How AI-Based Military Intelligence Powered Israel's Attacks on Gaza (msn.com) 116
It's "what some experts consider the most advanced military AI initiative ever to be deployed," reports the Washington Post.
But the Israeli military's AI-powered intelligence practices are also "under scrutiny. Genocide charges against Israel brought to The Hague by South Africa question whether crucial decisions about bombing targets in Gaza were made by software, an investigation that could hasten a global debate about the role of AI technology in warfare." After the brutal Oct. 7, 2023, attack by Hamas, the Israel Defense Forces deluged Gaza with bombs, drawing on a database painstakingly compiled through the years that detailed home addresses, tunnels and other infrastructure critical to the militant group. But then the target bank ran low. To maintain the war's breakneck pace, the IDF turned to an elaborate artificial intelligence tool called Habsora — or "the Gospel" — which could quickly generate hundreds of additional targets. The use of AI to rapidly refill IDF's target bank allowed the military to continue its campaign uninterrupted, according to two people familiar with the operation. It is an example of how the decade-long program to place advanced AI tools at the center of IDF's intelligence operations has contributed to the violence of Israel's 14-month war in Gaza... People familiar with the IDF's practices, including soldiers who have served in the war, say Israel's military has significantly expanded the number of acceptable civilian casualties from historic norms. Some argue this shift is enabled by automation, which has made it easier to speedily generate large quantities of targets, including of low-level militants who participated in the Oct. 7 attacks.
In a statement to The Post, the IDF argued that "If anything, these tools have minimized collateral damage and raised the accuracy of the human-led process." The IDF requires an officer to sign off on any recommendations from its "big data processing" systems, according to an intelligence official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because Israel does not release division leaders' names. The Gospel and other AI tools do not make decisions autonomously, the person added...Recommendations that survive vetting by an intelligence analyst are placed in the target bank by a senior officer...
Another machine learning tool, called Lavender, uses a percentage score to predict how likely a Palestinian is to be a member of a militant group, allowing the IDF to quickly generate a large volume of potential human targets... The rule mandating two pieces of human-derived intelligence to validate a prediction from Lavender was dropped to one at the outset of the war, according to two people familiar with the efforts. In some cases in the Gaza division, soldiers who were poorly trained in using the technology attacked human targets without corroborating Lavender's predictions at all, the soldier said.
The article includes an ominous quote from Steven Feldstein, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment who researches the use of AI in war. Feldstein acknowledges questions of accuracy, but also notes the accelerated speed of the systems, and the ultimate higher death count. His conclusion?
"What's happening in Gaza is a forerunner of a broader shift in how war is being fought."
But the Israeli military's AI-powered intelligence practices are also "under scrutiny. Genocide charges against Israel brought to The Hague by South Africa question whether crucial decisions about bombing targets in Gaza were made by software, an investigation that could hasten a global debate about the role of AI technology in warfare." After the brutal Oct. 7, 2023, attack by Hamas, the Israel Defense Forces deluged Gaza with bombs, drawing on a database painstakingly compiled through the years that detailed home addresses, tunnels and other infrastructure critical to the militant group. But then the target bank ran low. To maintain the war's breakneck pace, the IDF turned to an elaborate artificial intelligence tool called Habsora — or "the Gospel" — which could quickly generate hundreds of additional targets. The use of AI to rapidly refill IDF's target bank allowed the military to continue its campaign uninterrupted, according to two people familiar with the operation. It is an example of how the decade-long program to place advanced AI tools at the center of IDF's intelligence operations has contributed to the violence of Israel's 14-month war in Gaza... People familiar with the IDF's practices, including soldiers who have served in the war, say Israel's military has significantly expanded the number of acceptable civilian casualties from historic norms. Some argue this shift is enabled by automation, which has made it easier to speedily generate large quantities of targets, including of low-level militants who participated in the Oct. 7 attacks.
In a statement to The Post, the IDF argued that "If anything, these tools have minimized collateral damage and raised the accuracy of the human-led process." The IDF requires an officer to sign off on any recommendations from its "big data processing" systems, according to an intelligence official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because Israel does not release division leaders' names. The Gospel and other AI tools do not make decisions autonomously, the person added...Recommendations that survive vetting by an intelligence analyst are placed in the target bank by a senior officer...
Another machine learning tool, called Lavender, uses a percentage score to predict how likely a Palestinian is to be a member of a militant group, allowing the IDF to quickly generate a large volume of potential human targets... The rule mandating two pieces of human-derived intelligence to validate a prediction from Lavender was dropped to one at the outset of the war, according to two people familiar with the efforts. In some cases in the Gaza division, soldiers who were poorly trained in using the technology attacked human targets without corroborating Lavender's predictions at all, the soldier said.
The article includes an ominous quote from Steven Feldstein, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment who researches the use of AI in war. Feldstein acknowledges questions of accuracy, but also notes the accelerated speed of the systems, and the ultimate higher death count. His conclusion?
"What's happening in Gaza is a forerunner of a broader shift in how war is being fought."
You need AI (Score:5, Insightful)
To target tents and children? Hm, ok. Don't forget: RUSSIA BAD, VERY BAD.
Re:You need AI (Score:5, Insightful)
AI, the tool to wash hands of genocidal hypocrisy.
Re:You need AI (Score:4, Insightful)
Every group on the planet is capable of genocide, if we feel (note I said feel, no proof is not required) our group is under significant threat that group will want to get rid of the group that poses that threat. Put it another way if your neighbors where shooting at your family you want to get those neighbors even if some of them are innocent. Your priority is the protection of your group not theirs.
The difference between the holocaust and this is Jews never attacked Germany, and I think Israel would be quite happy if the Palestinians packed up an left, where as Hitler was making a clear attempt to kill all Jews no matter where they fled. Both are genocide under the definition of genocide however its to opposite ends of the scale. But neither one is good.
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Last time I checked, Israel is making an effort to avoid civilian casualties in a high density area, a very difficult task, which is run by a completely independent government that cannot cooperate with either of it's neighbors. If you want to see genocide, go look at what happened in Rwanda 1994. That's genocide: their government claims that a million people were killed in 100 days. Other estimates, while lower, still put it at around 500,000-640,000. 100 days.
None of this would even be happening had Gaza
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The evidence is that there are Palestinian that remain alive, Palestine is an incredibly small place and densely populated that if carpet bombed would have much higher casualties if Israel was actively seeking to kill everyone.
I don't know what the motives of Israel is for not killing every Palestinian, possible not to loose support of their allies but this is just speculation and the conclusion will be mainly a result of each person's bias. I also think they could make better efforts to avoid more civilia
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Last time I checked, Israel is making an effort to avoid civilian casualties in a high density area
Wow, you're a very trusting individual.
I happen to own a historic bridge in Brooklyn that I'm looking to sell. I promised my Grandfather that I would never put a toll booth up, but I just can't afford to keep it open without one. It's a real shame. There are millions in profit that I just can't bring myself to capitalize on...
I've waited as long as I could, so I'm forced to let it go cheap. I don't mind as long as its too a buyer like you. You know, someone really smart and super cool. It has to be no
Re:You need AI (Score:5, Informative)
"Hey, they're doing better than the Rwandans!" That's not a reasonable yardstick by which to judge behavior.
"None of this would even be happening had Gaza not started a war by attacking Israel in 2023". About 40% of the Palestinian population is 13 or younger (that's an estimate from 2023). Did they start a war?
The whole premise behind "war crimes" is that even when an enemy declares war on you, there are still certain rules about what you can do in response. You're *still* not allowed to kill civilians indiscriminately, and you're still not allowed to use starvation as a weapon of war. It is not a defense to say "Hey, this is wartime", and it's not a defense to say "well, the other guy started it". They're called *war* crimes, not "crimes against nice people who weren't bothering anybody".
I sometimes wish we could take people like the OP, airlift them to the middle of downtown Rafah, and leave them there (sans passport) to fend for themselves. I suspect that they would quickly change their mind about the perceived "fairness" of Israeli rules of engagement.
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About 40% of the Palestinian population is 13 or younger (that's an estimate from 2023). Did they start a war?
That could be why they report such high rates of women and children dying, assuming 50% of Palestinians are women that would mean they are 70% women and children, but I assume they are using a child as anyone under 18, so probably higher.
Anyway its irrelevant that if they started it, when countries go to war the vast majority of the people who die are not the people who started it. It would be great if life was actually like the movies where the leaders would fight to the death, the war ends. But that is fa
Re: You need AI (Score:2)
But in that case, don't claim there is an attempt to avoid civilian casualties when there is obviously very little effort made.
The ICJ is currently investigating a death squad of snipers that targeted civilians as a matter of course. They made the mistake of bragging about it on social media and the evidence is now under review.
Reporters for Al Jazeera were regularly targeted at home, not in the office or at work. This is explicitly causing civilian casualties on purpose, which is banned under the Geneva co
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Gaza: pop *was* just over 2M.
As of a month or two ago, Israel had murdered over 40,000 people, it just destroyed the last major hospital in Gaza, and then there's the "settlers" in the West Bank who are attacking Palestinians who live there.
This is "ethnic cleansing" - it's genocide, and a war for Lebensraum (and "Eretz Israel").
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Well, at least as a story to tell us grow great AI is, this is an abysmal failure. Seems the AI cheerleaders are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Would any other country not keep fighting when hundreds of its hostages were still not released? Would any country not fight until the war was won if a significant percent of its population was killed in a surprise attack?
Re:You need AI (Score:5, Insightful)
Um, plenty of countries end up with their citizens as hostages and don't start a war over it. History is full of it happening.
The real problem isn't that Israel took military action though. The real problem is Israel's very long history of antagonism towards the Palestinians via the seizing of their territory and turning a blind eye towards violent attacks against them performed by the Israeli military and civilians, their complete lack of any kind of long term plan on how to deal with the Palestinians, and their incredibly aggressive tactics and indiscriminate use of large unguided bombs in one of the most densest populated parts of the world during this conflict that have resulted in large numbers of civilian casualties.
There's also the whole starving and malnourished children angle as pretty much every major international food aid program has pointed out Israel is creating a hell of a lot of hard ship for Palestinian civilians by not letting enough food aid in
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I don't deny that Israel has issues with how it treated Palestinians in the past. Not everything you mentioned is correct. If Israel actually weren't allowing necessary aid, why wouldn't aid organizations just send it through Egypt? But on the other hand, Hamas uses aid to buy or make weapons instead of helping the people. For example, pipes become rockets, which are then launched at Israeli cities.
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To target tents and children? Hm, ok. Don't forget: RUSSIA BAD, VERY BAD.
Amplifying the OP.
Israel is a terrorist state at least as much as Russia is, and in a world where there's actual justice, they should be sanctioned into oblivion at least as much as we're currently doing to Russia -- if not just bombed out of existence.
Now, they're doing land-grabs in Syria, taking advantage of the power-vacuum left by the departure of that butcher Assad. Literally kicking people out of their homes [aljazeera.com], and in some cases bulldozing dwellings.
Oh and by the way good luck finding anything about
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At least link to a neutral source like BBC or Reuters. Al Jazeera is literally a propaganda publication.
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From TFA:
an elaborate artificial intelligence tool called Habsora - or "the Gospel"
It seems that Israel has accepted technology as their new God. Money is now in second place.
Unclear on the distinction (Score:2, Informative)
The Israelis are not human. They are acting like the Nazis.
I'm unclear on the distinction.
Hamas attacked a peaceful music festival, killed a lot of innocent civilians, and took a bunch of people hostage. Some hostages were tortured, some were killed, and Hamas still has hostages, both Israeli and American.
I'm not sure who is the "acting like Nazis" party here.
Doesn't Israel have the right to demand their citizens back? And if the hostages are not returned, shouldn't they be allowed to wage war until they *are* returned?
About 5 days ago, Hamas was willing to free 22
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I'm not sure who is the "acting like Nazis" party here.
No-one. Not really.
Doesn't Israel have the right to demand their citizens back? And if the hostages are not returned, shouldn't they be allowed to wage war until they *are* returned?
Doesn't Israel currently have thousands of Palestinians imprisoned without charge? Many of whom were "arrested" outside of Israel by Israeli soldiers? There are documented cases of children being taken by Israeli soldiers from the occupied West Bank because they threw rocks.
About 5 days ago, Hamas was willing to free 22 of 34 living hostages demanded by Israel. WTF? We'll return 2/3 of the hostages if you stop shooting at us?
A few days after the attack in October 2023 Hamas were reportedly willing to return all hostages, but the Netanyahu government would not accept this. Netanyahu doesn't actually care about the hostages.
Seven Americans are currently held by Hamas [ajc.org]. Should the US just turn a blind eye to American citizens?
The US should try
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A few days after the attack in October 2023 Hamas were reportedly willing to return all hostages, but the Netanyahu government would not accept this.
If only there could be a source to this misinformation.
Try google.
Netanyahu: Ending war as part of hostage deal would keep Hamas as threat to Israel [timesofisrael.com]
Netanyahu rejected ceasefire-for-hostages deal in Gaza, sources say [theguardian.com]
Netanyahu won’t agree to hostage release deal unless it polls well for him, Israeli families say they were told [nbcnews.com]
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Hamas were reportedly willing to return all hostages, but the Netanyahu government would not accept this.
The very first article I linked:
"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu doubled down on his rejection of Hamas’s demand for an end to Israel’s war against it in exchange for freeing the hostages it holds."
The OP was accurate.
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None of the purported deals were about releasing all of the hostages.
False.
Are you illiterate or just a lying scumbag?
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Like I said, none of the deals were about releasing ALL of the hostages
False.
Once again, are you illiterate or just a lying scumbag?
That's rhetorical, of course. The evidence strongly suggests that you're both illiterate and a lying scumbag.
Re: Unclear on the distinction (Score:2)
Killing the negotiator and his family during the negotiation process was unlikely to help. And that helped Netanyahu. As long as the hostages are gone, he can remain in power without elections. So the hostages will never get back. And certainly not when they can be very embarrassing to him if they start lashing out against him on TV.
Also, none of them are of his fanbase. He really couldn't care less and that is not even considering the possibility that he deliberately placed the IDF out of position on Octo
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IDF is discriminate with regard to bombings. They drop flyers ahead of time and do roof knocks. Hamas will prevent civilians from fleeing for use as human shields. We know these things and we know that Hamas must be destroyed for things to have any chance to improve.
Re: Unclear on the distinction (Score:4, Interesting)
Maybe no one is innocent. This operation by Hamas was predicted by the Obama administration down to the music festival attack even gliders. The idea was publically dismissed and officials in israel were even quoted as saying there was no way a black president could comprehend such matters....
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Please explain how Israel are the Nazis
Genocide.
Re:Unclear on the distinction (Score:4, Insightful)
Israel provoked the attack. As unjustifiable as it may have been, the Israelis are the ones responsible for it. You can't keep people in what amounts to an open air prison for decades and not expect desperation.
It may have worked too. Instead of Gaza being slowly annexed and it's people forced out, Israel has become an international pariah, run by a wanted war criminal. The genocide has been recognised for what it is. It's too early to say, but in the long run this may have forced a change in the Palestinian's favour.
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It's a pretty incompetent genocide considering the palestinian population has been doubling every few years since 1948
Re: Unclear on the distinction (Score:2)
How many have to die before we can say its a genocidal campaign? 5% of the population? 50%? Do you have a cutoff that we should wait to achieve first?
Re: Unclear on the distinction (Score:2)
You don't want Israel to annex Gaza, but when Israel isolates itself from it (in a way comparable to an international border) and leaves them to their own devices, you call the result an "open air prison"...
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Israel should go back to its own borders. Unoccupy Palestine and prosecute the settler terrorists. Put reforms in place to end apartheid, like South Africa did. Make Zionism as unacceptable as Nazim became in Germany.
Bullshit (Score:5, Insightful)
the IDF argued that "If anything, these tools have minimized collateral damage and raised the accuracy of the human-led process."
The repeated, deliberate bombing of schools [bbc.com], refugee camps [apnews.com], hospitals, safe zones [nbcnews.com], and apartment [latimes.com] blocks [pbs.org] only shows the accuracy of Israel's genocide. At least 146 journalists have been killed [cpj.org] so far in and around Gaza. I say around because it's funny how often Israeli airstrikes and artillery barrages strike fully identified media personnel in Palestine and Lebanon.
The lies continue and the U.S. does nothing. If Israel can commit genocide, why should care about the Holocaust?
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the U.S. does nothing.
Far from nothing. We are providing the bombs and air cover.
If you want to know why this is, check out AIPAC Tracker: https://x.com/TrackAIPAC [x.com]
The Israel lobby AIPAC openly brags its election interference, i.e. how its candidates routinely get elected.
https://x.com/AIPAC/status/178... [x.com]
https://x.com/AIPAC/status/179... [x.com]
The US can't really do anything (Score:2)
Folks think we can threaten to pull our aid, but it's about 1% of their GDP, 2% if you include all the non military aid. They can tell us to go pound sand and buy weapons from Germany, France or even India/China.
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short of putting boots on the ground, which voters won't back.
We put UN boots on the ground. The IDF shot at them anyway.
Re: The US can't really do anything (Score:2)
France won't sell them, and Germany has supply issues for its own army and Ukraine. Politically it would be suicidal for Germans government to send arms to Israel right now.
As for buying weapons from China, I'm not sure Israel would want to depend on that, nor would China like to antagonise countries that are turning to them over this specific issue.
The only candidate is India, no stranger to genocide themselves. Yeah, good PR. I don't think they would do that.
Re:Bullshit (Score:5, Interesting)
As a follow up, I forgot to mention that Israel has allocated $150 million [jewishinsider.com] (most likely U.S. taxpayer money) to convince the world [timesofisrael.com] it's not really committing genocide in Palestine.
Re:Bullshit (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think Israel particularly cares if civilians die and aren't as careful as they could be with their operations, but if the could have leveled Gaza within weeks if they had wanted to. Frankly, the U.S. shouldn't do anything and should stay the hell out of it. Of course tax dollars are being funneled into military funding and more will eventually be funneled into rebuilding afterwards, but it's just an excuse to rob the taxpayers to reward donors as opposed to anyone actually caring about either side. And ultimately nothing will change and we'll be left in the same situation as before waiting for the next round of hostilities to flare up so more money can be funneled from the pockets of the tax payer into the pockets of the few.
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You throw the Holocaust into your argument as if it were in any way comparable to the present conflict beyond the simple fact that both involve the Jews.
Perhaps appropriate since that's what Israel does when faced with any criticism.
But that's typical of Israel: outraged at everything, yet ashamed of nothing.
Gaza conflict will go until 2137 (Score:2)
Says 'ONN Future News' and damn if things don't seem to be headed that way: https://youtu.be/iKC21wDarBo?s... [youtu.be]
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Yes, it isn't genocide; it's more accurately "total war" (the kind of war where infrastructure is fair game and civilians are somewhere between expendable and targets-of-opportunity. after all, eventually they'll learn to go away, so why not help them with bullets?).
Americans, though, don't care about that; to us, war is total war, be it Dresden, Fallujah, or Savannah. "Genocide" just catches our jaded attention lol.
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Israel is still trying to pretend that it's not a genocidal state. It seems they were hoping that the population of Gaza would be forced over the border, so they wouldn't have to kill all of them.
An example of this pretence is TFA. Their "AI" is just "if target within Gaza send bomb". At most they use some image recognition to hit high value targets like ambulances and refugee camps. "Computer said do a war crime, we are investigating ourselves" is their go-to excuse.
Re:Bullshit (Score:5, Interesting)
Who cares, it's a war. The object is to kill the enemy,
I am glad to know that you are not an officer in the US military. The objective of war is not to kill the enemy. The objective of war is to win the war. This is taught and emphasized and emphasized again.
If you do that by targeting civilians, that is a war crime.
not just the evil among the enemy. Why is this war held to a harsher standard than every other war in human history?
Why is this war held to a lesser standard than every other war? In other wars, officers who sanction war crimes are put on trial.
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Re: Bullshit (Score:2)
That attitude became sanctionable after WW2. And rightly so.
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If you do that by targeting civilians, that is a war crime.
Just wait until they put on an uniform/pick up a weapon and then you can kill them.
Correct.
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Wars are fought between sovereign nations. Israel refuses to acknowledge Palestine as such (so naturally the US does too) and calls anyone who does an antisemite.
So do you think Palestine is a sovereign nation? Do they do things like control their imports/exports, grant permits for construction/water/electrical, control the supreme court within their jurisdiction? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Checkmate ICC! (Score:1)
Re: Israel is a terrorist state (Score:1, Troll)
So AI makes genocide more targeted? Or what? (Score:5, Insightful)
So they claim that without AI they would have killed even more innocent bystanders? Or did it even more painful and unpleasant for them? That hardly seems possible. Well, it is mass-murdering religious fanatics on one side and mass-murdering religious fanatics on the other. And a lot of civilians in the middle that did not ask for this and basically have no choice in being there.
The main difference between doing genocide and terrorism is that genocide is usually better organized and kills a lot more people. As can be seen nicely in the case at hand. The instigators, coordinators and executors are operating pretty much on the same moral level in both cases though, namely one where it is hard to sink any lower.
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The instigators, coordinators and executors are operating pretty much on the same moral level in both cases though, namely one where it is hard to sink any lower.
Same goes for the person that modded me down, incidentally. Apologizing mass-murder is not that much better than doing it.
Re:So AI makes genocide more targeted? Or what? (Score:4, Interesting)
Genocide and terrorism are two different concepts.
Genocide is killing. Terrorism is about using massive violence to break down people's morale for political gain.
What Israel is doing in Gaza is genocide and terrorism.
Israel's goal here is to create the conditions that will give them an excuse to continue committing genocide. ... until Gaza's population is insignificant and under control, and Israeli settlers can move in.
The AI tells them where to bomb: so they can blame the AI when innocents get killed.
The killing of innocents instigate more resistance: to keep the hostilities going.
And the cycle repeats,
Be careful when you fight with monsters (Score:5, Insightful)
Israel has become the monster
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It's funny how many Israeli laws are modeled after German laws of the 1930s and 1940s.
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Imagine if Mexico killed 1000 and kidnapped 100 Americans. Imagine that they broadcast videos of torturing those Americans for a full year. I don't think you can even imagine how much death US would rain down in that situation, and I don't think you would complain when they did.
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we'll kill the terrorists with fire instead.
You are no different than Hamas.
This is no different than America using nukes on Japan
Quite a bit different, actually. And it isn't the strong moral defense you think it is.
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Not nearly enough genocide going on (Score:2, Funny)
This is the most piss poor genocide ever enacted in all of human history.
Others have killed far more people, much faster, with much lower tech and military capabilities than Israel has in Gaza.
It's been almost 1.5 years and even the Hamas PR guys only claim about 40k total dead out of millions of defenseless targets. The IDF are completely incompetent.
The Hutu managed to slaughter 800k Tutsi in only 100 days with nothing but machete. wtf? The IDF need to hire those guys to do this genocide thing for them
fuck... (Score:1, Insightful)
... The Hague, and fuck South Africa on this.
If Gaza didn't like it, they could have returned the hostages at *any* moment.
They were all celebrating hard enough around the pickup trucks with the dead bodies of abused girls in October 7. And the UN/West enabled this with literal torrents of unsupervised money for decades which could have made Gaza a wonderful place, but instead bought bunkers and rockets and guns.
Like ammo in vending machines (Score:2)
I read that. Yep, the CEO of the company said that. He had his factoids and figures worked out. Will sell like hotcakes and syrup. Who doesn't want to be safer??
Idolatry? (Score:1)
Machine before man. Does your God approve?
Weak tools (Score:2)
Those tools must be mediocre, if after over a year after being attacked Israel have not dealt with all the terrorists. Israel actions looks like normal, although not very effective, conventional warfare.
A bit biased (Score:3)
"People familiar with the IDF's practices, including soldiers who have served in the war, say Israel's military has significantly expanded the number of acceptable civilian casualties from historic norms."
in over 42,000 bombed targets in 400 days, the "Hamas Health Ministry" (sic) claims about 45000 dead, INCLUDING every single dead terrorist.
If one assumes that Israel does not bomb empty houses but terrorist-occupied ones and if one assumes that at least ONE terrorist was targeted in each bombing, that leaves about 0.1 civilian casualties according to my numbers.
Perhaps somebody can show me the error of my way to calculate or maybe Israel IS bombing ONLY empty houses, then it's a bit over 1 (ONE) civilian deaths per target bombed.
I mean i'm all for killing children but AI could b (Score:1)