Hyundai Hits Double-Digit EV Market Share In the US (electrek.co) 45
Hyundai Motor Group, which includes Kia and Genesis, accounted for 10% of the U.S. EV market through the first seven months of 2024, outpacing Ford (7.4%) and GM (6.3%). Electrek reports: Although IONIQ 5 and 6 sales slipped last month, they are still up 25% and 54% year-to-date, respectively. Meanwhile, sister company Kia continued its record-setting performance in July after EV sales nearly doubled YTD. Kia's new EV9, its first three-row electric SUV, is a major part of its growth. According to Kelley Blue Book, Kia EV9 sales outpaced the Toyota bZ4X, VW ID.4, Nissan Ariya, Rivian R1T, and Tesla Model S in the US through the first half of 2024. It even topped Kia's Niro EV sales.
Hyundai's luxury brand, Genesis, remains a dark horse in the US EV market. Genesis is quickly expanding in the US. After adding 21 dedicated retailers in the US this year, including in eight new states, Genesis recently announced it now has 56 standalone facilities. "In two short years, Genesis' retail footprint has grown rapidly from one dedicated retail facility in Louisiana to 56 retail facilities nationwide," Genesis North America COO Claudia Marquez said.
Hyundai's luxury brand, Genesis, remains a dark horse in the US EV market. Genesis is quickly expanding in the US. After adding 21 dedicated retailers in the US this year, including in eight new states, Genesis recently announced it now has 56 standalone facilities. "In two short years, Genesis' retail footprint has grown rapidly from one dedicated retail facility in Louisiana to 56 retail facilities nationwide," Genesis North America COO Claudia Marquez said.
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In the former case, might I suggest learning how to talk to women? In the latter, my condolences on the loss of Kursk, losersky.
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someone intentionally wrote this to be an unhinged, painfully unfunny dig to make "the other side" look bad.
That seems a bit superfluous seeing as how they're doing a fantastic job of making themselves look bad. The latest folly being that the former president just declared that he'd been endorsed by Taylor Swift, courtesy of some AI-generated imagery.
I'd find the entire situation hilarious were it not for the fact that a not-insignificant portion of the electorate are still going to vote for the guy because they truly believe that the Democrats are even worse.
To bring this slightly back on-topic, here's an exam
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They are.
And the ONLY thing worse than Biden, is Kamala....I mean hell, she's already pushing a platform of price controls.
Those never seem to do well historically....
She was supposed to be Biden's insurance policy...so bad that NO ONE would want to have him removed.....not actually be a fsckin
Re:"The Beating of a Liberal" (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, we'd be better off with the guy who made up a story about election fraud that he never had any form of evidence for who then intimidated election officials and arranged for fake electors to over turn our elections to "correct" for this. Third world politics in America! Who cares about our most sacred institution!?
Or is it that we'd be better off with the guy whose political rhetoric is so extreme and negative that he had the whole nation on edge while white supremacists stormed small cities and minorities rioted in the streets. Boy I can't wait for that level of instability to come back!
Or how about the guy who shoveled money at the wealthy with tax breaks thus doing a hell of a lot to exacerbate a very pronounced debt problem we're very much still in the midst of. So long any form of fiscal conservatism for the country!
Wait. Holy shit! That's all the same guy!?
I'll vote for Harris this election, thank you.
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Price controls work great in Europe. We have better healthcare due to price controls, for example.
Parts of Europe make rent controls work well too.
I don't know what history you are referring to, but I find that usually good ideas don't work in the US because someone sabotaged them. Like public transport, for example.
Re: "The Beating of a Liberal" (Score:2)
That seems like a lot of thought to put into "owning the conservatives". It doesn't really work that well because while the conservativea think about the lubs all the time, the converse isn't true.
Re:"The Stupidity of a MAGAt" (Score:2)
The Marines I know would knock you (even more) senseless for saying such idiotic drivel.
The other day I went to a grocery store (Score:5, Interesting)
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That had a EV charging station and there wasn't a single Tesla there. Oddly enough it was mostly Fords with a couple of kias
There's never any Teslas at the L2 chargers by my local grocery store either. My guess would be that most people who own a Tesla and are in need of a charge prefer to hit a significantly faster Supercharger instead. Either that or the whole needing a J1772 to NACS adapter issue isn't worth dealing with.
One time I did get to park between two other Bolts. [imgur.com] It's the little things.
Ironically, I don't actually need to use the charger (I have charging at home) but it's free and I figure it's like I'm getting a
A red 2016 Fusion EV Hybrid? (Score:2)
Sounds like CCS chargers (Score:2)
Tesla owners have to buy an optional CCS adapter [tesla.com] to charge at the high speed L3 chargers that do not use Tesla's NACS plug, like the Electrify America chargers I've seen at some grocery stores.
I suspect not many Tesla owners have bought one because it costs $250, and with the widespread deployment of Tesla's Superchargers there aren't many places that you would need to use one. My folks did buy one for their Model Y as they like to go to Branson, Missouri which has a few CCS chargers but no Tesla Supercharg
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That is a common occurrence around here.
There are a lot of smaller (retail business) parking lots with small L2 chargers installed for 2 or 4 vehicles max. They are rarely occupied by Teslas.
There are a lot of Teslas around here... they just don't seem to bother charging at the smaller off-brand charging stations. Maybe they don't need to charge up often, maybe when they do they would prefer to use the the big banks of Tesla branded chargers in the main parking garages.
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And I happened to see one last week.
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It's impressive Fisker had any sales considering they're bankrupt. Again.
Takes a special kind of person to buy a car from a company you won't be able to get parts or support for in a year.
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Honestly I'd be very very tempted to buy a Fisker at that $14K price. Installing a home battery of a third that size is usually double that price...and you likely have to install a friggin sprinkler system (building codes aren't modern yet).
But a 90Kwh car battery? pshaw, no sprinkler for that!
V2H interface and just leave it in the garage.
I'd imagine home usage would be significantly less stressful battery than mobile car usage.
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Home batteries are usually a complete different technology.
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Yes, but building codes aren't updated to acknowledge the better safety of different types used for home batteries. Lithium Ion batteries definitely need the sprinkler systems, yet a LI battery of triple the size in a car does not.
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> V2H interface and just leave it in the garage.
Fisker vehicles do not support V2H - it's a promised feature that was never implemented and probably never will be.
Because of that, you can't use Fisker's EV batteries for home storage without significant investment in time and money. You are stuck either trying to roll your own hack to trick the car's systems into doing what you want, or make a whole new battery pack with custom BMS. You'll also need an inverter and grid interaction (transfer switch) hardw
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Let's see .. Fisker's grandma on both sides .. oh grandpa's too .. that' 4 sales .. then you have Fisker and his wife .. that's 6 total .. then he's got the in-laws .. that's another two .. 8 .. then his two kids .. 10.
Hyundai is South Korean (Score:2)
So, why are we okay with the competition they're bringing to America's EV market, but slapping a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs? It strikes me as such an odd situation that I even had to use that AI song generator to make a song about it. [youtube.com]
Though, it's probably worth mentioning I don't personally want a BYD. I'm quite happy with the used Bolt EV that I picked up awhile back.
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Re:Hyundai is South Korean (Score:4, Interesting)
That's a good question. Both Korea and China subsidize technology R&D and consumer purchases of domestic-made cars -- as does the US. However Chinese subsidies are greater and more comprehensive, including direct cash grants. Chinese subsidies don't just apply to fostering an EV industry, but aim for complete domestic dominance of the entire supply chain.
There's also the fact to consider the South Korea is a US ally and China is increasingly acting against US international policy with aggressive stances toward US allies like South Korea, Japan, the Philippines and of course Taiwan. China is also a military ally of Russia although it has been circumspect in supporting Russia's war in Ukraine. After viewing Russia's performance they're they appear to be experiencing buyer's remorse.
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In the process they also cut a heck of a lot of corners when it comes to safety, reliability and longevity (some chassis were not even galvanized), but the cars are super shiny.
To have a working free market, you need all players to play by the same rules and that clearly is not happening with the Chinese.
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They can not play with the same rules if you put a 100% tariff on their products.
Assuming they do not fulfill your safety standards while they obviously can be legally sold and bought in your country, is absurd.
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Cheaper cars are cheaper - same as for the Western manufacturers. It simply depends at what standards you buy at. It's not labour costs either - I was listening to a po
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You are really asking that? Because China is the enemy in an ongoing economic war while Korea is an ally.
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Because China is the enemy in an ongoing economic war while Korea is an ally.
An "enemy" that we still allow to produce a significant portion of our consumer goods, and even food and medicines. Seriously, next time you're inside a Walmart take a look at the country of origin labels on the boxes. Drawing the line at EVs is an odd flex.
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We need to be weaning ourselves off those dependencies TOO.
It should be clear the national security risks involved with keeping any close fiscal ties to China after covid and seeing how they fscked up supply chains to the US.
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So, why are we okay with the competition they're bringing to America's EV market, but slapping a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs?
Government subsidies. The Indonesian government isn't subsidising the Ioniq 5's production. Incidentally the 2025 model will be an American EV manufactured in Georgia.
Though, it's probably worth mentioning I don't personally want a BYD. I'm quite happy with the used Bolt EV that I picked up awhile back.
You've driven them? I personally haven't driven a BYD though I've been a passenger in one. Holy shit does a BYD Atto outclass the Bolt in every way shape and form. It's no contest. Nor should anyone expect it to be, the only BYD car on the market in the USA is in a completely different market category than the cheap crappy Bolt.
So what are you
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Why are you OK with the Amazon delivery person knocking at your door to give you something, but not the Jehovah's Witnesses?
Because outside of 'they're both knocking at your door,' there's no comparison to make. It's not the same situation.
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Because the Korean manufacturers have factories in the US. Hyundai and Kia sales mean US jobs. BYD sales not so much.
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Bentley lawsuit (Score:2)
When is Bentley going to sue Hyundai Genesis for ripping off their logo? First time I saw it I was like, what .. that's a Bentley?
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When is Bentley going to sue Hyundai Genesis for ripping off their logo? First time I saw it I was like, what .. that's a Bentley?
Lots of companies used the wing motif in their logos. Aston Martin and Rolls Royce, for example; it's an Art Deco thing. Unless Hyundai start putting B-shaped hood ornaments on their products they've nothing to worry about, because no-one would ever confuse a Hyundai with a Bentley.