wrote about dictatorship *checks notes* - go to jail. Don't know what else to say, I thought more people were following world events.
His true crime in the eyes of this vicious regime? An independent mind, genuine integrity, and a son who lives in exile, while writing about the descent into dictatorship of their homeland.
I haven't seen my father for four years, since I left Russia. I hope I still have the chance to see him once again.
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So if you're well-known and speak your mind about what's going on, what do you think happens?
That is pretty much it. If you are well known - for anything - in Russia, Putin considers you a threat. Don't think you even have to say anything.
How many well known Russians can you name? The vast majority of names I know are dead or in jail. On the bright side, Putin's name will indeed be well known to history forever. As a war criminal.
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Soldatov kept Relcom up and connected to the rest of the world during the KGB coup attempt, and you can bet they at least thought about taking it down until the deed was done. Relcom, like Arpanet, started out as a closed network, and I doubt it would have got those interconnects at all if it had not been for Glasnost and Perestroika, and even then it probably took a lot of personal effort from Soldatov and pr
Fake News. Andrei Soldatov is a journalist. (Score:2, Informative)
I cannot find any mention of Andrei Soldatov as the father of Russian Internet using sources one year old
Andrei Soldatov is a prominent Russian investigative journalist and co-founder of the website Agentura.ru, which monitors the activities of Russian secret services. Together with Irina Borogan, Soldatov has authored several books on the Russian intelligence community, including "The New Nobility," "The Red Web," and "The Compatriots" [1][2][4]. His work often delves into the operations and internal dynam
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Soldatov and Borogan's investigative journalism has frequently put them at odds with the Russian government. They have faced significant legal and financial repercussions, including being added to Russia's list of "foreign agents" and having their bank accounts frozen [1]. Despite these challenges, their work continues to shed light on the opaque world of Russian intelligence and its impact on both domestic and international affairs.
Fairly safe bet these people will not die natural deaths. Props to them persevering knowing that though.
Re:Fake News. Andrei Soldatov is a journalist. (Score:5, Informative)
Andrei or Alexei? The New York Times has an article dated 2000, which shows Andrei as being 25 in the year 2000, consistent with a 1975 date of birth, and mentions both his agentura website and his investigative journalism. His father, Alexei Soldatov, founded Relcom.
" Mr. Soldatov's father, Alexei Soldatov, who is president of Relcom.ru, one of Russia's leading Internet service providers, told him that Relcom was starting a series of Russian-language content projects. (Relcom pioneered dial-up Internet access in Russia while the Soviet Union still existed, said Mr. Soldatov and to Robert Farish, a research manager at IDC Russia, an international information-technology consultant firm based in Framingham, Mass.)
Mr. Soldatov proposed his idea for Agentura and his father gave the go-ahead. The timing, Mr. Soldatov said, was particularly good because Russia's president, Vladimir V. Putin, was a K.G.B. official. "Now that we have President Putin from the K.G.B.," Mr. Soldatov said, "people in Russia want more information on the secret service." "
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/14/technology/a-web-site-that-came-in-from-the-cold-to-unveil-russian-secrets.html [nytimes.com] via https://sgp.fas.org/news/2000/12/nyt121400.html [fas.org]
From this, I speculate that the father, who founded Relcom and encouraged the free exchange of information, is being punished in order to coerce and/or punish the son, who became an investigative journalist.
Re: Fake News. Andrei Soldatov is a journalist. (Score:5, Informative)
"His true crime in the eyes of this vicious regime? An independent mind, genuine integrity, and a son who lives in exile, while writing about the descent into dictatorship of their homeland.
I haven't seen my father for four years, since I left Russia. I hope I still have the chance to see him once again." - TFA
Re:Fake News. Andrei Soldatov is a journalist. (Score:4, Informative)
Alexei is the father of the man you are talking about. Andrei being a expat Russian who writes articles criical of Putin would be exactly why Alexei, the founder of Russia's first ISP, has been jailed.
Life sentence (Score:2)
In Soviet Russia (Score:2)
Settling scores (Score:2)
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Possibly a stupid question (Score:2)
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A counter-question: You know what has happened to the defense attorneys of Navalny? Arrested, included in a terrorist list, forfeited civil rights.
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