Indonesia Bans Google Pixel Phones Over Local Rules

Indonesia has banned sales of Google Pixel smartphones for failing to meet a 40% local content requirement, days after blocking Apple's iPhone 16 in Southeast Asia's biggest phone market. Google must obtain local content certification before resuming sales in Indonesia, Industry Ministry spokesman Febri Hendri Antoni Arief said. The move follows last week's iPhone 16 ban after Apple failed to fulfill a $95 million investment pledge.

sooo

[zlives]

twocups 1 wire?

what phone

[gary s]

SO what phones would qualify? I am sure some dontations from apple/google will help this issue.

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[RossCWilliams]

Given that Apple and Google have minuscule shares of the Indonesian smart phone market, there are apparently a bunch of companies that are meeting the requirements.

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[zlives]

the gratuity must flow.

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[Ol Olsoc]

Given that Apple and Google have minuscule shares of the Indonesian smart phone market, there are apparently a bunch of companies that are meeting the requirements.

I hope you realize this is just a demand for baksheesh. Indonesia demanding that every phone in th eworld must have at least 40 percent Indonesian produced parts is nothing more than pecuniary extraction.

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[gabebear]

Indonesia is dominated by Chinese Vivo and Xiaomi... which also aren't made in Indonesia. Indonesia is part of a bunch of trading alliances with China though.

This feels more like Indonesia being a puppet of Pooh Bear rather than any actual issue Indonesia has with Apple/Google.

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[keltor]

Indonesia as typical of most Muslim countries is a huge fence sitter and has been since the beginning of the Cold War.

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[oumuamua]

Do you mean the 'New Cold War'? have to specify which one these days. Don't worry the US is taking actions to get them off the fence. Indonesia hospital under fire as Israeli forces deepen operations in northern Gaza https://www.thejakartapost.com... [thejakartapost.com]

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[test321]

Indonesia is dominated by Chinese Vivo and Xiaomi... which also aren't made in Indonesia.

* Xiaomi employs 1000 people in smartphone assembly and reached landmark 10 million smartphones in 2019. (2017) https://www.erajaya.com/news/x... [erajaya.com] (2019) https://www.thejakartapost.com... [thejakartapost.com]
* Vivo has a "made in Indonesia " line. https://vivoglobal.id/vivo-mad... [vivoglobal.id] (The page is in Indonesian, Google Translate to understand)
* Oppo also manufactures in Indonesia. https://restofworld.org/2023/c... [restofworld.org]

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[RossCWilliams]

So instead of Indonesia kowtowing to China, China has kowtowed to Indonesia. And the Chinese companies are the leading sellers. Maybe they are on to something.

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[Freischutz]

So instead of Indonesia kowtowing to China, China has kowtowed to Indonesia. And the Chinese companies are the leading sellers. Maybe they are on to something.

Not really, Indonesia is just doing what China does. The way they see it is this: You want to sell smartphones our 284.000.000 million citizens and potential consumers? Well then, build a factory here and make at least 40% of all components from scratch over here. It's just a variant of the Chinese tactic of forcing anybody who wants to invest in China to form a 50/50 partnership with a local company. I don't see a reason to dump on the Indonesians for this, it seems like a good idea. This how EU leaders sh

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[Ol Olsoc]

This how EU leaders should be dealing with the ongoing Chinese EV tsunami issue, clobber the Chinese over the head with their own rules, or variations of their own rules.

I agree, but that's not the way the EU does things.

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[RossCWilliams]

I agree, but that's not the way the EU does things.

The EU already has variations, as does every other country. In fact that is the whole purpose of the EU. There are rules for people from countries that are in the EU market and different rules for people in countries that aren't.

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[Ol Olsoc]

I agree, but that's not the way the EU does things.

The EU already has variations, as does every other country. In fact that is the whole purpose of the EU. There are rules for people from countries that are in the EU market and different rules for people in countries that aren't.

My point is the established fact that the EU prefers to hand out big fines, not that they want to force phone construction in the EU.

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[RossCWilliams]

Actually I meant the Chinese companies are on to something. The notion that "the customer is always right". If you want to sell phones in Indonesia you have to follow Indonesia's rules even if you are the biggest bully on the block.

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[Freischutz]

Indonesia is dominated by Chinese Vivo and Xiaomi... which also aren't made in Indonesia. Indonesia is part of a bunch of trading alliances with China though. This feels more like Indonesia being a puppet of Pooh Bear rather than any actual issue Indonesia has with Apple/Google.

Oppo (17%), Samsung (16,4%), Xiaomi (13,6%), Vivo (13,2%), Apple (12,6%), Realme (6,6%), InfiniX (4,8%), ... followed by a gaggle of minor players. The brands vary this is what the Asian markets looks like, increasingly dominated by Chinese brands. If Apple and Samsung disappeared from that market their place would be taken by half a dozen Chinese brands in no time flat.

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[NoWayNoShapeNoForm]

SO what phones would qualify? I am sure some dontations from apple/google will help this issue.

Those old Motorola Startac style flip phones that you might still acquire from one of those cell phone services for old folks companies.

Sounds like...

[billybob2001]

Sounds like it needs more Java (and more Java)

Companies should keep their commitments

[laughingskeptic]

The rule is an awkward and hard to measure "40% produced in Indonesia" but Indonesia accepted more specific commitments from both Apple and Google for investment/job commitments effectively in lieu of meeting this production rule. They both foolishly fell short. At least in Apple's case it wasn't a significant shortfall, haven't seen Google's shortfall published -- but if Apple managed better than 80%, why didn't they manage 100%?

U.S. jurisdictions routinely give away the farm to recruit companies. Th