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Russia To Spend $646 Million To Block VPNs (yahoo.com) 67

An anonymous reader shares a report: Russia's communications watchdog Roskomnadzor plans to spend 59 billion rubles ($644 million) over the next five years to upgrade its internet traffic-filtering capabilities, the Russian edition of Forbes reported on Tuesday. The money will be used to upgrade hardware used to filter internet traffic, as well as block or slow down certain resources, Forbes reported, citing documents.

Russia passed a law in 2019 to enable the country to cut itself off entirely from the internet, in what it calls a campaign to maintain its digital sovereignty. Following the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Kremlin forced out several foreign social media and internet companies, although many services remain accessible via virtual private networks, or VPNs. The system upgrades will allow Russian authorities to better restrict access to VPNs, according to the document. New equipment has been purchased yearly since 2020 as traffic volumes grow, Roskomnadzor's press service said, according to Forbes.

Russia To Spend $646 Million To Block VPNs

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  • by Artem S. Tashkinov ( 764309 ) on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @02:48PM (#64777589) Homepage
    It's not about "digital sovereignty", it's about total control of information online. Putin really appreciates what China has achieved in this regard and he wants the same. No dissent, no criticism, the ruling party is the best party in the world and anyone who disagrees with it is an enemy of the state.
    • by saloomy ( 2817221 ) on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @02:57PM (#64777617)
      Neither China nor Russia block VPNs effectively, because any site that serves HTTPS traffic can server a VPN end-point. Your only chance is null-routing all IPs not in your country, or just simply severing all your cross-country links.
      • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @03:46PM (#64777781)

        Neither China nor Russia block VPNs effectively

        Indeed. I have friends and co-workers in China who use VPNs. It's technically illegal, but no one cares as long as they don't cause trouble.

        The goal isn't to stop all web traffic. China wants to stop many-to-many communication channels that can be used to organize unrest.

        China doesn't care much about one-to-one traffic. Email is not blocked. They also don't care about Chinese people communicating with foreigners on monitored services such as WeChat.

        Sites that don't allow posting in Chinese are also not blocked. Slashdot is available in China.

        But Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Telegram, X/Twitter, etc. support Unicode and uncensored group chats, so they are banned.

        • by Ed Tice ( 3732157 ) on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @04:50PM (#64778011)
          Even if blocking all VPNs was possible, it's not clear that China would want to do it. I have worked for multi-nationals with offices in China. For what are obvious reasons, the internal networks are all encrypted. Chinese colleagues who wanted to view prohibited material would just use a proxy whose egress was a US office location.

          If you block the ability to have private networks you essentially force many foreign businesses to close down operations. In the case of China, that's undesirable and would only be undertaken if necessary to ensure the CCPs control. In the case of Russia, all of the foreign businesses have already left.

          It would not be technically difficult for Russia to MiTM all traffic and block all VPN. Or, as the OP says, just sever all links and jail anybody who manages to get a Starlink terminal.

        • Sites that don't allow posting in Chinese are also not blocked. Slashdot is available in China.

          But Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Telegram, X/Twitter, etc. support Unicode and uncensored group chats, so they are banned.

          So the fact Slashdot does not support unicode still to this day is actually a feature and not a bug?!

          • So the fact Slashdot does not support unicode still to this day is actually a feature and not a bug?!

            I consider the lack of Unicode to be a feature.

            The PTB at Slashdot likely feel the same. Unicode support would be trivial to implement. The decision not to do so appears to be deliberate.

      • That's not actually technically the case in those countries filtration systems. They install trusted root certificates for a government owned CA on all computers, which they then use much like an IDS or WAF to man-in-the-middle HTTPS/TLS sessions. If you don't have the government certificate trust installed on an endpoint, HTTPS is just blocked. Now, these measures aren't strictly and uniformly implemented yet because they can break a lot of legitimate traffic especially from tech workers, but the capab
    • I'd probably say almost every country is wanting their own GFC right now. Russia, even before the Ukraine invasion, was looking at a way to make their own firewall and cut themselves completely off from the Internet. Same with Iran, and a number of European nations.

      This is just their stuff going into practice. I'm sure China will sell them this, and I'm sure Russians will find some way to bypass it, even it means meaning an infrared comms laser point to point for many kilometers to a foreign Internet POP

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Which is why you should be worried when politicians start trying to shut down specific networks people use to get information.

    • And his specialty was information warfare. It's why America and Europe is having such a problem with Russian misinformation. It's why we've got four prominent right wing pundits who were taking money directly from Russia and very obviously relaying Russian talking points...

      If you go look up the YouTuber Adam something you will find a very very strange video about Russian science fiction literature. It's all extremely weird pro-government propaganda. This is just one example but he's pretty much got a to
  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @02:55PM (#64777611)

    Like any good fascism. Cannot have the population know how the world outside really looks.

    • This. Government control of information and political opinion is fascism like government control of the economy and means of production are communism. Why a people elect a government that seeks to control them is always beyond me. Even in America, it seems the way things are going are in this direction.
      • by cstacy ( 534252 )

        Why a people elect a government that seeks to control them is always beyond me.

        Because the ballot has only one "choice" on it: the party, and if you don't vote correctly, you will be killed? (Or some effectively equivalent scenario.)

        What's not to understand, Comrade?
        Are you so confused you need re-education?
        We can accommodate you!

        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          That is the "afterwards" scenario.

          • by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @04:13PM (#64777879)

            The before scenario is to have people vote for you because they're scared, or because they believe your lies that you'll improve the economy and deal with that nasty problem of . Or various other reasons. It's once they're in office that they then start locking it all down; banning journalism media that disagrees with them, banning political parties that disagree with them, finding a hive of bogeymen and banning them, etc.

            "Sure, the brownshits are roughing up the Jews and Roma, but we didn't like them, and they were roughing up the socialists but they're probably all traitors, but we swear that they never once roughed up me or decent people like me! Therefore I'll vote for his party! Besides he has a few good ideas, and the opposition is just a bunch of limp wristed weaklings..."

            • by gweihir ( 88907 )

              Well, the comment I responded to sounded entirely like an excuse. In a democracy, there are no valid excuses for voting yourself a totalitarian regime. None at all.

              • Well, the excuse is either they wanted a totalitarian regime, a distinct possibility, or more likely they wanted a strong regime without realizing it would turn into a totalitarian one. Most dictators got that way by first appealing to the voters without appearing to want to become dictators, it was only over time that they strengthened their hold over the instruments of power.

                • Most dictators got that way by first appealing to the voters without appearing to want to become dictators, it was only over time that they strengthened their hold over the instruments of power.

                  [Citation needed]

                  If you ask 100 random people to name the worst dictators of the past 120 years, the most frequent answers are going to be men who got their power by leading violent factions in countries whose political system was already highly unstable and were already experiencing internal civil war and/or were still reeling from a recent major external war.

                  I think people have watched too much dramatized history as well as fiction like Star Wars and Game Of Thrones where that kind of long-con plotting ma

                  • Ok, I didn't go through all dictators. I went off of a recent series on Netflix explaining how several dictators got where they were. But even in the case where there was a revolution, presumably the revolution was not performed by just a small group of people but that there was a significant backng of the revolutionaries. At which point the backers supported the leader, up until the point that the purges started (ie, such as with Saddam Hussein). Some other times it was a civil war to oust the colonial

        • He kills any credible threat to his power instead. The crazy thing is he allows them to make a run against him in the first place and then kills them. Very publicly and very obviously too.

          The problem with the dictatorship is you can vote one in but you can't vote one out. We Americans would do well to remember that in November.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Why a people elect a government that seeks to control them is always beyond me.

        Probably because it gives them the warm, fuzzy feeling that there is some higher authority that takes care of them and their needs and they do not have to make decisions or understand anything or take responsibility for anything. Just follow the rules and they are good. Incidentally, this is more prevalent in conservatives, who are deeply afraid of change of any kind. And, not by coincidence, this is also why the deranged idea of "organized religion" is so successful. Same principle if more abstract.

      • by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @03:58PM (#64777835)

        https://www.reuters.com/world/... [reuters.com]

        Wonder what he means by

        Trump said: "Christians, get out and vote, just this time. "You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians."
        He added: "I love you Christians. I'm a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don't have to vote again, we'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote," Trump said.

        Says the "Christian" who has several divorces and paid women to fuck him.

        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          Trump only believes in Trump. Obviously he forgives himself even for the most obvious and most direct lies.

        • by vbdasc ( 146051 )

          Says the "Christian" who has several divorces and paid women to fuck him.

          There were Roman Popes who did the same, only without bothering to marry or divorce. You don't get much more Christian than that...

      • by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @04:05PM (#64777863)

        Ah, but it's all in how you phrase it. This tight control over the population just has to be labled as "freedom" and they'll vote for it. Because it's freedom for us but not for them. They're just trying to ban all the false religions instead of the one true religion which will retain its freedom. They're just banning all the unpatriotic parties, meaning all of them except for the one true political party, because only that one party will guarantee freedom. They're just banning all the news outlets that lie constantly about Dear Leader, but proper subservient news outlets will retain the freedom to say exactly what they're expected to say. Anyone who disagrees with this wonderful system of freedom is clearly an enemy agent of a foreign power and needs to be harshly dealt with.

        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          You mean like "the chocolate ration has been increased to 20 grams"? Well. People _are_ stupid in general, no question.

    • Like any good fascism. Cannot have the population know how the world outside really looks.

      They've always been at war with Eastasia.

    • When I was a kid I had the general impression that the rest of the world lived in mud huts. I don't just mean the blasted out countries we blew the shit during world war II or that we took slaves from in the 1800s but the European countries. It was just a general impression you got from American popular culture and even grade school history courses. That whole American exceptionalism bullshit that came out of our crazy ass freaking out over communism.

      I can't quite pin the moment I realized that was bull
      • by Mitreya ( 579078 )

        When I was a kid I had the general impression that the rest of the world lived in mud huts.

        I am not sure when you were a kid, but this isn't entirely wrong.
        Hailing from the former Soviet Union (born in late 70s), technology levels were certainly abysmal. To have a good VCR in the 80s, even late 80s, you had to have access to "international stores" which wouldn't accept rubles or you had to go to East Germany.
        My dad came from the area (near border with China) where indoor plumbing wasn't common not just when he was growing up in the 50s but even later. Obviously indoor plumbing situation was be

    • Plenty of people in China know how the world outside really looks. Chinese citizens regularly travel for business. And most western movies are available in China legally and the rest are available illegally. People will full stomachs don't revolt.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      What really scares me is how little many Westerners know about the world outside their own country. The endless accusations about the EU are a great example, or the denial of how well things are going in Scandinavian countries.

  • Their Cyber Warfare folks and Cyber Criminals will be allowed access to the Internet to attack countries like the U.S. etc...
  • Got to maintain his own illusion of control above all else.
    • Which is why there is no mention of Russia being invaded for the first time since World War II. Nothing on the nightly Russian "news" about conscripts being sent to their deaths or taken prisoner. Nothing about all the bridges being severed to trap thousands of Russian soldiers.

      And this doesn't even begin to touch on the tens of thousands of Russians killed invading Ukraine, or the hundreds of thousands wounded, captured, or just plain missing for what was supposed to be a two week operation.

      Any c
      • You make a great point about "muscovite." Russia is extremely rare in having a population that large while only having a single city with any political relevance at all. Not even China is like that. Bears further reflection on just what the hell "Russia" actually is, what it could be, and what it should be.
    • He is by some estimates to wealthiest human being on the planet and in history and the last serious attempt to overthrow him and it with a rocket taking out the opposition leaders jet.

      Every few years Putin allows someone to run against him and then has that person killed.

      The thing you have to understand is you can vote a dictator in but you can't vote one out. And you can't use violence to get rid of a dictator anymore because modern surveillance and militaries and police forces will knock you out e
      • Putin inherited more or less what was still a superpower nation with the goodwill and good intentions of the world. Poor or not, people wished it well and gave it the benefit of the doubt - repeatedly. He is currently in possession of a festering, embarrassing, diseased prison of a failed state embroiled in a disaster of his own making, in which his so-called country has zero sympathy even from its few remaining "friends."

        This catastrophe is against a much smaller and poorer neighbor that it invaded un
  • by Powercntrl ( 458442 ) on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @03:24PM (#64777707) Homepage

    The USA is heading down this same path, we're just a few steps behind.

    Blocking foreign social media? Yep, TikTok's ban takes effect sometime after the election, and Telegram is probably next in the government's crosshairs.

    I've said it before, a global internet was nice while it lasted.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Banning a hostile country's propaganda division is not "overreach". Just like banning armed Russian soldiers from Ukranian soil is not considered being harsh on migrant workers.

    • by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @03:48PM (#64777793) Journal

      TikTok has a way to not be banned. They are refusing to avail themselves of it.

      I don't find the need to shed a lot of tears for them.

      • TikTok has a way to not be banned. They are refusing to avail themselves of it.

        Yeah, they can do exactly what Starbucks was forced to do in Russia. How ironic.

        This is precisely how these things happen in Russia. From their perspective, it's all perfectly reasonable because at the end of the day, nationalism is still nationalism.

  • Sure this money will be spent on Silicon Valley tech, making Uncle Sam happy as well.
  • If they want to (Score:4, Insightful)

    by hdyoung ( 5182939 ) on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @03:45PM (#64777777)
    Spend huge amounts of money to make sure that they fall behind even faster than they are, I guess I have no problem with it. Even with that, info will leak in, and their border is porous enough, that the really good people will be able to leave. There’s no iron curtain anymore.

    Although they’ve already leaked about a million Russians, most of them young, large numbers of them educated, fleeing the war. . And most of them are NOT gonna go back.
    • Yeah and let's face it, 95%+ of the money goes to corruption. Also who knows how the country will look after five years. At this rate, it will have collapsed and instead of spending their time and effort to access foreign web services, people will be scrambling for food. Alternatively, there will be a coup and this VPN blockade will also no longer be likely necessary. But who knows. Russians thrive from suffering, so maybe they are willing to prolong their suffering and keep worshipping putler.
    • This is Russia we are talking about. They will spend huge sums of money but it won't have any impact. Somebody spend about 10% of that money buy a bunch of technology and embezzle the rest and then write a report that says that all VPNs are blocked. VPN won't actually be blocked. But every month there will be a report showing increased effectiveness of the blocking even though the technology doesn't work. And Putin will be genuinely convinced that all VPN is blocked.
  • I disagree that 59 billion rubles is $644 million. 59 billion rubles has no value outside of Russia. Not even China or India want to touch rubles.

    It is more accurate to convert the rubles into eggs you can buy from Russia and say that they are going to spend 4985915493 eggs (large) on this.

    • I disagree with your statement. Rubles are accepted in India and, to an extent, in China. Those Rubles can then be used to purchase Russian petroleum products.

      The ruble is the means of exchange by which Russia sells petroleum to China and India in exchange for sanctioned goods.

      There is still a Ruble/dollar exchange. Even if Rubles only have value inside of Russia, they still have value. Foreign tourists still visit Russia and exchange currency. Likewise for Russians who travel overseas.

      The te

  • For Putin and friends are going to be using it very often over the next five years.
  • yeah that's going to disappear
  • ... Iran blocked foreign cable TV. Tehran looks like a field of mushrooms with all the satellite dish antennas.

    Musk is probably rubbing his hands together in anticipation of a bunch of more StarLink customers. And before someone says location blocking, we can't very well do that if you people keep messing with GPS. We'll know when the jamming is turned off when we send a drone to the coordinates of that Black Sea palace and it reports back successfully.

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