Windows 11 Hits 30% Market Share For the First Time (neowin.net) 105
With Windows 10's end-of-life update coming next October, it appears that users are finally making the jump to its successor. As spotted by Neowin, Windows 11 crossed the 30% market share mark for the first time since its release. From the report: According to Statcounter's latest findings, last month, Windows 11 reached a new all-time high of 30.83%, gaining 1.08 points in just one month or 7.17 points year-over-year (it was at 23.66% in July 2023). Just as Windows 11 climbs, Windows 10 loses its market share. It is now below 65%, or 64.99%, to be precise, or -1.06 points in one month. Year-over-year change is 11.15 points (it was at 71.14% in July 2023).
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Other Windows versions, which are now long unsupported, still have a fair share of customers who refuse to jump-ship. Windows 7, for one, is the third most popular Windows with a 3.04% market share (+0.08 points). Windows 8.1 is fourth with 0.42% (+0.02 points), and Windows XP is fifth with 0.38% (-0.01 points).
Other Windows versions, which are now long unsupported, still have a fair share of customers who refuse to jump-ship. Windows 7, for one, is the third most popular Windows with a 3.04% market share (+0.08 points). Windows 8.1 is fourth with 0.42% (+0.02 points), and Windows XP is fifth with 0.38% (-0.01 points).
Must be the banking system still in that 0.38% (Score:2)
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From the "old equipment" deparment (Score:2)
or even W98! I've worked in a few of them, sadly.
Bonus point if that Win8 app uses DOS drivers (i.e. a .sys tsr loaded in confid.sys), that talk to a custom ISA interfac card.
Which itself is quite picky wrt it requirements and only work with true ISA bus and true DMA, so it's stuck to up to BX 440 chipsets and Pentium III (not the later ISA bridge found on Pentium IV motherboard. As we sadly discovered once when the original computer was fried after a lightnight stroke not far from the institute).
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Re: Must be the banking system still in that 0.38% (Score:2)
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Can't Update (Score:4, Informative)
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They're blocking this as of the next update (or at least they are in the beta versions)
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If you're not going to be getting updates to Win11, and Win10 is EOL - what is the actual security difference?
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Simple: Win10 is a lot more mature. Hence Win10 is a far better choice.
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If you're smart enough to do this, you're smart enough to use an better OS instead of just being forced to use a worse one.
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I'm not defending this decision, but the business reason why they took it is so they can ditch the cost of supporting older hardware. If they make a feature optional then they have to support two configurations.
There is a good case for keeping Windows 10 alive with security patches while the natural turnover of machines brings Windows 11 up to >90% share. Not a business case, but an environmental and a moral one. Unless someone like the EU steps in they won't do it though.
2025 is going to be an environme
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There is a good case for keeping Windows 10 alive with security patches while the natural turnover of machines brings Windows 11 up to >90% share
Natural turnover of machines has slowed way down.
I have a few vintage machines now. My main day to day machine, the one I use for trolling^Wposting on slashdor every morning over a cup of coffee is a 14(!) year old Thinkpad W510. It's had a few upgrades, the old spinning disk went away and got replaced by a terabyte of flash, and I upgraded the RAM from the orig
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Funnily enough my main laptop that I still travel with is also 14 years old, being 2012 vintage. Annoyingly the mobile Intel CPUs of that era were limited to 4GB of RAM, but it still copes okay with Windows 10 and the browsing and basic image editing stuff I do with it.
Might replace it when Windows 10 dies and the market is flooded with non-11 compatible machines. I actually had that one from new, but I don't mind used.
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with is also 14 years old, being 2012 vintage.
Shhuurley you mean 12 years old? It's only 2024!
Annoyingly the mobile Intel CPUs of that era were limited to 4GB of RAM, but it still copes okay with Windows 10 and the browsing and basic image editing stuff I do with it.
Mine's not ultramobile, it's a Core i7 Q820, from 2010 so one of the high performance mobile processors. It originally came with 16G of RAM, and cost a lot of money. I got it for free at the end of a project because of some hilarious accounting
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I could switch to Linux, and maybe I will if it ultimately won't run Windows 11.
I've just grown to hate Linux a lot. Windows may be crap, but it's tolerable. I know how to beat it into submission. I know how to fix all the problems. With Linux I end up googling and wasting time on solutions that don't work with this version of this distro on this hardware. Maybe if I used it more I'd keep up to date with it and get better at problem solving, but as I only use it lightly when travelling that doesn't seem lik
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I've just grown to hate Linux a lot. Windows may be crap, but it's tolerable. I know how to beat it into submission. I know how to fix all the problems. With Linux I end up googling and wasting time on solutions that don't work with this version of this distro on this hardware. Maybe if I used it more I'd keep up to date with it and get better at problem solving, but as I only use it lightly when travelling that doesn't seem likely.
I'm genuinely curious here. I mean I know how to beat Linux into submission,
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I have known some laptops to be highly irritating with Linux even today. The only laptop I actually use has a dual-core Zen+, 8GB RAM, and 512GB nVME SSD. The only things I commonly use it for are Firefox (mostly just playing videos and occasionally looking something up on Wikipedia) and CHIRP. But it has a flaky WLAN NIC and I have been too lazy to replace it because it is kind of a PITA to open. Every so often I have to reboot, I tried a bunch of stuff to reset it and none of it helped. Thankfully suspen
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There's always something... Usually sleep/hibernation doesn't work, particularly with SED enabled. For some reason mouse support seems to be quite lacking too, e.g. adjusting the scroll wheel sensitivity, and particularly making the touchpad not hellish to use.
High DPI support usually breaks too, but I can probably live without that.
I always find the Japanese IME to be horrible too, but maybe it's got better lately. Or maybe I'm just used to the Windows and Google ones.
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Windows 8 never came close to eclipsing the install base of Windows 7, in much the same way that people stuck with XP instead of going to Vist
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Looks like a total disaster (Score:5, Insightful)
I do not think these numbers can be interpreted any other way.
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34 Months After Rollout (Score:2)
October 5, 2021
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I find the slow adoption strange, actually. W11 is prettier, more stable and faster than W10. It has a lot of baggage, but that's the deal Microsoft is offering.
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You care enough to write a response.
This is all Slashdot wants or expects from you, so good job.
If you want to see fewer comments like his, don't reply to them.
I'm just here for the lulz at this point, I can't stop watching this train wreck. Hence why I'm a valuable cog in this machine.
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Well, while there is the occasional smart or insightful comment here, I am mostly here to study human stupidity. Of which there is plenty here. What has clearly risen is the dishonesty, where people people just outright lie to "win" an argument or protect a fetish (like Microsoft) of theirs.
Re: Looks like a total disaster (Score:3)
over the absolute best apple silicon useless fucking paperweight that is out now
Aren't they a bit light to be used as paperweights?
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Of course maybe you just don't like Apple fanboys, because the older ones, who know what XP, is remember the Apple/Microsoft turf wars, which
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There really is only one OS that is any good for the modern world, and that is the Unix-like OS.
Indeed. Good design endures and slowly gets even better, crappy design (like Windows) causes permanent problems until it finally lands on the trash-heap of history.
Re:Looks like a total disaster (Score:5, Insightful)
The only way MS can get those numbers is through forced upgrades so yeah, not great.
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I do not think these numbers can be interpreted any other way.
Two things are always expected:
a) corporate users will typically hang on until their existing systems are EOL or an IT refresh is rolled out.
b) when you release an OS incompatible with most PCs out there since people don't buy a new computer every other year anymore, it won't get market share.
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b) when you release an OS incompatible with most PCs out there since people don't buy a new computer every other year anymore, it won't get market share.
That one should get you a richly deserved corporate bankruptcy. If customers were rational.
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That one should get you a richly deserved corporate bankruptcy. If customers were rational.
Customers are used to buying a new PC when they have a problem with the old one, and don't know enough to know what the cause is so they don't know who to blame. I have bought several such Windows machines, put Linux on them, and used them for some time — sometimes with no other changes.
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Well, yes. But that is a really sad state of affairs.
11 Bad!! (Score:2)
Re:11 Bad!! (Score:5, Informative)
I'll start. Because of the terrible UI changes, the nonsense AI updates they try to force on everyone, shoving Edge down your throat, the data they're trying to harvest from everyone, the Efficiency Mode crap you can't disable, and so on.
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On the UI changes:
My work machine got "refreshed" and came with W11. A few things that already annoy me:
1. Taskbar forced to be on bottom, taking up valuable vertical screen space.
2. No flexibility in tiling my start menu items, so I can't optimize placement of programs for most efficient access.
3. Loss of right click recent items shortcut on start menu items.
4. Need to click the "more>" button on the furthest corner of the menu to show programs not already pinned.
5. I have to always pass over the "reco
Forced Update (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeah, because Windows 10 is installing the update without permission!
Re:Forced Update (Score:5, Interesting)
I went to my BIOS and disabled whatever crypto chip on my MOBO, that made my PC not support Win11. Nagging stopped. I won!
Re: Forced Update (Score:2)
Did the same thing years ago.
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Same here. It is really sad how MS needs to be seen as a malicious actor and defended against.
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Yeah, because Windows 10 is installing the update without permission!
People literally don't care about this. Slashdotters care, but users really don't. An update box comes, they mash the next button, and move on with their lives.
There's no silent majority here that are actively holding on to Windows 10 for dear life. There are corporate IT (who don't experience forced updates), and there's people whose PCs don't meet the requirements (who don't experience forced updates).
For everyone else, they migrated voluntarily long ago without any fuss.
Amazing how well forced updates do on the market (Score:5, Insightful)
I question whether Windows 11 would have penetrated the market so well on merits alone though.
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What merits? People don't care, they don't use their OS. An OS runs in the background, and once you point out to people you can left justify the start menu they can barely tell Windows 11 apart from Windows 10.
Slashdotters: "The technical details of ${Windows_version} are so much worse than ${windows_version-1}, I can't force my OS to X and Y anymore."
Actual users: "Oh there's a popup saying an update came. *clicks okay - keeps using the software on the computer*"
In the real world people use software, not O
Re:Ahhh fake news (Score:5, Informative)
The study is explicitly labelled "Desktop Windows Market Share Worldwide"
It's 30% of windows machines, not 30% of computers or even 30% of end user machines.
Re: Ahhh fake news (Score:2)
One way to look at it (Score:2)
I'm in the 3.04% percentile category looking down on the rest of you.
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Now take that mirror from the floor and put it back on the wall you doofus.
Maybe 2024 will finally be (Score:4, Funny)
the year of the Windows 11 desktop???
Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)
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2025 will be, anyway, when they make Windows 10 EOL and they try to force everyone to upgrade.
I guess that I'll end up putting Ubuntu on the PC's that aren't new enough to be on the supported list. I guess that makes us one step closer to 2025 being the year of the Linux desktop?
Win-doze? What's that? (Score:2, Offtopic)
I just realized that as of this year, I've been using Linux as my daily driver for twenty solid years.
Got a Win10 vm I fire up once a year to do taxes, but that's it.
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The fact that you can't even do your taxes, something that everyone in your nation has to do on your machine natively and that has no particular hardware or software requirements is quite a statement about success of your OS.
Re: Win-doze? What's that? (Score:1)
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Lots of things can be done using various standardized protocols. Usually you end up having the kinds of standards that are in large demand.
It's a question of supply and demand. If there's no demand, there's probably not going to be much supply either.
Re: Win-doze? What's that? (Score:1)
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Me
>It's a question of supply and demand
Reply:
>I just have trouble to believe any government would mandate
Reading comprehension is truly a lost art.
Re: Win-doze? What's that? (Score:1)
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You appear to be arguing with the wrong person then. I was specifically addressing this post:
https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org]
>Got a Win10 vm I fire up once a year to do taxes, but that's it.
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Funnily, tax software where I live (Europe) has been running on Linux since it got offered officially and fir free about 10 years ago. And today it runs in basically any web-browser and keeps backups of everything you commit on the server.
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In much of European nations, doing your taxes is much easier than in US, because tax code is far less complex.
LTSC (Score:2)
Loving LTSC for gaming. Hopefully proton is awesome after that's EoSL
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How do home users get LTSC legally?
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Download the trial.
Use the tools that come with it to change it from the trial SKU to the full version.
Bam you got LTSC.
After that you'll need to do whatever you might do to legally activate windows.
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Can Home/Pro retail keys be used to activate LTSC?
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I doubt it. Mine reports that it's activated through my organization.
Not sure what organization that might be but god bless them.
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Actually I would say the best version of Windows was any version before Windows 95. The reason is you were not forced to use it, you could boot directly to DOS and avoid it all together.
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You could boot Windows 95 and 98 directly to DOS, too. They used DOS as a boot loader, or in 16 bit mode, actually ran on top of it and made BIOS calls so that DOS drivers could operate.
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This is why (Score:1)
the TPM will remain disabled in BIOS
Active adoption or passive acquiesence? (Score:2)
Does this represent Windows 11 adoption - in the sense that people or businesses are making a deliberate choice for this OS (for whatever reasons, good or bad)?
Or, is this just passive accumulation as people upgrade hardware, i.e. get new computers? With most Windows releases, I have had the impression that it is just an attrition or reverse-attrition, people getting the new OS with new rigs.
If that is the case, is it individual users buying new PC's or laptops, or is it businesses upgrading by tens or hun
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Older machines can't get stock win11 upgrade at all, because of hardware requirements. So it's mostly just new computers that come with new, even shittier OS.
Though I'm sure some people downgraded to win 11 because they didn't know any better, they just saw bigger number and made assumptions.
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Re: Active adoption or passive acquiesence? (Score:1)
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You can still use Linux or one of the x-BSDs, and get a real computing experience.
I'm old enough to remember (Score:2)
When people looked forward to new versions of windows. Now all we can look forward to is pointless churn with generous helpings of malware.
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I really only looked forward to new versions of Windows after the prior version was terrible. The Windows 7 update from Windows Vista and the Windows 10 update from Windows 8/8.1 come to mind.
Windows 11 seems to be one of the "bad" versions, so there is no eagerness to upgrade here. That said, Microsoft backported most of the Onedrive/Edge/Microsoft 365/XBox Game Pass spam to Windows 10 as well... so I'm not exactly eager for Windows 10 patches, either.
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Ah yes, Onedrive which is only good disabled and Edge which serves the one purpose of downloading a reasonable browser.
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Biggest gripe: "group by" (Score:2)
By far my biggest gripe with Windows 11 has been the "group by" active by default in Explorer, including in all the file dialog boxes.
If you turn it off, it will find a way to re-enable itself, and that's just horrible design.
Sure, there's this "WinSetView" utility, but seriously, MS should provide a global off switch by themselves or at least have the "feature" off by default.
Thankfully, at the office we're still on Win10 without "group by", and my normal home environment is Linux - but I do need to use Wi
Please stop with StatCounter (Score:2)
That site is absolutely useless to draw any accurate conclusion. If their market share numbers were accurate it would mean there is literally variation in the millions back and forth between nonsensical OSes for no good reason.
Take a look at the graph in TFA, why is no one talking about the literal millions of Windows 8.1 machines that inexplicably were started up in Nov-Jan. That would be news if a previously dead and nonexistent OS suddenly took a market share that dwarfed Linux, only to inexplicably disa
What will it take to switch to Linux?! (Score:1)
Only 30% more to go! (Score:2)
Extra credit: Fire someone for recommending Microsoft. Set a new example.
I can't upgrade because MS won't let me. (Score:2)
I have a PC I built around 2019 or so... it still does everything I need it to do. After upgrading to an NVIDIA 4070, it runs even the newest games at ultra settings. However, because of a a nuance of hardware requirements, I've never been eligible to upgrade to Windows 11. MS dug their own hole on this one.
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Push game developers to support Linux (Score:2)
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Get some major free level games like Fortnite or Genshen Impact to fully support Linux and the Microshaft tower will fall.
I don't know about Fortnite, Genshin Impact started working a year or so ago, but I don't know if it's still working or what.
Most games without Kernel DRM will work fine on Linux these days, way more than will work on Windows actually if you count old Windows games, as most of those which won't work on Linux won't work on Windows 10, let alone 11. That does mean no Fortnite. However, I suspect they will revisit that idea once Windows 10 goes out of support. I have never, ever seen so much mainstream interes
Re: Push game developers to support Linux (Score:2)
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By "support Linux" I don't mean in the Wine or any other windows emulator.
Why?
You open whatever app installer of your choice and you either click install game or type ./setup.sh in the download folder.
I open Lutris and I click install game. Supports GOG, EPIC, EA, and Ubisoft (as well as Steam, if you want to launch everything from one place.)
Re: Push game developers to support Linux (Score:2)
Re: Push game developers to support Linux (Score:2)
Do you remember the Loki games for Linux? Without exception it is now easier to run all of those games' Windows versions in wine.
Windows 11 Brought Only Disimprovments (Score:2)
Life Expectancy of a Craptop (Score:1)