EV, Hybrid Sales Reached Record 20% of US Vehicle Sales In 2024 (cnbc.com) 110
Sales of electric vehicles and hybrids reached 20% of new car sales in the U.S. last year, with Tesla maintaining dominance in the EV market despite a slight decline in market share. CNBC reports: Auto data firm Motor Intelligence reports more than 3.2 million "electrified" vehicles were sold last year, or 1.9 million hybrid vehicles, including plug-in models, and 1.3 million all-electric models. Traditional vehicles with gas or diesel internal combustion engines still made up the majority of sales, but declined to 79.8%, falling under 80% for the first time in modern automotive history, according to the data.
Regarding sales of pure EVs, Tesla continued to dominate, but Cox Automotive estimated its annual sales fell and its market share dropped to about 49%, down from 55% in 2023. The Tesla Model Y and Model 3 were estimated to be the bestselling EVs in 2024. Following Tesla in EV sales was Hyundai Motor, including Kia, at 9.3% of EV market share; General Motors at 8.7%; and then Ford Motor at 7.5%, according to Motor Intelligence. BMW rounded out the top five at 4.1%. The EV market in the U.S. is highly competitive: Of the 68 mainstream EV models tracked by Cox's Kelley Blue Book, 24 models posted year-over-year sales increases; 17 models were all new to the market; and 27 decreased in volume.
Regarding sales of pure EVs, Tesla continued to dominate, but Cox Automotive estimated its annual sales fell and its market share dropped to about 49%, down from 55% in 2023. The Tesla Model Y and Model 3 were estimated to be the bestselling EVs in 2024. Following Tesla in EV sales was Hyundai Motor, including Kia, at 9.3% of EV market share; General Motors at 8.7%; and then Ford Motor at 7.5%, according to Motor Intelligence. BMW rounded out the top five at 4.1%. The EV market in the U.S. is highly competitive: Of the 68 mainstream EV models tracked by Cox's Kelley Blue Book, 24 models posted year-over-year sales increases; 17 models were all new to the market; and 27 decreased in volume.
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At the end of the day, in this economy, few have the income to afford new cars - and cost is almost always going to win out. That's usually bad news for EVs.
Actually, EVs were one of the better deals in the used car market, thanks to the $4k tax credit and EV FUD in general keeping people from getting into bidding wars over them. Hell, at the height of the used car pricing nuttiness, I was able to do what was literally an even swap from a 2019 Nissan Versa to a Chevy Bolt. The best part was, the Bolt had a brand new battery installed due to the recall.
The incoming administration has it in for EVs and I'm sure we'll see a bit of cooling in the EV market once t
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The incoming administration has it in for EVs and I'm sure we'll see a bit of cooling in the EV market once the tax credits go *poof*. Elections have consequences and all that jazz.
Surely Elon's $250,000,000 campaign contribution wasn't in vain?
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I don't see President Elon screwing his own company?!
Re: Lumping them in (Score:5, Informative)
I don't see President Elon screwing his own company?!
Elon Musk has spoken out against EV subsidies for quite some time now. While he has been a bit vague on why he'd want the subsidies gone I believe it is because he knows companies competing against Tesla benefit more from the subsidies than Tesla does. How that works is a bit complicated but part of the issue is companies that sell EVs in addition to ICEVs can use the subsidies and income from their ICEV products to undercut Tesla pricing. There's nothing illegal about this, or if there is some law against this then it would be difficult to prove. If these companies can drive Tesla out of the market with the support of government subsidies then that means more income for them in the future. Remove the subsidies and it gets more expensive to push Tesla out of the market, and that benefits Elon Musk.
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Incentives encourage competition...
No, they don't, incentives are a means for the government to put favor on some segment of the economy over another segment. Tesla benefited from this favorable status for a time while the established automakers believed BEVs to something of a distraction or annoyance to "real" car making. With time Tesla proved the BEV a viable competitor to the ICEV in some segments of the market and now the established automakers are working hard to restore their position in these markets. Because they have income from
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incentives are a means for the government to put favor on some segment of the economy over another segment.
Which encourages companies to compete in that segment. So if you are Tesla that has established its business exclusively on that segment, incentives encourage competition.
You seem to recognize that but are ideologically opposed. I don't argue ideology or faith.
The major incentives that Tesla is selling is credits to auto makers who are required to produce a percentage of emission-free vehicles. Every electric vehicle those auto makers produce themselves is one less credit they need to buy. So incentives tha
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EVs were one of the better deals in the used car market
Do you say that just because they are cheaper, or do you have stats demonstrating that they are better than an ICE used considering all repairs, lost battery range, battery failure and replacement, cargo space and utility for the owner and general convenience?
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Mostly, used EVs are a better deal at the lower end of the used market, where your alternative in the same price range is some ICE beater that truly is near the end of its expected lifespan. Heck, I have a friend who paid what I'd paid for my Bolt, pre-Covid, for a used ICE car. That car's lifespan was measured in months, when the engine blew while his ex-wife was driving it.
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I'm curious what makes a hybrid these days. I've seen some light/mild hybrids that have a beefier battery bank and larger starter motor due to the autostart stuff the CAFE regs mandate. From there, electric motors sharing the drivetrain, then you have series hybrids which have a generator or range extender on a pure BEV.
For example, the Volt and the RAMCharger are both series hybrids, but because they have a gas engine, are not "pure" EVs, although if the gasoline engine is obliterated, the vehicle would
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IMHO it shouldn't be called a hybrid unless it can be charged by plugging in, and run for at least a few miles just on the battery.
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The plug-in kind are called PHEVs, the other HEVs. Unfortunately TFS doesn't break them down.
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IMHO it shouldn't be called a hybrid unless it can be charged by plugging in, and run for at least a few miles just on the battery.
While it may seem like an important distinction, some plug-in hybrid owners don't even utilize their vehicles' plug-in capabilities. According to ChatGPT:
Around 20-40% of PHEV owners may not regularly plug in their vehicles.
A smaller subset, around 10-20%, reportedly never plug in their cars.
In that regard, it's not entirely unreasonable to lump all hybrids together into the same category, because they can still be used as entirely gas-fueled vehicles out of laziness or necessity (such as being parked at a
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I read about this as well. It genuinely surprises me, because the #1 reason that a PHEV is most likely going to be my next vehicle is exactly this. For daily commutes, it can run from power charged overnight, as I'm lucky enough to have 240 volts with enough amps outside for a charger. However, when one needs to go on a trip and not worry about charger availability, no worry about range anxiety or making sure to charge. Best of all worlds.
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My company is one of those that mandate you get a PHEV or EV as a company car (for the tax purposes you list as well as tax incentives for the company itself). One thing you're missing is that it is incredibly common for company cars to include monitoring of how they are used, and that includes monitoring of the charging state and fuel state. It's a contractual requirement of all people who get a company PHEV (and every other company I've heard of who run a similar scheme) that they charge their vehicle.
And
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This is a case of ideology blinding to motivations people have in reality. Most people who get cars from their work are wealthy enough not to care about a couple of dozen euros saved a month.
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And even if it wasn't, you'd need to have an incredibly low IQ to voluntarily pay more to use your car. Electricity is cheaper than gasoline
My understanding is the data says many PHEV's go uncharged. So apparently some people fit your description or they have other motives.
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While it may seem like an important distinction, some plug-in hybrid owners don't even utilize their vehicles' plug-in capabilities.
I see an important distinction between don't and can't.
If people don't plug in their PHEV then there's at least a potential for a change in habits from the owner, or if sold to another owner then that person might use the plug-in charging ability. The PHEV is at least moving forward on getting vehicles out the door that can plug in for transportation, the non-plug-in types of hybrids are just regular cars with a different kind of transmission, kind of like a clutch-and-stick versus automatic. They all sti
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So if somebody buys a plug-in, but never actually does, would that still be a hybrid?
Remember the koan of the tree in the forest, grasshopper.
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It will still charge the battery with regenerative braking, and thus will have better fuel economy than a pure ICE vehicle would
It is a waste of resources, as a much smaller battery is needed for an HEV than a PHEV. The larger battery costs more and reduces mileage unnecessarily if is never fully charged.
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Of course it is a hybrid.
A standard hybrid stores energy due to regenerative braking or going downhill in a battery.
Often they actually have a generator, too, and charge the battery. When the battery has enough charge and driving conditions - e.g. low speed in a homing zone - the car runs on batteries only.
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Hybrid describes a power train, not battery size or status granted by it. Hybrid electric vehicles are pretty much all build on the same old Toyota patent that expired a while ago, where you have a planetary differential, with MG1 hooked to the sun, planets are free rotating with their axes hooked to the ICE and outer ring being connected to the wheels and MG2. Essentially the ICE sits between the two electric motor-generators that regulate its RPM related to the output. It's a simple, efficient and elegant
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A hybrid has both an electric motor and an ICE engine. Whether the ICE engine can drive the wheels mechanically doesn't matter - it's still a hybrid vehicle.
Hybrids combine the worst of both worlds - all the maintenance involved with an ICE vehicle (more in fact), added complexity, and adding the weight of a battery as well.
Oh, and not every mechanic can work on a hybrid - they need special training to handle the electrical danger as well. So said mechanic of course costs more in the end because of the trai
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Hybrids combine the worst of both worlds - all the maintenance involved with an ICE vehicle (more in fact), added complexity, and adding the weight of a battery as well.
It's usually a relatively small/light battery, though. There's no need to carry around a big, heavy battery when having a gas engine makes range anxiety a non-issue.
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Hybrids combine the worst of both worlds - all the maintenance involved with an ICE vehicle (more in fact), added complexity, and adding the weight of a battery as well.
But with this you get the best of both worlds: they run with the efficiency and lower emissions of an electric vehicle, but give you the range of a ICE vehicle as well as the lighter weight of an ICE vehicle (lighter than an EV because without the requirement for the long range, the battery is lightweight).
Since the average driving distance of a vehicle in the US is 37 miles per day (cite [caranddriver.com]), 90% of the time you don't need that 350 mile range for anything other than to avoid range anxiety.
It's usually a relatively small/light battery, though. There's no need to carry around a big, heavy battery when having a gas engine makes range anxiety a non-issue.
Exactly.
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That is a misleading stat on average miles per day.
No, actually it isn't. Statistics on the average trip shows pretty much the same result.
You really do tend to estimate how much cars are primarily used for just running around town.
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Oil lasts longer when it doesn't get hot though... you just need it to get hot enough on occasion to drive any water out.
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Hybrid vehicle engines suffer from low duty cycles. Lots of cold starts and short runs.
They just don't last very long.
Hybrids are the worst of both worlds. High maintenance expenses. Low efficiency. Pollution. Short EV range.
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They just don't last very long.
I'll bet that 20 years from now poor people who can't afford a new battery for their 20 year old hybrid will still be driving them perfectly fine on the combustion engine alone.
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I have a Toyota hybrid, due to the way it works, it wouldn't do well without the battery. It uses the hybrid system to act as the transmission.
On the other hand, it can still do that at like 10% battery capacity remaining.
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I own a HEV.
Short runs, maybe, but I'd argue that my engine (Toyota) is properly set up for that duty cycle. The starts are not cold though. It has a motor on the engine that is about an order of magnitude more powerful than a traditional starter.
And once an engine warms up, it still takes over an hour to cool down.
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Most just enables them to boost the city MPGs.
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TFS provides a breakdown. 1.3 million pure EVs. 1.9 million hybrids. The later is misleading, as they include both plug-in hybrids and those that can't be plugged in. The PHEV total should be separate from HEV.
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What's not misleading are the numbers on the EV sales. 1.3M in 2024 vs 1.22M in 2023. Quite the contrast with the headline/TFS about "electrified vehicles "increasing" to 20%.
As for this "electrified vehicle" thing, it is just hilarious. Every teslarati would have sworn until yesterday that a hybrid is "the worst of both worlds" and a "fossil car", and yet, suddenly...
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I am not a Teslarati. Personally think HEVs are fine if one has no place to charge at home or work.
A PHEV with sufficient electric range should work for everybody. I love my 2015 Volt. But it's not longer on the market. And the PHEVs that remain mostly have too low of an EV range.
Obviously, an EV will not work in all situations.
My guess is the vast majority of those 1.9 million hybrids are HEVs and not PHEVs.
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A PHEV with sufficient electric range should work for everybody. I love my 2015 Volt. But it's not longer on the market. And the PHEVs that remain mostly have too low of an EV range.
Why do you say that? The whole point of a plug-in hybrid is that most of the time you don't need long range, and therefore don't want to pay for the big battery. It really needs to be emphasized that the vast majority of the time, cars are used for short trips.
Yes, if you have a 50 mile commute to work each day, you need a longer range. But most people don't.
... My guess is the vast majority of those 1.9 million hybrids are HEVs and not PHEVs.
Unfortunately, I think you're right.
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https://caredge.com/guides/ele... [caredge.com]
So, most 'EV's are not BEV ('pure' EV's), but 8.5% to 10% is fairly close. Closer than I would have guessed. Toyota is at 45% of their vehicles being some sort of EV and I'm sure most of theirs are oldskool Hybrid.
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"At the end of the day, in this economy, few have the income to afford new cars"
Well, the statistic was "of new cars sales," so it's only looking at the purchasing behavior of those who can afford new cars. Or technically, those who purchase new cars, whether they can afford them or not.
The anti-EV FUD on the right and the anti-Elon sentiment on the left are both hurting EV sales, with the US lagging behind most other developed countries now.
And while many people complain that plug-in hybrids are so often
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The anti-EV FUD on the right and the anti-Elon sentiment on the left are both hurting EV sales, with the US lagging behind most other developed countries now.
We're lagging behind because the US decided to slap massive tariffs on Chinese EVs, and not everyone can afford or even wants a Tesla. I test drove a Model 3 with my partner a bit over a year ago and really wasn't all that impressed with it.
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Also, America is 'profit first' more than any other place in the world. So this means charging infrastructure will lag behind the actual needs of people far more than anywhere else. It will certainly never be ahead of the needs of the people like in Norway.
All comes down to who decides what other people "need". Letting people decide for themselves has a value.
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That's the current narrative. EV sales are stagnating at low adoption rates, but narrative of "green transition is totally on course, honest" has to go on, because if it loses momentum it will also stop granting status. And that will actually lead to narrative's collapse.
So this cannot be allowed. If needed, propaganda class will include modern ICEs in the transition eventually with excuses like "but they pollute less than older cars" if people decide to go back to them.
This week electric sales are good (Score:1)
Next week media will spin some new numbers and say the sky is falling.
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Next week media will spin some new numbers and say the sky is falling.
Next week Trump will be in office and the Trump transition team plans sweeping rollback of Biden EV, emissions policies [reuters.com] so that part of sky might actually start falling ...
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Rather hilariously, that article includes the oft-mentioned Musk quote about how he believes the ending of the tax credit will hurt Tesla's competitors more than Tesla. I wasn't aware that Tesla had any ICE models to fall back on like its competition does, but maybe Musk has just been waiting for the right moment to reveal his new V8-powered Cybertruck.
From where I sit, it just looks like a case of sucking dick to own the libs, because there's no good reason to be a cheerleader for the interests of the pet
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Didn't Tesla hit some threshold where its cars no longer qualify for tax credits or something?
Re: This week electric sales are good (Score:4, Informative)
Didn't Tesla hit some threshold where its cars no longer qualify for tax credits or something?
That was the previous EV tax credit. The current one restored Tesla's eligibility based on certain battery sourcing criteria, which IIRC, only the base version of the Model 3 does not presently meet. The new Tesla vehicles which qualify for the tax credit are:
Cybertruck Dual Motor
Cybertruck Single Motor
Model 3 Long Range All-Wheel Drive
Model 3 Long Range Rear-Wheel Drive
Model 3 Performance
Model X All-Wheel Drive
Model Y Long Range All-Wheel Drive
Model Y Long Range Rear-Wheel Drive
Model Y Performance
The list of qualifying EVs is available on fueleconomy.gov [fueleconomy.gov] I wouldn't count on this information being available for long once the new administration starts going on another of their famous page deleting sprees.
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Rather hilariously, that article includes the oft-mentioned Musk quote about how he believes the ending of the tax credit will hurt Tesla's competitors more than Tesla. I wasn't aware that Tesla had any ICE models to fall back on like its competition does, but maybe Musk has just been waiting for the right moment to reveal his new V8-powered Cybertruck.
From where I sit, it just looks like a case of sucking dick to own the libs, because there's no good reason to be a cheerleader for the interests of the petroleum and ICE manufacturing industries when you also happen to be the owner of an exclusively electric auto manufacturer.
I think it's more nuanced than that.
Tesla is - sort of - a mature company with a stable market. They're the most recognized brand in BEV. Everyone else is either basically a start-up like Rivian, or in a transition phase where they've dumped huge, huge investments in R&D and factory tooling to produce some EVs. Folks like Ford and GM and Stelantis were projecting a certain curve of uptake on their new EV offerings, and the costing on their expenses to get into the EV market were predicated on that curve. A flattening of that curve may make the entire EV transition a failure for them because uptake may not hit sustainable profit levels soon enough. That's when the sunken cost fallacy comes up; do they abandon the market and cut their losses or do they keep holding out until the curve reaches break-even?
For Tesla, reduced sales just means reduced profits, and maybe laying off a shift or something relatively minor. They've already paid for the R&D and tooling and are into the profit phase. So yeah, Musk will be perfectly fine with watching his competitors that are finally catching up just... burn. It's like the guy who started running a race minutes before everyone else, but they're about to overtake, only... ooops, wolves are eating racers closer to the starting line.
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Incidentally, this is precisely how the "three big" saw things in the 1980s, when they pushed for measures to make US car market less accessible to foreign brands.
A decade later this resulted in the near collapse of the US automobile industry, something it didn't recover from.
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Ironically though, the traditional dealership model that legacy automakers have clung to actually puts them in a better position to weather the loss of tax credits, compared against Tesla's direct sales. There's plenty of sleazy sales tactics to claw some of that $7,500 back, such as undervaluing trade-ins and pushing high margin dealer add-ons (paint/fabric protection treatments, extended warranties, dealer-installed options, etc.).
There's a global market for EVs, so the loss of federal EV tax credits is
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It’s even more complicated than that. You’ve described an exclusively US market perspective. But many OEMs operate in multiple markets, and just because the regulatory environment in the US market is hardening against EVs doesn’t mean that the regulatory environment in the EU or China is also hardening. Hyundai and Kia aren’t merely doing quite well in the US with EVs, they’re doing well globally. So is BMW. US OEMs are struggling in international markets, by comparison, and th
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So yeah, Musk will be perfectly fine with watching his competitors that are finally catching up just... burn. It's like the guy who started running a race minutes before everyone else, but they're about to overtake, only... ooops, wolves are eating racers closer to the starting line.
Yep. And if Tesla can launch their Model 2 (or whatever they call it), getting a decent-range EV for a non-luxury price into the market, a vehicle that will be far cheaper to buy & operate than a comparable ICEV just at the time the traditional automakers are having to pull back from their EV plans, Tesla will dominate not just EV sales but small passenger car sales. Chinese companies might be able to compete, but Trump will make sure they're subject to tariffs that make it impossible.
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Yep. And if Tesla can launch their Model 2 (or whatever they call it)
Tesla gave up on the affordable EV concept in favor of their autonomous fleet vehicles. They're betting on a "you'll own nothing and be happy" future for the folks who can't afford at least a Model 3.
Meanwhile, Chevy is bringing back the Bolt sometime around Q4 this year, tax credits be damned.
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You missed his entire point, it's just "musk bad, m'kay?"
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You missed his entire point, it's just "musk bad, m'kay?"
You know that can be true as well, right?
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their tech platform is over 5 years old now. They're going to be facing competitors with much newer tech and better manufacturing processes more and more.
And you think Telsa is just coasting along, not doing any more research or trying to improve processes?
That's just a matter of fact (Score:1)
Remember Tesla wasn't profitable until very very very recently. They made all their money off of a carbon credit swap scam run by the US government.
That scam ended so they switched to direct subsidies. Those subsidies are about 7500 per car and paid at the poin
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Musk is an undoubted dick, but it’s frankly stupid to denigrate what Tesla achieved. You only have to watch a Munro teardown video to understand that for several years, Tesla really did have a commanding lead over all Western OEMs. Things like its magnet packaging, wiring harnesses etc were just lighter and smaller than everyone else. I’m sure they drew on public research, just like other OEMs, but they undoubtedly did a ton of work themselves.
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They haven't done any development. What they did was is poach some tech from public universities and a couple of engineers built a car. They then poached more tech from public universities while sucking down massive massive government subsidies.
How about you give us a source for the statement that they "poached tech" from public universities. Because until you do I'm calling bull crap on this statement. My search came up with the exact opposite, things like “Royalty-Free Licensing and Firm Innovation: The Good Faith of Tesla”, from Cambridge. Think I saw 3500 patents filed, 2500 active, 1300 granted. You ain't doing that with just a "few engineers".
Remember Tesla wasn't profitable until very very very recently.
That's because they were dumping all of their money into building out factories.
They made all their money off of a carbon credit swap scam run by the US government.
Are
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The only reason why I'm not buying a pure EV is because Texas's power grid isn't exactly something to take for granted, so having the ability to have gas (and a few gas cans properly stored) is a big deal, especially if there is some form of evacuation. EVs are nice overall, as they don't waste that much energy when stopped in urban areas, are quick (don't need fast when the max speed it often 60-70 mph), and have a short braking distance. Low end torque is nice as well.
It will be interesting seeing axial
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Wouldn't an axial motor have a detrimental effect on turning due to rotational inertia?
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CARB states account for 45% of EV sales, and California alone for 35%. There has been talking of increasing state subsidies for EVs in CA if the federal ones go away.
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It's amazing how screwed America is. The rest of the world is going up pull further ahead with EV tech, Trump is going to put tariffs on you, and climate change disasters are going to get worse with him both denying the cause and botching the response.
Four years is a lot of finding out.
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"The rest of the world is going up pull further ahead with EV tech..."
The Third Triumvirate will be transactional, as were the First and Second. If Elon applies his tongue well, Trump may come around.
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I had no idea when I saw it for the first time that "Idiocracy" was a documentary about America. It took a while, but I think the South can now say they finally won the Civil War.
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I find it amusing that the best way to get modded down on Slashdot is to say something accurate about the impending fall of the American Empire. I don't think I've ever seen people better at building their own cages, then shouting through the bars about how free they are.
Classic MAGA theater... (Score:2)
Next week media will spin some new numbers and say the sky is falling.
Next week Trump will be in office and the Trump transition team plans sweeping rollback of Biden EV, emissions policies [reuters.com] so that part of sky might actually start falling ...
You are right, but I wouldn't sweat it too much. :)
This is classic MAGA theater—political pandering aimed squarely at energizing the base, even if it means ignoring the long-term consequences for the country, the economy, and the environment. It's a performative rejection of "green energy" initiatives simply because they are associated with the previous administration. It signals to the base that they are standing against "woke" policies, but little else.
Fortunately, the world is a larger place than
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I don't know if they will, but the republican congress, courts, and president could get together to rescind California's ability to set their own standards above the US EPA's.
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Only if you're too dense to understand what is being talked about. Electric vehicle sales aren't good. They've suffered a reduction in their projected trend. PHEV on the other hand have always been good.
Learn the difference and you'll find news has been quite consistent throughout the past year.
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The stats are always complicated enough that people can tell themselves what they want to hear. UK motoring journalists are always banging on about the UK EV market’s growth only being the result of corporate purchases by fleet buyers, and that the private market has collapsed. It’s bollocks. Those “corporate purchases” are largely individual consumer purchases that are taking advantage of the last remaining tax purchase incentive in the UK, lower taxation than ICE for company car pu
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If you are recalling the same news I'm recalling then the distinction is that this is a rise in all EV sales while the news from three months ago was about declining sales of BEVs. If I'm recalling correctly then there's no contradiction here, PHEV sales are up which is more than making up for the decline in BEV sales.
If I'm wrong then I'd like to see these reports from months ago, and I believe others that are reading these comments would find it interesting also. I believe the PHEV has so many advantage
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The share of electric and hybrid vehicle sales in the United States increased again in the third quarter of 2024 (3Q24), reaching a record
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This increase in the electric and hybrid vehicle market share was driven primarily by BEV sales.
BEV sales are up. .
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You stated that three months ago the sales of BEVs were declining then you point to an article on how in the last three months sales were increasing. I'm still not seeing a contradiction here. It's still possible that BEV sales were declining in Q3 2024 but then saw an increase in Q4 2024. The charts in the website you cited doesn't have all that great of resolution on when there was a decline in sales but it looks to me like there was a noticeable decline about three months ago, then recovered in Novemb
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I doubt I suggested that BEV sales were generally declining as it's not a position I hold, nor is it supported by the evidence, except a short term reduction in Germany when the subsidy structure was changed. If you want to find an exact quote, go ahead. I'm happy to admit I am in error if I am, as demonstrated several times here.
I see you haven't really admitted BEV sales are increasing . That doesn't really surprise me
I don't see the BEV gaining any real traction as a primary vehicle any time soon for a variety of reasons.
Well, you seem to be enthusiastic about boondoggles like fantasy liquid fuels via nuclea
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I see you haven't really admitted BEV sales are increasing . That doesn't really surprise me
What are you talking about? I absolutely admitted to increasing BEV sales, it's quite apparent in the link you provided.
Where I'm skeptical is if this is a trend that will continue. Given the data provided it looks to me like PHEV sales will overshadow BEV sales in the near future. Maybe I read too much into the data but there's a fine line between HEV and PHEV, and that's the inclusion of a NACS power inlet/outlet. What does that cost when economy of scale sets in on making the parts? My guess is the
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When I admit to being in error I tend to do so briefly without lots of flimflam
I think your analysis on BEVs is incorrect for most locations as they are pushing strongly for BEV not HEV. Maybe the USA will be a hold out, but I don't think that's especially likely. There has certainly been a change in the second derivative of sales in the USA, but then there seems to have been a change in auto sales overall, most likely due to the spike in inflation a couple of years ago. I expect that a large part of short
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I'm in the UK and the infrastructure issues here are different....
The infrastructure challenges between the UK and USA are undoubtedly different.
If my web searches are correct the longest drive anyone could expect in the UK, excluding driving in loops or such, is something like 840 miles. My web search also tells me that's about 15 hours of driving if one were to not stop and adhere to all speed limits. That tells me that for anyone in the UK they could expect to leave in the morning for a driving trip and reach their destination on the island with no more than a single
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Does that explain why I'd believe the PHEV will win out over the BEV
No, because 250 miles is within the range of a BEV. If you are shopping, you stop. You charge. No PHEV necessary, provided the infrastructure is there. Only before that point might an PHEV offer an advantage. Unless people in the USA routinely drive 4 hours, shop for fifteen minutes then return. If so, you'll be able to provide statistics, right?
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$7500 tax credit for buying an EV? (Score:1)
It seems amazing to me that there's a $7500 tax credit for buying an EV. Unless I'm missing something a tax credit means that the IRS will take up to $7500 off your tax bill if you buy an EV that year. That means people won't get that top end of the credit unless they have enough income per year that could create a tax owed of over $7500. What kind of income creates that? By my estimation it's above average, especially given that there's all kinds of other tax credits people can qualify for by things li
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Where did you get the idea it's a tax credit and not a direct subsidy?
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Wow! Interesting knowledge!