Telegram CEO Arested In France (yahoo.com) 163
Telegram's billionaire founder/CEO Pavel Durov was arrested Saturday night outside Paris, reports Reuters, citing French TV news stations TF1 TV and BFM TV which attributed the news to unnamed sources:
Durov was travelling aboard his private jet, TF1 said on its website, adding he had been targeted by an arrest warrant in France as part of a preliminary police investigation. TF1 and BFM both said the investigation was focused on a lack of moderators on Telegram, and that police considered that this situation allowed criminal activity to go on undeterred on the messaging app.
Thanks to long-time Slashdot reader sinij for sharing the news.
Thanks to long-time Slashdot reader sinij for sharing the news.
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> Of course the Russian troll farms are going to show up to try disrupt this story
A man was arrested for making a free speech app and you've got to "Russia, Russia, Russia" it.
Wow.
I'm sorry your news did this to you.
(it's a UAE company with servers in Netherlands but don't let that stop you from PDS when censorship can be celebrated)
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If you create a platform that is unmoderated and is used as a major way to distribute porn involving people too young to do porn,or show people how to build chemical weapons, or other extreme things like that most people will generally be in favor for shutting you down.
Then there are platforms which will ban you for using the word "cisgender"
What is acceptable is probably somewhere between these two extremes of moderation .I don't know where telegram was but I'm sure Luke Skywalker would have fixed it if he
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>If you create a platform that is unmoderated and is used as a major way to distribute porn involving people too young to do porn,or show people how to build chemical weapons, or other extreme things like that most people will generally be in favor for shutting you down.
You mean like the internet? Pretty sure normal people don't want to shut the internet down, so that's obviously a lie.
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Legacy media and governments absolutely want to shut the internet down, to a large extent. Any channel that can reach millions of people must be in their control or they freak out.
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The company is managed and majority owned by a French citizen by the name of Pavel Durov. I'm guessing that might have played a part in the issuance of the warrant and arrest. But what do I know.
Re: Cue Kremlin Trolls (Score:5, Informative)
It also needs to be mentioned somewhere that the headline is inaccurate. He was not arrested but detained for questioning. Whether he will be arrested or released without charges, is something we will know within 24 hours.
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As the news change, it seems he was finally arrested, and the charges relate to Telegram's inaction against child porn channels.
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It also needs to be mentioned somewhere that the headline is inaccurate. He was not arrested but detained for questioning. Whether he will be arrested or released without charges, is something we will know within 24 hours.
It may be insightful to tell what it means to be a person detained for questioning in France. Up to 96 hours in a dirty cell, sleeping on a bench, awaken to be questioned at random time. They will provide the meals, but you will not get a shower.
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I tried Telegram once to see what the fuss was about. Uninstalled not long after, did not seem trustworthy at all.
It's disorganized and weird. Plus, it doesn't actually work to protect privacy like they claim and many communications using Telegram aren't encrypted at all. I think most folks I know use it to find drugs or hookers. It's a bit of a cesspit. However, that doesn't mean I think those folks should all be jailed. I'd rather make drugs and hookers legal then stop worrying about the free speech "problem".
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Itâ(TM)s not banned in Russia though, is it? They tried to ban it and then appeared to give up. This is enough to be suspicious of it. Competitors like Signal are banned.
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I guess that's true in general, but after years of refusing demands from various governments to censor information recently he refused Israel's demands to censor some recent leaks of classified data then finally the hammer came down on him.
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But Russians are bad.
They hate our freedoms.
Brawndo, OTOH, has what plants crave.
It has electrolytes.
Russians have no electrolytes.
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You probably don't even need to do that. France already tried to force google to observe its domestic censorship laws globally, because in theory a French citizen traveling abroad might see it, and they'll have none of that.
Perhaps it's best if France simply requires that its own citizens install monitoring software, and simply penalize them for accessing the naughty list like a good big brother would, that way they don't have to go around playing gestapo to everybody else doing things that are legal outsid
Re: Cue Kremlin Trolls (Score:5, Informative)
Perhaps it's best if France simply requires that its own citizens install monitoring software, and simply penalize them for accessing
No this won't and can't happen. Citizen are free to access information (including terrorist). All restrictions always apply to businesses, who are not people and don't enjoy human rights. If Telegram makes its product accessible to French citizen, it need to follow laws applying to social media platform, which the others are following, that require them to hire moderators to and promptly hide or delete contents that is in contravention to law. Which can't do, for obvious reasons if Telegram claims to employ only 30 engineers while serving 900 million users.
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>Which can't do, for obvious reasons if Telegram claims to employ only 30 engineers while serving 900 million users.
Which any platform that uses end to end encryption cant do, for obvious reasons.
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The overwhelming majority of Telegram chats are not encrypted because Telegram does not provide end-to-end encryption on chats by default. E2EE on Telegram is only available on secret chats. Secret chats are not the default, do not work with the web version of Telegram, and cannot be used in any group chat on Telegram.
Thus, the overwhelming majority of messages/chats on Telegram are not E2EE and are thus viewable by T
Re: Cue Kremlin Trolls (Score:4, Insightful)
No this won't and can't happen. Citizen are free to access information (including terrorist).
It's either that or France's legal jurisdiction is the entire fucking planet.
All restrictions always apply to businesses
It seems Telegram doesn't even do business there.
who are not people and don't enjoy human rights.
It turns out that under French law, neither do their employees.
Which can't do, for obvious reasons if Telegram claims to employ only 30 engineers while serving 900 million users.
In other words, if you allow people to communicate on the internet, you're not only required to be able to have access to all of their messaging and retain logs of all of it, but under their reasoning you have to observe every speech law everywhere on the planet. Which means that if everybody was like France, there'd be no internet. Perhaps it's best for them if they're just removed from it so they don't have to be exposed to it? They were pretty happy with minitel until the internet came along and ruined it for them by exposing them to uncomfortable ideas.
Hmm...Makes me wonder...Is PGP illegal in France? Because fundamentally, there isn't anything you can do with Telegram that you can't do with ordinary PGP + Email. If that became popular, would France start arresting people who work for email companies since there's no way in hell they could ever moderate it?
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It seems Telegram doesn't even do business there.
The app is available on the app stores. The service open to the public of that country without geo-blocking. Telegram was duly informed that some laws applied and had opportunity to take measures so it is not publicly accessible.
Of course people would then use a VPN to have access to the application and to the servers, and that would be fully ok for both Telegram (who already took reasonable measures to prevent the public from accessing) and for the public (who are free to access information from abroad). As said previously, it's not the app that is banned for the citizen, it's only businesses that have restrictions when they make available their services in certain countries.
In other words, if you allow people to communicate on the internet, you're not only required to be able to have access to all of their messaging and retain logs of all of it,
Only if your communication method allows random users to join public chats.
Is PGP illegal in France? Because fundamentally, there isn't anything you can do with Telegram that you can't do with ordinary PGP + Email. If that became popular, would France start arresting people who work for email companies since there's no way in hell they could ever moderate it?
If you personally use email+PGP to communicate with your friends, 1-to-1 or in a group, it's a considered private communication. You as a citizen can always communicate and protect your communications.
However:
* Telegram offers publicly listed channels that and can be searched through keywords directly in the app. This is not a private communication method between friends, it is a broadcasting method to the public.
* If you ran a that provided such services, built atop email+PGP, (publicly listed on the web and/or searchable through keywords in the app), built atop email (with or without PGP), then yes those laws would apply to your business.
But note that Telegram does encrypt the group chat data and they have access to the full contents. See below:
https://it.slashdot.org/story/... [slashdot.org]
The quality of Telegram's encryption (Score:5, Informative)
by Artem S. Tashkinov ( 764309 ) Alter Relationship on 2024-06-25 16:27 (#64576647) Homepage
1. P2P encrypted chats that hardly anyone uses or even knows about and which are only between two people? Pretty secure, have yet to be cracked.
2. Normal chats, bots and groups? All your data is stored in plain text on Telegram's servers. That's basically public data.
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The app is available on the app stores. The service open to the public of that country without geo-blocking. Telegram was duly informed that some laws applied and had opportunity to take measures so it is not publicly accessible.
Why is it their responsibility to geoblock? Geoblocking doesn't work terribly well, it never has. If France decides that certain content is illegal in their country, they need to block it from their own great firewall. They already have one, after all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Or they can just do what Germany and Austria do by monitoring all user traffic and prosecute their own citizens for accessing content banned in their country.
And yeah, that's a real thing. While I don't really care for the cont
Re: Cue Kremlin Trolls (Score:2, Insightful)
... or France's legal jurisdiction is the entire fucking planet.
Just who the hell do they think they are? The USA?
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I don't think the current problem is the encrypted private messages which are a very small part of their traffic.
France seems to be upset by the chat groups which are not encrypted and theoretically could be moderated by Telegram.
Of course, France would love to ban all encryption but I think they gave up on that a while ago.
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No this won't and can't happen. Citizen are free to access information (including terrorist).
It's either that or France's legal jurisdiction is the entire fucking planet.
You're free to violate French law, but then you probably shouldn't visit France, and you certainly shouldn't become a French citizen.
In other words, if you allow people to communicate on the internet, you're not only required to be able to have access to all of their messaging and retain logs of all of it, but under their reasoning you have to observe every speech law everywhere on the planet. Which means that if everybody was like France, there'd be no internet. Perhaps it's best for them if they're just removed from it so they don't have to be exposed to it? They were pretty happy with minitel until the internet came along and ruined it for them by exposing them to uncomfortable ideas.
Hmm...Makes me wonder...Is PGP illegal in France? Because fundamentally, there isn't anything you can do with Telegram that you can't do with ordinary PGP + Email. If that became popular, would France start arresting people who work for email companies since there's no way in hell they could ever moderate it?
I don't know Telegram's crime & fraud issues well enough to have a strong opinion on this particular arrest.
But letting yourself become populated with encrypted venues for terrorists and child pornographers seems like a legit problem. You can have freedom of speech without completely losing the ability to enforce laws online.
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You can have freedom of speech without completely losing the ability to enforce laws online.
Hhm, not so sure that is true. What we are seeing in the UK and EU right now is a crackdown on free speech and in many cases the laws made in these countries fundamentally conflict with free-speech as a concept and with the way encrypted messaging applications work (unless you're suggesting key-escrow type arrangements). Once you have key-escrow, you take away the ability to be anonymous or protect your speech from government.
Of course, this all probably means that the cops in these places are going to ha
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It's either that or France's legal jurisdiction is the entire fucking planet.
It's essentially the same situation with certain red states pretending they're the federal government with regards to regulating porn sites operating from outside of their borders, so I'm curious if you feel the same way about that?
The old idea of the internet was supposed to be that you obey the laws of where your server is plugged in. Everybody else gets to follow the good ol' disclaimer* that goatse made famous, or they can pull a China with their own version of the great firewall (if your government ha
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It's essentially the same situation with certain red states pretending they're the federal government with regards to regulating porn sites operating from outside of their borders, so I'm curious if you feel the same way about that?
Yes? I mean...I've been pretty outspoken against that. Go read my post history, it's all there. Sure, you might end up with PTSD if you're easily offended, especially if you find the back-and-forth between me and BarBar, Son of Hud, another troll that I successfully trolled off of slashdot twice, but that's just a risk you'll have to take.
You'll probably also find how I've argued with progressives over California's ban of filming pornography without condoms. They've got it in their heads that the porn actor
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It's essentially the same situation with certain red states pretending they're the federal government with regards to regulating porn sites operating from outside of their borders, so I'm curious if you feel the same way about that?
I'm pro free speech and I'm against Red State anti-porn laws, but I'd point out that they use age restrictions and threats, not a great firewall (yet).
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There is an academic paper that reviews the cryptography situation in France 1990-2005. https://doi.org/10.1007/BF0321... [doi.org]
Cryptography had been regulated as a military technique in the wake of WWII (decree-law 18 April 1939). The EEC (precursor to the EU) liberalized communications through a Directive on 28 of June 1990, except for telephony and telex. The Directive is transposed into French law on 29 December 1990. While heavy restrictions existed on software makers (need a previous authorization from the G
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Well, isn't that convenient?
Can't prevent citizens from doing something? Prevent the corps from doing it instead, that way you can trample the rights of your citizens with no repercussions.
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If Telegram makes its product accessible to French citizen, it need to follow laws applying to social media platform
What idiots are modding up this tripe? That's not the way the internet is supposed to work. It is absolutely unreasonable to expect every platform on the net to comply with the myriad of global laws in every place the service could be accessed from. A site should only have to comply with the laws where they have a physical presence, e.g. an office with employees, or a datacenter.
If country (or in the case of red states in the USA doing something similar with laws regarding access to porn) wants to make s
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If what you say is true, why are websites based outside the EU complying with GDPR? (Or attempting to comply).
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If we're talking about judicial overreach, you better not be an American. The USA will claim jurisdiction if at any point in time, communications over the Internet went through an American server, or an American company was involved somehow, or a US citizen saw it.
The French are assholes, but not nearly as much as the USA. Their reputation for the policeman of the world isn't just because they invade countries all over the place.
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France has historically welcomed rich Russians who left because of communism. Nice has a big Russian church for that reason.
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The Rise of Skywalker is 141 minutes long. Which is longer than it takes for a root canal. On the plus side, the film is significantly easier on the wallet than the dental procedure.
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Yes, but which is more painful?
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And because YOU have not been in that situation, it means NOBODY should have been, unless they did something wrong.
Wow.
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Oh? Someone wanna play "I'm more scientific than the other guy!!!" Let's science, shall we?
Since you started, please provide the average, standard deviation, and degrees of freedom for your theory.
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Yes, statistically that is accurate.
But there are many exceptions.
I personally know someone who religiously brushes their teeth three times a day, and have huge dental problems. Genetics is a bitch.
Re:Cue Kremlin Trolls (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem isn't that it only pretends to be encrypted. The problem is that it is very well encrypted, and has no back doors for Western law enforcement/intelligence agencies. Publicly known by whom, by the way? Please show your work.
Also, nice attempt to short circuit criticism of your specious comment. Oh, you disagree? You're a Russian troll farm.
Not sure I get the Rise of Skywalker comment. I presume that only an AI could come up with a good point for the movie? Don't know where you're going with that. Actually, don't care.
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None of the so called encrypted apps are safe. If you don't control your own encryption before any other application is involved then someone somewhere other than you can access that data.
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If you don't control your own encryption before any other application is involved then someone somewhere other than you can access that data.
Sure, and as soon as you write your own encrypted chat platform, you can be the population-1 user of a safely encrypted app, because no one else other than you will have the safety guarantee you want.
So here's the question. If someone is always going to have access, then who do you want that someone to be? If you're American/Five-Eyes/Western, do you want the people with access to be the people who can then arrest you for what's in it if they don't like it? Or would you rather it be someone from the "other side", who has no jurisdiction or capability to do anything where you are?
Best thing right now is for Westerners to use Telegram. I don't give a fuck if the Kremlin knows what I do. And I know for a fact they aren't giving it to the NSA for their perusing enjoyment.
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So here's the question. If someone is always going to have access, then who do you want that someone to be? If you're American/Five-Eyes/Western, do you want the people with access to be the people who can then arrest you for what's in it if they don't like it? Or would you rather it be someone from the "other side", who has no jurisdiction or capability to do anything where you are?
Best thing right now is for Westerners to use Telegram. I don't give a fuck if the Kremlin knows what I do. And I know for a fact they aren't giving it to the NSA for their perusing enjoyment.
This logic is how someone becomes an asset for a foreign power.
Assets are developed, over time. First they find something minor that they can use to get you to do something minor for them... then they use the fact that you are helping a hostile foreign power to get you to do more.
Maybe you fudged your timecard (you weren't there when you said you were -the apps GPS logs prove that!), no big deal... but maybe HR should look into it (no bonus for you!) ...unless ...just let me know when the guy across the ha
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This logic is how someone becomes an asset for a foreign power.
Don't be dumb and dramatic. A foreign government isn't going to flash a major capability like at-will decrypting a private secure end-to-end encrypted messaging system in front of the world's eyes in order to recruit some low-level functionary.
And the high-level people foreign powers recruit they do it by putting cameras in hotel rooms to watch Russian prostitutes piss on you and whip you. Then they fund you getting elected President.
So I think you're pretty safe from someone trying to extort you because they decoded you talking about jimmying your tax return on Telegram. BTW, your scenario also assumes people are all petty criminals. Let's not try and project, ok. But if they did, and they approached you, that would be the biggest gift of your life. With that kind of leverage, you could get every petty crime you ever committed erased as you turn them in. Do you know what the State Department would do to get demonstrable evidence that the Russian government can/is reading Telegram? That would be a major propaganda coup and you could name your own price.
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Keep telling yourself that you are too clever to fall into the trap. You probably are. But this IS how people get recruited as assets -by organized crime and espionage agencies (who is to say which is which?) All it takes is someone getting enough information to pressure you into doing something small... to start.
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Keep telling yourself that you are too clever to fall into the trap.
There is no trap, Ackbar. Read my previous post over again to find out why. Read it a few more times to understand it.
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>Keep telling yourself that you are too clever to fall into the trap. You probably are. But this IS how people get recruited as assets -by organized crime and espionage agencies (who is to say which is which?) All it takes is someone getting enough information to pressure you into doing something small... to start.
Lol, so someone who doesn't trust the people who have direct power over them, is by default an "asset" of another foreign power, rather than a victim of a arbitrary and capricious government.
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You are overthinking it. All I am saying is the encryption and app should be separated. Cloud storage + encrypt before their app or site ever touches it. Messaging? Design the messaging app to accept encryption plugins that can be swapped out and controlled by the send/receive pair, not the creator of the application and preferably encryption plugins that are open sourced and viewed by eyes from all over the world. For instance... a few years back when the iPhone from the terrorist was locked out and the go
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Then I have to trust that the app uses the encryption correctly.
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The FBI wasn't trying to force Apple to break any encryption, possible or not. What they were demanding was for Apple to write in a backdoor for the FBI in iOS itself. Specifically, they wanted an override for the "wipe the encryption keys and reset the phone to factory default if a wrong passcode is entered 10 times" setting.
Re: Cue Kremlin Trolls (Score:2)
Signal?
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>Not sure I get the Rise of Skywalker comment. I presume that only an AI could come up with a good point for the movie? Don't know where you're going with that. Actually, don't care.
He implies that anyone who disagrees with him is a bot, when in reality slashdot doesn't have bots, because its invite only anymore, and they closed down registrations.
Not only that but he is trying to flex his vapid rabid leftist credentials, because he has learned to regurgitate leftist identity politics rhetoric.
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Publicly known by whom, by the way? Please show your work.
The mark of all great conspiracy theories is the requirement to prove a negative and show your working while doing so.
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According to Moxie Marlinspike, Telegram isn't an encrypted app. According to him, all messages on Telegram are stored in plaintext on its cloud database. In other words, Telegram isn't an encrypted app.
Moxie says Telegram isn't encrypted [x.com]
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Sorry for the double post. But, I forgot to include this: Telegram uses the cryptography standard called MTProto. It's been found to be insecure. Specifically, it's been found that you can use a ciphertext from Telegram and use that to turn it into a different ciphertext that decrypts the original message
Here's the link [iacr.org]to the paper that discovered this vulnerability.
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yeah, Slashdot's heyday is long since past, particularly as various owners tried to turn it into something other than news for nerds and drove away more and more of the nerd user base without those transitions managing to attract fresh users to replace them.
I feel like I'm predominately having the same conversations with the same people. Even Fark has a more active user base.
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I wasn't aware that new signups were no longer a thing. Wow.
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We've had obvious wumao posting here, even somewhat recently. Certainly other troll farms would spend a little time on Slashdot.
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Ask the wumao? Maybe Hackingbear can give you some hints?
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So do you say all those posts trolling for Russia (there are plenty of them here on /.) are the work of individual idiots who don't know better and totally unorganized?
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Of course the Russian troll farms are going to show up to try disrupt this story. Do you guys use generative AI at this point? Let's see. Reply to this post with a positive comment about The Rise of Skywalker.
That depends. Have they paid their bills [imgur.com] to respond? You should have tried this procedure [imgur.com] to get them to say something positive about The Rise of Skywalker.
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Why did you write "of course they'll show up", as thought it already happened, when you had the first post?
The kremlin troll is under your bed (Score:2)
The formal reasons for the arrest are, on the face of it, a part of the ridiculous and bullshit drive to destroy privacy of communication in Europe, unsurprisingly lead by the French version of Stasi. OMG, think of the children.
That line of attack is not an attack on Durov or Kremlin or whatever, it is an attack on the European citizens.
I'll refrain from speculating what real reasons are there for the arrest, as there is too little to speculate on. For some reason, though, Whatsapp's owners aren't persecute
Well if that's all it takes... (Score:3, Insightful)
the investigation was focused on a lack of moderators on Telegram, and that police considered that this situation allowed criminal activity to go on undeterred on the messaging app
All I can say is hey, Elon, I hear France is an excellent place to visit.
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Elon is light years behind in the queue, Zuck should get all the attention.
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So, you support authoritarianism and censorship? I guess that's you're right, but personally I'm very glad I live in a place where freedom of speech is ingrained into the highest law of the land. And let me guess, you don't like Elon because he fights for people's free speech rights?
Remember that those in power will not always agree with you, so be careful what you wish for.
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As Johnny Depp found out (and after talking about how shitty America is and how he never wanted to return) France is openly hostile to anybody with money. I don't think this changes anything. TBH I wouldn't be surprised if Fuckerberg got arrested if he went to France over whatsapp encryption. And believe me, he'd love to remove it if regulators allowed it.
Durov is a French citizen (Score:5, Informative)
Something both the summary and the article apparently forget to mention.
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Something both the summary and the article apparently forget to mention.
No one forgot anything, it's just not relevant. Laws don't just apply to citizens.
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Something both the summary and the article apparently forget to mention.
TFA reports Durov has dual French/UAE citizenship in the fourth paragraph.
They are after Telegram secured chats (Score:2, Interesting)
This is why he was arrested.
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This is why he was arrested.
Yeah, just like all those other developers of encrypted chat systems ... oh wait.
No need to make things up. The law is clear and what you wrote isn't against the law in the slightest. His arrest wasn't anything to do with any 1-to-1 chat functionality, encrypted or otherwise.
Re:They are after Telegram secured chats (Score:4, Informative)
I don't think it's the secure chats they are worried about, it's the open channels. They are a haven for all sorts of illegal stuff, and Telegram could moderate them because they aren't E2E encrypted. They are popular with terrorist orgs trying to recruit, and you have things like channels glorifying IDF war crimes, posting child porn...
Telegram allows you to report them, but they rarely do anything about them, and certainly don't pro-actively seek them out.
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Telegram seems to be non-responsive in general to any kind of complaint or inquiry, truly having a lack of manpower to do so.
In that sense it is a classic, mostly non-moderated chat system. Of the kind Xitter tries to advertise itself as, but for real.
The French have decided that kind of service isn't acceptable these days.
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These days? It was never acceptable. No service has ever been able to just say "sorry about facilitating this massive amount of crime you told us about, but we just don't have the manpower to do anything about it."
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If not acceptable, it was at least commonplace when you look back 2 or 3 decades. Was ICQ doing proactive monitoring and moderating?
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ICQ definitely kicked people off when they got reports.
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Telegram does too, eventually, if the violations are egregious and high-profile enough. That type of reactive moderation is roughly what I remember from ICQ.
But I get the feeling when France complains about "lack of moderators", what they are complaining about is the lack of proactive, continuous, blanket monitoring that became common in the Facebook era.
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These telegram channels are like postcards. Public, anyone can join and read what is being posted there. Not encrypted.
If you tried to post fliers advertising your KKK lynching, I very much think you would run into difficulties.
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Re: They are after Telegram secured chats (Score:2)
They claim to use DH for key exchange
Anyone can verify in the client source. Cos, yes, it's open source:
https://telegram.org/apps#sour... [telegram.org] and on top, they have reproducible builds and 3rd party clients.
Hello, WhatsApp? Why do you have neither?
When will Zuckerberg be arrested? (Score:2)
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/... [disquscdn.com]
Sleep no different tonight. (Score:2)
Re: cops really hate it (Score:2)
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We all know about "Too big to fail", is Elon Musk "Too big to jail"?